Full Service

[blakealridge]

I’ve had several inquiries about my “non-FS rate” or “partial service rate”. In my opinion, if we’re naked and fooling around, it’s sex. In fact, I feel it may be discriminatory (towards gay people, people with erectile issues, etc) to implicate there’s any difference.

What do you think?

 

[Shanghai]

For some, that's guy code for "what's your test drive rate." So, if a well-reviewed hot provider has a $200 "cuddle" rate where just FS is off the menu but everything else goes, and a $300 rate that includes FS, that is preferable to possibly wasting $200 on a non-reviewed "hot" looking girl.

If there is no connection, then there is less for a guy to lose.
If there IS a connection, then there is that option either "upgrade" on the spot, and/or return.

 

[cruefan]

I think the rate should all be the same as the lady is still providing an overall service even if sex is included or not that still takes the exact same amount of time.

It gets a little confusing when there are so many different rates for either massage, non full service, girl friend experience, porn star experience and any other possible upsells.

When I book it is always going to be for full service.

 

[angry anderson]

I’ve had several inquiries about my “non-FS rate” or “partial service rate”. In my opinion, if we’re naked and fooling around, it’s sex. In fact, I feel it may be discriminatory (towards gay people, people with erectile issues, etc) to implicate there’s any difference.

What do you think?

so how much do you charge gay people with erectile issues? just asking for a friend....

 

[blakealridge]

I started offering the NFS rate because there are so many out there with erectile issues and sometimes I don't feel like doing fs but still wanna play... Also the market standard for nfs massage is not the same as fs rates, from what I can see anyways... I didn't feel comfortable charging full rate for what I consider a different service, I don't think I would call that discriminatory... Different people have different kinds of sex. I think there is an element of privilege differences in this, as well.

Some providers charge more for different things, ie, greek, bbbj, outcall, pse, etc...So having different prices for different things feels ok to me... But if you want to have one set blanket rate and you have the ability to maintain your client list, thats cool too (and not possible for everyone).

But perhaps some other folks can weigh in.

I should have been clear that I’m not talking about providers who advertise NFS. I’m talking about guys who ask FS providers to do a NFS rate. ?

 

[GeeBeeP]

I agree that if you're naked and fooling around, it's sex. You are providing your time, companionship, emotional effort, and quite frankly your body, regardless of what your client desires or is capable of. You should be compensated at whatever rate you decide. Sex work is work, and I'm guessing you put no less effort into a "non-FS" date than you would to any other.

 

[MissingOne]

I don't indulge in full service, ever. I'm strictly R&T. On PERB I don't even bother to look at the ads or reviews in the escort sections. I only look at ads or reviews in the massage sections of PERB or other sites. If an FS provider also advertises in the massage section, great - if she seems to offer the kind of service I like I might see her, for R&T only. I will look at her rate in the context of other rates advertised by massage providers. If the rate she is advertising for R&T service happens to be the same as she would charge for full service, that's OK by me, as long as it's a rate I'm willing to pay.

If a provider doesn't advertise in the massage sections, then I assume she's not interested in offering that type of service, and I don't bother her with inquiries about a service level she doesn't advertise.

 

[Sophia Fae YVR]

I should have been clear that I’m not talking about providers who advertise NFS. I’m talking about guys who ask FS providers to do a NFS rate. ?

That makes more sense, thanks for clarifying.. I was second guessing myself if I was doing something wrong by offering NFS rates haha

 

[chico1]

I should have been clear that I’m not talking about providers who advertise NFS. I’m talking about guys who ask FS providers to do a NFS rate. ?

I agree with this even though I didn't vote that way actually, since I was thinking MPs and NFS providers vs FS providers.

FS providers should just state their rate and that is it. What the customer do with the time is up to them.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

I agree with all of the above. But as a FYI, what DO you do with gay people with erectile issues?

Adding my 2bits here, and in my opinion, if an appointment is made with a FS provider, you are contracting time and companionship and the bandwidth goes up to FS with whatever restrictions are in play. If the pooner chooses to only play with a part of the offered bandwidth, that is not his place to try to negotiate.

So buck up buckaroo, and if the wild thing is there for you, hell dive in and enjoy! But if you aren't up to it, enjoy what is presented to you.

 

[take8easy]

This is purely from my (selfish) point of view. As I am getting older, I feel FS is getting harder (or should I say softer) to do.

So, I like the idea of non-FS service with lower fees. I had a lot of fun with Ms Beatrice. Essentially, it was a make out session with everything but bj and penetration.

I would love to have that kind of service without FS and for lower price tag (SP's, please pm me if you have similar services).

 

[take8easy]

I started offering the NFS rate because there are so many out there with erectile issues and sometimes I don't feel like doing fs but still wanna play... Also the market standard for nfs massage is not the same as fs rates, from what I can see anyways... I didn't feel comfortable charging full rate for what I consider a different service, I don't think I would call that discriminatory... Different people have different kinds of sex. I think there is an element of privilege differences in this, as well.

Some providers charge more for different things, ie, greek, bbbj, outcall, pse, etc...So having different prices for different things feels ok to me... But if you want to have one set blanket rate and you have the ability to maintain your client list, thats cool too (and not possible for everyone).

But perhaps some other folks can weigh in.

Do you know that that link there doesn't work? https://sweet.sophia.massages.wixsite.com/home

but this one does https://sweetsophiamassages.wixsite.com/home

 

[Number17]

I’ve had several inquiries about my “non-FS rate” or “partial service rate”. In my opinion, if we’re naked and fooling around, it’s sex. In fact, I feel it may be discriminatory (towards gay people, people with erectile issues, etc) to implicate there’s any difference.

What do you think?

Where do we draw the line? If you consider a non-FS rate, will you also consider an a la carte menu?
I'm good with CBJ, can you give me $40 off?
I'm good with no kissing, another $20 off?
...
(kidding)

I can see why some clients would request a non-FS rate but I can also see why some SPs just want to charge a flat fee. The client has the right to ask and the SP has the right to refuse. Depending on how the inquiry was asked and the client/SP relationship, the client could potentially get on the blocked list.

 

[blakealridge]

I agree with all of the above. But as a FYI, what DO you do with gay people with erectile issues?

Blowjobs can still feel good on a penis that isn’t erect! Also there are fingers, mouths, tongues, strap ons...the possibilities are endless!!!

 

[Equity Market investor]

Since I love " fantasy scenarios", I've had non-full service sessions that have had only a BJ / tease n denial on me. I was seated when I had that happen and actually, I've had that type of session quite a few times in past. Mind you, almost 100% of those session were in a Asian indy incall. Anyway, for me, that type of session is perfect for budget reasons at times or just for gaining confidence etc.

One thing though.....never had that with 2 ladies. That's a goal for me one day.

 

[Sophia Fae YVR]

Do you know that that link there doesn't work? https://sweet.sophia.massages.wixsite.com/home

but this one does https://sweetsophiamassages.wixsite.com/home

Oh shoot! Thanks for the heads! I will change that pronto ?

 

[MRGREEN]

Been in the game for a long long time............. never been a f/s player but do enjoy an interactive session. I do expect to pay for time vs services offered. A few times after an initial session and an arrangement has been worked out that is mutually satisfying to both parties (often a chemistry thing) I never attempt to "negotiate" a rate based on no f/s. Though I do look to half hour sessions and rates for this reason.

Peace MG

 

[VinVan]

In the grand scheme of how the industry works and is priced in Vancouver, it does not seem unusual for an inquiry about "HS" rates to a FS provider. The pricing hierarchy in Vancouver looks something like this (highest price at the top):

1. Bespoke FS independent providers.
2. High-end agencies offering FS in nice condos.
3. Reputable FS providers.
4. Mid-range agencies providing FS.
5. MPs providing FS with up-charges for add ons (BBBJ, CIM etc)
6. AMPs providing FS, with up charges for all manner of things.
7. MPs providing HE with up charges for topless, bottomless.
8. MPs who only go topless.
9. MPs fully clothed.
10. Massage only.

I'm sure I missed a few categories in there, but the pricing is all based on levels of service which roughly translates from clothed HJs to FS - the more acronyms, generally speaking, the higher the price. Plus there are so many shops that have up-charges for every item on the menu. The implied message in all of this pricing is that there is a dollar value to the services provided, not just the time.

I'm not really a FS guy and I've occasionally seen a reputable Indie advertise HS at a different rate. In cases in which I have been curious about the provider I have tried her out, to both of our satisfaction. In one instance, a well-reviewed provider advertised a HS rate during her period, so nothing below the waist – I thought it was very clever on her part to keep working when others would choose to take a break. I never initiate the conversation on pricing, but I can see how someone might based upon the implied messages on pricing in the Vancouver market.

 

[cruefan]

A FS encounter versus a massage with HE are two entirely different experiences and should have different price points. Going to see a FS provider and electing not to partake in FS should not excuse you from paying her FS rate. If she wants to offer a lower price point if FS isn't included, that's her business and it might be good business to expand the client base. Cuddle sessions is another topic, if you want only a cuddle, choose accordingly. Don't book a full service provider and expect a discount because you only want to cuddle. Be upfront about it, and if she agrees, great, if not, move on. There's lots of cuddle-only ladies out there to find.

I agree that clients that go to a massage parlor for a rub down/rub n tug and the clients that are going to see a full service escort at her incall that those are in two different categories.

I think that clients that go to see a full service escort and are expecting to get a reduced rate for non full service are being delusional.

 

[blakealridge]

I agree that clients that go to a massage parlor for a rub down/rub n tug and the clients that are going to see a full service escort at her incall that those are in two different categories.

I think that clients that go to see a full service escort and are expecting to get a reduced rate for non full service are being delusional.

yes! Thank you, this is what I was getting at lol