Freeloaders

[vancity_cowboy]

So when they arrive here, where SHOULD they go man? Are we supposed to let them starve? Let them sleep on the streets? Do you really think it was some cakewalk to board a boat, starve and end up in Canada 10,000 kms from anything they understand THEN try to make it here? How ironic, huh, so many of you mutherfuckers out here hiring a SP to "get the pussy you can't get at home" then so offended that someone might try to find a life here to "get the life they can't get at home".

For every gangster/thug/punk that lands on the shores of Canada there is another 100 people that just come here to find a better life. They clean your toilets. They wash the dishes. They do the grunt work to make your 1 million dollar condo look great. You're going to judge them all because of a small minority? So let me ass ask you this. I have a crackhouse out back of my condo. All of the people in there are white. Guess MY ass should judge the "white" race from what I see out back.

i'm all for immigration. my grandfathers on both sides were immigrants. one of them started out working for the CPR blasting rock cuts - he was the one holding the drill steel while a really tough (immigrant) fucker swung the 16 pound hammer at the steel to drill the blast holes in the rock face. 40 years later he retired as the general manager for that division.

however, there are two ways to immigrate - the right way and the wrong way.

the right way is you get sponsored by your prospective employer, fill out the visa forms, pay your fees, stand in the line-ups, book a passage with a recognized carrier, put in your time working on your work visa until you get your landed immigrant status then apply for citizenship. people who do it this way are demonstrating RESPECT FOR THE RULE OF LAW!

the wrong way is you hire passage on what is supposed to be a cargo freighter and you try to sneak in. if that freighter gets detected as carrying illegal immigrants and boarded, then you claim you are a refugee and you skip all the regular rules and jump straight to the head of the line. people who do it this way are demonstrating DISDAIN FOR THE RULE OF LAW!

and dood, given your recent troubles near your home you should be all for RESPECT for the rule of law. not one of the adults on that boat have any respect for the rule of canadian laws regarding immigration. i don't care how hard they are willing to work here, they will never respect our laws; however, there are millions out there who would respect our laws but they are being displaced by the line-jumpers

 

[HeMadeMeDoIt]

Cool, I found all the stupid people on one thread (exceptions Bijou and dood).

Disagreeing with you does not make us stupid, however you calling people who are probably ten times smarter than you stupid is ignorant!

Each of these "refugees" will end up costing the taxpayer approx. $50,000 to process their claim, pay for their accomodation, medical and not to mention free legal costs to abuse our system.

Allowing illegals to make a mockery of our system is offensive to everyone particularly those who have lived here all their lives and struggle to make ends meet. For the record I'm an immigrant and so is my entire family!

 

[uncleg]

I totally agree. I tend to think compassion should win over Xenophobia.
I have to say I find it very IRONIC that in the case of the OP, members of his own family were not born here....

I'm sorry OP (can't remember who the OP was, too lazy to check ) if you're so mad that these people are not going through the bureaucracy of the immigration process but instead are cheating by taking the easy way (as you seem to consider it) into Canada but I somehow doubt that your relatives were witnessing their sons being kidnapped-never-to-be-seen-again, imprisoned or killed as civilians simply based on their ethnicity. Just like all wars, it is the civilians who pay.

You should be grateful that your relatives were able to plan and go through the legal immigration process because I am sure refugees would probably choose this way as well if they could, instead of having to leave everything behind because of war...with not much more than the clothes on their backs. It's pretty arrogant of you.

They are not leaving because of war, it's over. Nothing is preventing them from staying and rebuilding their country. If they want out, there is a legal route, let them take it.

i'm all for immigration. my grandfathers on both sides were immigrants. one of them started out working for the CPR blasting rock cuts - he was the one holding the drill steel while a really tough (immigrant) fucker swung the 16 pound hammer at the steel to drill the blast holes in the rock face. 40 years later he retired as the general manager for that division.

however, there are two ways to immigrate - the right way and the wrong way.

the right way is you get sponsored by your prospective employer, fill out the visa forms, pay your fees, stand in the line-ups, book a passage with a recognized carrier, put in your time working on your work visa until you get your landed immigrant status then apply for citizenship. people who do it this way are demonstrating RESPECT FOR THE RULE OF LAW!

the wrong way is you hire passage on what is supposed to be a cargo freighter and you try to sneak in. if that freighter gets detected as carrying illegal immigrants and boarded, then you claim you are a refugee and you skip all the regular rules and jump straight to the head of the line. people who do it this way are demonstrating DISDAIN FOR THE RULE OF LAW!

and dood, given your recent troubles near your home you should be all for RESPECT for the rule of law. not one of the adults on that boat have any respect for the rule of canadian laws regarding immigration. i don't care how hard they are willing to work here, they will never respect our laws; however, there are millions out there who would respect our laws but they are being displaced by the line-jumpers

Seems we have a similar background. When my family first arrived in Canada, my father worked on the railway as a section-hand for $.75 per hour. My first job for the railway was at $1.25 per hour. We also came by boat, passage bought and paid for legally.

Disagreeing with you does not make us stupid, however you calling people who are probably ten times smarter than you stupid is ignorant!

Each of these "refugees" will end up costing the taxpayer approx. $50,000 to process their claim, pay for their accomodation, medical and not to mention free legal costs to abuse our system.

Allowing illegals to make a mockery of our system is offensive to everyone particularly those who have lived here all their lives and struggle to make ends meet. For the record I'm an immigrant and so is my entire family!

What HMMD said, considering what we had to go through to get here and make a life here, it is offensive to see how the system is being abused.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

I'm sorry OP (can't remember who the OP was, too lazy to check ) if you're so mad that these people are not going through the bureaucracy of the immigration process but instead are cheating by taking the easy way (as you seem to consider it) into Canada but I somehow doubt that your relatives were witnessing their sons being kidnapped-never-to-be-seen-again, imprisoned or killed as civilians simply based on their ethnicity. Just like all wars, it is the civilians who pay.

in my opinion, the illegal immigrants who are the products of war and war-based terror are PRECISELY the people we should be excluding from entering Canada. this is because in general they have had respect for the law brainwashed or terrorized out of them. nothing we can do will re-instill that respect, and without that respect for the law, they will not make "good" citizens. There have been many cases of identifiable groups of "refugees" (and not just the 'few bad apples') attempting to import their war beliefs with them, causing no end of grief to Canada. WE DON'T NEED THEM! accepting them is simply a misplaced guilt-cleansing on the part of Canadians, designed to make us feel good, but not designed to dispense compassion to the "refugees"

 

[Miss*Bijou]

I think they should start a system where for every refugee accepted into Canada, one Canadian displaying such attitudes such as those on this thread, should sent to the refugees country of origin to replace him/her and experience the living conditions.

They should do so for at least a year, and then should they change the way they see things, be welcome back and should they still hold the same beliefs, be wished luck and remain there indeterminately. I think we'd see a lot more tolerance, understanding and compassion.



The problem with your argument, guys, is that:

#1- there is nothing illegal about refugees and there is no such thing as an illegal refugee.
#2- By definition, a refugee is not expected to follow the regular immigration process - he/she is not even expected to enter the country legally and not to be penalized for doing so.

These aren't even Canadian laws.. they are international conventions.


From the Canadian Council for refugees website:

The fact that "war" may be technically over does not mean that there no longer can be refugees from a country. War being over does not magically resolve problems, human rights issues, persecution and violence that has gone on for decades! No, you will not read much of that in the news, not in the mainstream news where a "report/article" consists of a few paragraphs by a journalist with limited knowledge as well. You cannot possible read little blurbs in the newspaper or on the evening news and expect to have an in depth understanding.


When it comes to these kinds of situations, there is so much more to consider, so many intricacies, so much history...so much propaganda! How can one even hope to be fully aware or knowledgeable on these topics..they can't. Even the journalist doesnt' have a grasp on it either. People read this meager report or article and then get mad. Well, you know what? (This is not meant as an accusation) If you are so mad, then isn't it your duty to research what it is you are mad about, and not just accept and believe what you've read in a few paragraph written by someone who really doesn't know any more than you do? Do you give big business media that much of your trust? I don't.


I've said this before, I like these kinds of threads, if only for the fact that it motivates me to find my own answers. That's what the internet is for, and I personally do not trust that watching the CBC news or any other paper, gives me an unbiased, accurate and complete view so I can make an informed, balanced decision.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

I read on another website, that approximately 80% of people seeking refugee status in the UK, consists of women and children. I'd imagine the % would be similar in Canada.

If you want some more information, I'll add a few links a bit later (no time right now) I found as I was looking it up and feel free to look it up yourself... Google is your friend.


If you have no interest, that's fine, but in that case your arguments are based on xenophobia, propaganda and your own personal fears - they are not based on a reasonably informed understanding on both the refugee status request process or basic knowledge of the past & current conflict in Sri Lanka and the living conditions these people are fleeing.

 

[Bartdude]

You uninformed xenophobes need to give your heads a shake.

Don't buy into the usual stereotypes.

Tamils aren't ponying up $10G's so they can come here and collect fucking EI and welfare.

By all means nab the terrorists and criminals. But don't paint everybody with the same brush.

 

[Bartdude]

Nice work Bijou - I would add....

....that studies show immigrants' net financial contributions to Canada's government and economy match or exceed those by regular citizens. That is, when you subtract immigrants' use of social programs from their tax revenues, you wind up with a positive number - ie. immigrants contribute, on the whole, more than they take.

I think they should start a system where for every refugee accepted into Canada, one Canadian displaying such attitudes such as those on this thread, should sent to the refugees country of origin to replace him/her and experience the living conditions.

They should do so for at least a year, and then should they change the way they see things, be welcome back and should they still hold the same beliefs, be wished luck and remain there indeterminately. I think we'd see a lot more tolerance, understanding and compassion.



The problem with your argument, guys, is that:

#1- there is nothing illegal about refugees and there is no such thing as an illegal refugee.
#2- By definition, a refugee is not expected to follow the regular immigration process - he/she is not even expected to enter the country legally and not to be penalized for doing so.

These aren't even Canadian laws.. they are international conventions.


From the Canadian Council for refugees website:

The fact that "war" may be technically over does not mean that there no longer can be refugees from a country. War being over does not magically resolve problems, human rights issues, persecution and violence that has gone on for decades! No, you will not read much of that in the news, not in the mainstream news were a "report" consists of a few paragraphs from the authors also limited understanding of a complete picture. You cannot possible read little blurbs in the news paper or on the evening news and expect to have an in depth understanding.


When it comes to these kinds of situations, there is so much more to consider, some many intricacies...how can one even hope to be fully aware or knowledgeable on these topics..they can't. Even the journalist doesnt' have a grasp on it either. People read this meager report or article and then get mad. Well, you know what? (This is not meant as an accusation) If you are so mad, then isn't it your duty to research what it is you are mad about, and not just accept and believe what you've read in a few paragraph written by someone who really, doesn't know any more than you do? Do you give big business media that much of your trust? I don't.


I've said this before, I like these kinds of threads, if only for the fact that it motivates me to find my own answers. That's what the internet is for, and I personally do not trust that watching the CBC news or any other paper, gives me an unbiased, accurate and complete view so I can make an informed, balanced decision.

 

[Ray]

I wouldn't go so far as labelling people as 'xenophobic' for being opposed to this boatload.
People are just frustrated. The economic situation is tough here right now. We've seen a lot of abuse from 'refugees' in the past.

However, we would be very unfair to paint all asylum seekers with the same brush.
I don't know too much about Sri Lanka or the finer details of the causes of the civil war, but the country went through many many years of a brutal civil war. The losing side is living in absolute fear of the unknown. Of repercussions.
We should be thankful we don't understand that fear.

We have a system in place to deal with this, to sort it all out. Let the officials do their job.

To those that suggest turning the people loose out on the high seas, all I can say is that I hope you and your family are never in a desperate situation where you need to turn to others for help.

Compassion is one of our Canadian values.

 

[aznboi9]

I think they should start a system where for every refugee accepted into Canada, one Canadian displaying such attitudes such as those on this thread, should sent to the refugees country of origin to replace him/her and experience the living conditions.
.....
The fact that "war" may be technically over does not mean that there no longer can be refugees from a country. War being over does not magically resolve problems, human rights issues, persecution and violence that has gone on for decades! No, you will not read much of that in the news, not in the mainstream news where a "report/article" consists of a few paragraphs by a journalist with limited knowledge as well. You cannot possible read little blurbs in the newspaper or on the evening news and expect to have an in depth understanding.


When it comes to these kinds of situations, there is so much more to consider, so many intricacies, so much history...so much propaganda! How can one even hope to be fully aware or knowledgeable on these topics..they can't. Even the journalist doesnt' have a grasp on it either. People read this meager report or article and then get mad. Well, you know what? (This is not meant as an accusation) If you are so mad, then isn't it your duty to research what it is you are mad about, and not just accept and believe what you've read in a few paragraph written by someone who really doesn't know any more than you do? Do you give big business media that much of your trust? I don't.


I've said this before, I like these kinds of threads, if only for the fact that it motivates me to find my own answers. That's what the internet is for, and I personally do not trust that watching the CBC news or any other paper, gives me an unbiased, accurate and complete view so I can make an informed, balanced decision.

 

[HankQuinlan]

Refill the boat with food, water and fuel and turn the fuckers around.

That's pretty much what we did with the Komagata Maru and with Jewish refugess from Europe. Turns out we're not proud of those parts of our history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komagata_Maru_incident

http://www.vaniercollege.qc.ca/events/holocaust04/st_louis.html

 

[BrokeBastard]

I totally agree. I tend to think compassion should win over Xenophobia.
I have to say I find it very IRONIC that in the case of the OP, members of his own family were not born here....

But they did it the legal way. They had to wait and spend a lot of money, just like most Canadians.



Basically if every war-torn, diseased ridden, poverty stricken, government surpressing person wanted to come to Canada and did it illegally, you'd welcome them with open arms? Even if they did it by the tens of millions?

 

[BrokeBastard]

...I have one word to say which will piss people off....WOW

Freeloaders? Most of these people end up here doing the shit jobs no one else is interested in. Seen many "white" hotel housekeeping staff? Seen many "white" Servpro janitors? See many "white" people working weekend for 7 bucks an hour at Burger King. Get over yourself...all the people that do the "shit" jobs you aren't worthy of doing are immigrants or refugees

Are you white? Just curious.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

But they did it the legal way. They had to wait and spend a lot of money, just like most Canadians.



Basically if every war-torn, diseased ridden, poverty stricken, government surpressing person wanted to come to Canada and did it illegally, you'd welcome them with open arms? Even if they did it by the tens of millions?

Obviously you haven't read all of this thread, eh.

 

[juniper]

Acceptance of refugees is one of the areas in which Canada is internationally reputed. On the other hand, we are so far from sources where refugees emanate that we are, relatively speaking, hardly "under threat". Take the USA, for instance, which has had to integrate so many Cubans in the past who escaped Cuba using small boats and, more to the point, Mexicans who reside illegally in the USA and have for many years and where threats of violence are common due to the drug trade. So, in fact, our troubles are, and have been, minimal by comparison.

With respect to the Tamils, our legitemate fears concern possible terrorists as passengers aboard ship or the seamen manning the ship. It is also always a risk to our society when we take in people from wartorn countries as the level of violence and criminality amongst these immigrants may be significantly higher than what abounds with respect to immigrants from relatively peaceful countries, i.e., Vietnamese vs. Phillipinos. I am drawing on my personal and professional experience with respect to the last statement and do not have objective records to prove it.

 

[Ray]

I didn't realize that the Filipino community was so violence prone. I assume that is the one you are referring to since Vietnam has been relatively peaceful for decades & the Philippines is fighting a civil war against Maoist insurgents... I always thought the more violent were the Vietnamese gangs.

I guess I leaned something new today.

You either didn't fully read or comprehend what he wrote.

level of violence and criminality amongst these immigrants may be significantly higher than what abounds with respect to immigrants from relatively peaceful countries, i.e., Vietnamese vs. Phillipinos

 

[uncleg]

That's pretty much what we did with the Komagata Maru and with Jewish refugess from Europe. Turns out we're not proud of those parts of our history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komagata_Maru_incident

http://www.vaniercollege.qc.ca/events/holocaust04/st_louis.html

Canada may not be proud of that part of its history, but were those actions the norm for the time or were they out of the ordinary ?
If we are going to remember, then lets remember Air India. The Sikhs want a free Khalistan, but haven't started a war to get it, the Tamils did. Canada was already a major source of funds for the Tigers, do we want it to become a base of operations as well ?

 

[snif]

If it were a boatload of 18 yr old Tamil tigresses , that would be just great , grant them refugee staus and get them started in a great carreer of SP,ing....
they would love the nice condo and hd t/v, and would gladly suck my dick and fuk me for 20-50 dollars and be very happpppy.

 

[Bartdude]

You either didn't fully read or comprehend what he wrote.

level of violence and criminality amongst these immigrants may be significantly higher than what abounds with respect to immigrants from relatively peaceful countries, i.e., Vietnamese vs. Phillipinos

Oh I think he comprehended it fine. He just thinks it's alarmist bullshit.

As do I.

 

[juniper]

Let's be clear: I meant that the Vietnamese came from a wartorn country and those who escaped subsequently spent time in camps where the level of violence was extraordinary before landing in Canada. As a result, many young Vietnamese learned to act with violence due to the nature of their earlier experiences and upbringing. One rarely witnesses violence on the part of Phillipinos, on the other hand. They were desperately poor in the Phillipines and, as a result, have been required to find work in many other nations, sending funds home to support their families. This is the comparison I am attempting to make. As I said before, this passage is based on my (former) professional work and personal observations. I hope this clarifies.