Gas & Oil

[PuntMeister]

Why the fuk are we reliant on getting gasoline from the USA, when we have all the oil we need in Canada? Why are we slaves to US / Washington refinery burps in production, global oil prices, etc.

oh woops, we are all supposed to be driving EV’s, so who cares, right?

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

Why the fuk are we reliant on getting gasoline from the USA, when we have all the oil we need in Canada? Why are we slaves to US / Washington refinery burps in production, global oil prices, etc.

oh woops, we are all supposed to be driving EV’s, so who cares, right?

We need new refineries on the west coast or Alberta to export Canadian refined products to the globe not raw product and buy it back, problem is it’s cheaper to ship it and buy it back.🤦🏻‍♂️

 

[Pumped]

Why the fuk are we reliant on getting gasoline from the USA, when we have all the oil we need in Canada? Why are we slaves to US / Washington refinery burps in production, global oil prices, etc.

oh woops, we are all supposed to be driving EV’s, so who cares, right?

Simple answer: refineries. They are expensive and the tar sands require a specific type of refinery to make usable oil and gas products.

Cost -- about a billion dollars or more to build one. Time line is about 5 years or more.

The fact -- and this is one that traitorous bitch Danielle Smith ignores -- is that even the oil companies no longer want to invest in oil production and pipelines. Particularly not in the tar sands which require more processing just to move it than other forms of oil. These companies want to pump, dump and run and leave Canadian taxpayers (except those in Alberta, of course) to clean up the enviromental mess and old drill sites. This is billions and billions of dollars the oil companies are not spending so we (all Canadians, not Albertans of course) will have to clean up the mess.

And, BTW, the system actually works. We pump oil to the US, they refine it, and everyone benefits in some way on it.

The bullshit ramblings out of the morons in Alberta about 'energy self-sufficiency' is a total crock of shit. Same with the transfer payments bullshit. The amount of money Ottawa spent to get them a pipeline to the Pacific way balances out the transfer payments they've made.

 

[80watts]

Simple answer: refineries. They are expensive and the tar sands require a specific type of refinery to make usable oil and gas products.

Cost -- about a billion dollars or more to build one. Time line is about 5 years or more.

The fact -- and this is one that traitorous bitch Danielle Smith ignores -- is that even the oil companies no longer want to invest in oil production and pipelines. Particularly not in the tar sands which require more processing just to move it than other forms of oil. These companies want to pump, dump and run and leave Canadian taxpayers (except those in Alberta, of course) to clean up the enviromental mess and old drill sites. This is billions and billions of dollars the oil companies are not spending so we (all Canadians, not Albertans of course) will have to clean up the mess.

And, BTW, the system actually works. We pump oil to the US, they refine it, and everyone benefits in some way on it.

The bullshit ramblings out of the morons in Alberta about 'energy self-sufficiency' is a total crock of shit. Same with the transfer payments bullshit. The amount of money Ottawa spent to get them a pipeline to the Pacific way balances out the transfer payments they've made.

5 years to build a refinery that will last 70 years, sounds like it is about time we did it. It is an investment.

Also the by products of that heavy oil will be plastic production. We can have cheaper plastics for acrylics, carbon production for carbon fibre products etc.

Pretty sure our environmental laws do make companies pay for cleanup and we will make managers and stockholders responsible for their companies breaking environmental laws. Bonds for all types of mining and manufacturing plants.

Too many people are stuck in the get rich ASAP scam ...... only few make it, but leaves the working poor to live with the problems they leave behind.
Our time on earth we should be looking for long term investment in Canadians and our environment.

The problem is that mining/mineral companies depend on cheap taxes, to make maximun profit. Where it should be the other way around, max taxes for long term stability of Canadians and the environment.

 

[80watts]

In Victoria, the city decided to build bike lanes, nice idea, but now no one from the outlying communities want to drive downtown. As parking is at a premium and now no new parkcades have been built in years. The city answer is to take the bus. To get down town from sooke it takes like an 1.2 hours. Bus scheduling is bad. So small companies close up and move elsewhere. Just tourist shops are downtown now.
The idea behind bike lanes was to reduce cars in downtown. So they increased the parking problem and built useless bike lanes (taking out parking places for cars) for woke over-voiced idiots. Increased the hourly rate for parking.
IN ESSENSE they killed downtown economy.... Cause nobody wants to drive there anymore. Parking being the main issue... They increase the time of parking from 8 to 6pm to 8 to 8 pm. Killing off the supper eating crowd....

You want to invite people to visit, you make it easier on their pocketbooks....

The provincial government is in the same boat. During covid they cause the restaurants to pay min wage to servers. This caused many resturants/pub to increase prices and owners made less profits. Tips went down.

A great waitress could make 70-90,000 a year with tips.... not now.

About 20% of pubs/restuarants closed their doors. Not from Covid, but the new min wage for servers....cause the owners wouldn't make as much money.

The problem is that someone wanted to change something for the better and killed off what was working.

Now with the woke environmental shit laws, the economy is bust without oil production and steel production.... Canada has lots of minerals, metals, and oil, but we Do not manufacture the mineral, metals, or oil into useful products for consumers.

It should be that all our minerals, metals and oil should are be process here in Canada at around 80%, the other we can sell to the world. We should also tax the mineral wealth of Canada as it comes out of the ground and use the resulting money in a future trust fund for future Canadians.

We are such a now type of people, that we barely plan for the future....

 

[Pumped]

Pretty sure our environmental laws do make companies pay for cleanup and we will make managers and stockholders responsible for their companies breaking environmental laws. Bonds for all types of mining and manufacturing plants.

Oil companies set up numbered companies and sell the old well to that entity. Since the entity only has an old well as an asset there's nothing that the government can do about getting that new owner to do to clean up the mess.

Sue them? For what -- an old oil well?

Unless the laws are drastically changed to make the parent company responsible for their old wells, it's going to be tax payers who will pay, pay, pay and still Danny douchebag Smith will still say Alberta is getting screwed on transfer payments etc.

 

[80watts]

Oil companies set up numbered companies and sell the old well to that entity. Since the entity only has an old well as an asset there's nothing that the government can do about getting that new owner to do to clean up the mess.

Sue them? For what -- an old oil well?

Unless the laws are drastically changed to make the parent company responsible for their old wells, it's going to be tax payers who will pay, pay, pay and still Danny douchebag Smith will still say Alberta is getting screwed on transfer payments etc.

Well maybe do some legislative work and ban numbered companies. There has to be a human person to contact. Otherwise AI will take over the scam business.

 

[80watts]

Oil companies set up numbered companies and sell the old well to that entity. Since the entity only has an old well as an asset there's nothing that the government can do about getting that new owner to do to clean up the mess.

Sue them? For what -- an old oil well?

Unless the laws are drastically changed to make the parent company responsible for their old wells, it's going to be tax payers who will pay, pay, pay and still Danny douchebag Smith will still say Alberta is getting screwed on transfer payments etc.

Recently saw Alberta passed 5 million people. BC has 5.6 million. With both provinces that is 25 % of the population in Canada. Still yeah, Alberta gets beaten hard with the transfer payment.
We can all end the tranfer payments tomorrow, if you want Quebec speaking people in your town. Newfies and Nova Scotians are a fun bunch.

Open up NWT and Nunavat for energy and oil. Need to build roads over the thawing permafrost.

 

[licks2nite]

NWT the land of the ice roads.

 

[carvesg]

Simple answer: refineries. They are expensive and the tar sands require a specific type of refinery to make usable oil and gas products.

Cost -- about a billion dollars or more to build one. Time line is about 5 years or more.

The fact -- and this is one that traitorous bitch Danielle Smith ignores -- is that even the oil companies no longer want to invest in oil production and pipelines. Particularly not in the tar sands which require more processing just to move it than other forms of oil. These companies want to pump, dump and run and leave Canadian taxpayers (except those in Alberta, of course) to clean up the enviromental mess and old drill sites. This is billions and billions of dollars the oil companies are not spending so we (all Canadians, not Albertans of course) will have to clean up the mess.

And, BTW, the system actually works. We pump oil to the US, they refine it, and everyone benefits in some way on it.

The bullshit ramblings out of the morons in Alberta about 'energy self-sufficiency' is a total crock of shit. Same with the transfer payments bullshit. The amount of money Ottawa spent to get them a pipeline to the Pacific way balances out the transfer payments they've made.

Bang on !
Subsidies is on a yearly average is 24 billions excluding the remediation that will be needed before long .

Alberta might not get federal money invested in manufacturing and infrastructure that other provinces get but they get more than their fare share everywhere else. They tally one way and we tally globally knowing the upcoming environmental tab will have to be added soon .

 

[Shyguy6969]

It's crazy what Trudeau did to our country. We could be self reliant if it wasn't for him.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

It's crazy what Trudeau did to our country. We could be self reliant if it wasn't for him.

It goes back to Diefenbaker and the canceled Avro Arrow. Probably beyond that, but yea Trudeau Sr and Jr just held the status Liberal quo.

 

[Forum mod]

Ok this should move to the Canada Politics thread, it's more than one PM mentioned already.