Five Timers Club - question for the ladies

[ElsiDawson]

In a recent post an SP said “the number of text messages on my work phone number in the thousands each month”. With so many people messaging with little intention of booking, I wonder why more SPs don’t offer repeat client discounts. I think an SNL inspired five timers club, where membership is conditional on good gentlemanly behaviour and mutual agreement, would encourage repeat visits, help SPs advertise less, reduce the avalanche of texts, and potentially improve SP safety.

Why do so few offer this?

Dude, my name is LC, not SP. Gawd.

It's not so much discounts offered, but there are other benefits to being a solid regular. I'm sure there are a handful of punters here that I've bought drinks for, that I've bought dinner for, who have endured dates where the hour ended but we just keep sitting around in bed naked talking shit. They get the happy, perky, flirty booking texts and confirmations instead of the automated responses. We sometimes chat on the phone, or hop online to play video games together. I'll pull out my art or show off my (lack of) carpentry skills. When we book duos together, I'll talk to the other SP and say "he's one of my favourite clients, so I'm not upcharging him for the session." Good clients don't have to pay deposits to get me to their hotel room, and they get wicked good, detailed references if they want to see other providers (a detailed reference means that she already knows what makes you tick so she can show you the best time). They can ask me for old ads that they miss, and (if I know that it won't compromise their relationships) I'll send them letters or drawings. I chase my clients around on twitter and call them pet names or post some inside jokes. They get their pick of time slot when I'm doing promotional duos or if I'm booked up, I'll shuffle things around so that I can see them. They get to book further out when they know they're going to be in town, or with less notice when they're unexpectedly available.

Most importantly, they get all the love and joy in Elsi's rock-solid heart, and they know it and that feels nice.


Also, I think my regulars would shit a brick if I told them I wanted to charge them less than $250 per "hour." They know about community efforts I'm working on and things I'm quietly funding out-of-pocket. More often than not, they pay me more than my rates because they appreciate the extra time and attention I pour into their sessions and they want to make sure that I can afford to keep doing that.

 

[johnnydepth]

we are discussing it, you just don't like the things we're saying.


I don't do this because I don't need to. No matter what I charge, how I run my payment structure, whether I offer deals or specials...I WILL get waste of time inquiries. Idiot men will always message me just to waste my time or call me while jerking off even if I charge $1000/h. That's just how it is. And we're allowed to complain about it if we want to, because it's gross and frustrating. And ALSO...I get PLENTY of repeat visits. I have a wonderful collection of regulars. I charge what I want to charge, and it works for me. I still get harassed by idiots.


Are you complaining because you asked a question and it wasn't answered in the way you wanted it to be? Aw, muffin, do you need a juice box and a nap?

Fuck, do I love naps!

 

[Vpete]

Dude, my name is LC, not SP. Gawd.

It's not so much discounts offered, but there are other benefits to being a solid regular. I'm sure there are a handful of punters here that I've bought drinks for, that I've bought dinner for, who have endured dates where the hour ended but we just keep sitting around in bed naked talking shit. They get the happy, perky, flirty booking texts and confirmations instead of the automated responses. We sometimes chat on the phone, or hop online to play video games together. I'll pull out my art or show off my (lack of) carpentry skills. When we book duos together, I'll talk to the other SP and say "he's one of my favourite clients, so I'm not upcharging him for the session." Good clients don't have to pay deposits to get me to their hotel room, and they get wicked good, detailed references if they want to see other providers (a detailed reference means that she already knows what makes you tick so she can show you the best time). They can ask me for old ads that they miss, and (if I know that it won't compromise their relationships) I'll send them letters or drawings. I chase my clients around on twitter and call them pet names or post some inside jokes. They get their pick of time slot when I'm doing promotional duos or if I'm booked up, I'll shuffle things around so that I can see them. They get to book further out when they know they're going to be in town, or with less notice when they're unexpectedly available.

Most importantly, they get all the love and joy in Elsi's rock-solid heart, and they know it and that feels nice.


Also, I think my regulars would shit a brick if I told them I wanted to charge them less than $250 per "hour." They know about community efforts I'm working on and things I'm quietly funding out-of-pocket. More often than not, they pay me more than my rates because they appreciate the extra time and attention I pour into their sessions and they want to make sure that I can afford to keep doing that.

Elis kinda hit it out of the park here. As some one who has worked in marketing, sales ans a ton of other aspects of business I can say that SW has many elements of business but it’s soooo different too.

I just read Elsi’s post again- i think this lady has a future. Basically what she did was make her sale about everything other than price. Sold!! and i don’t even know what I’m paying. The onus is on the dudes to figure out where there is value for them and how to be valuable to ladies. If Elsi’s post does not make clear the value proposition of beinf a good client nothing will.

When i first started learning about this industry i really had to contextualize YMMV. It’s applicable here as a client not just about physical acts but the whole experience and there’s a lot guys can do to increase their mileage. I’d focus on that before I’d even consider a frequent flyer plan from ladies.

 

[ddcanz]

Fuck, do I love naps!

Especially waking up to a nice fresh juice box!

 

[Sub-Slut]

Dude, my name is LC, not SP. Gawd.

It's not so much discounts offered, but there are other benefits to being a solid regular. I'm sure there are a handful of punters here that I've bought drinks for, that I've bought dinner for, who have endured dates where the hour ended but we just keep sitting around in bed naked talking shit. They get the happy, perky, flirty booking texts and confirmations instead of the automated responses. We sometimes chat on the phone, or hop online to play video games together. I'll pull out my art or show off my (lack of) carpentry skills. When we book duos together, I'll talk to the other SP and say "he's one of my favourite clients, so I'm not upcharging him for the session." Good clients don't have to pay deposits to get me to their hotel room, and they get wicked good, detailed references if they want to see other providers (a detailed reference means that she already knows what makes you tick so she can show you the best time). They can ask me for old ads that they miss, and (if I know that it won't compromise their relationships) I'll send them letters or drawings. I chase my clients around on twitter and call them pet names or post some inside jokes. They get their pick of time slot when I'm doing promotional duos or if I'm booked up, I'll shuffle things around so that I can see them. They get to book further out when they know they're going to be in town, or with less notice when they're unexpectedly available.

Most importantly, they get all the love and joy in Elsi's rock-solid heart, and they know it and that feels nice.


Also, I think my regulars would shit a brick if I told them I wanted to charge them less than $250 per "hour." They know about community efforts I'm working on and things I'm quietly funding out-of-pocket. More often than not, they pay me more than my rates because they appreciate the extra time and attention I pour into their sessions and they want to make sure that I can afford to keep doing that.

Yes! More of this thread plz!

I recently had a conversation with a nonpunter friend (puke) who was saying "You've been seeing this escort (lets call her Elspee, got em, to keep things anonymous) for a few years now. Do you ever think of asking Elspee for a discount or something like that?" First I asked him "what are you doing here! Can't you let me poop in peace?"

You can't go around asking for discounts because you do your job as a client. I wish I could go to a ma n' pa bakery and demand a free brownie because I smiled and said "thank you" the previous four times.

There are perks, like Elspee mentioned, if you build up a relationship with a sp. Same as if you were to have a strong relationship with a non-sp.

Elspee does have a rock-solid heart, even if she humble brags about it. I probably know only a small fraction of what she does in her neighbourhood and I am flabbergasted by her drive and kindness. She has referenced me to numerous sp's and has helped me become a better client in so many ways. Her shit talking needs work, but lying naked in bed with her giggling is hard to beat. I even have some of her artwork in my living room!

Her carpentry "skills" do need work though...

 

[sybian]

Yes! More of this thread plz!

I recently had a conversation with a nonpunter friend (puke) who was saying "You've been seeing this escort (lets call her Elspee, got em, to keep things anonymous) for a few years now. Do you ever think of asking Elspee for a discount or something like that?" First I asked him "what are you doing here! Can't you let me poop in peace?"

You can't go around asking for discounts because you do your job as a client. I wish I could go to a ma n' pa bakery and demand a free brownie because I smiled and said "thank you" the previous four times.

There are perks, like Elspee mentioned, if you build up a relationship with a sp. Same as if you were to have a strong relationship with a non-sp.

Elspee does have a rock-solid heart, even if she humble brags about it. I probably know only a small fraction of what she does in her neighbourhood and I am flabbergasted by her drive and kindness. She has referenced me to numerous sp's and has helped me become a better client in so many ways. Her shit talking needs work, but lying naked in bed with her giggling is hard to beat. I even have some of her artwork in my living room!

Her carpentry "skills" do need work though...

Fantastic job keeping that anonymous.....I have no idea who your talking about.

( note to self...fuck the flowers, show up with a "This Old House" magazine...nobody does carpentry like Norm Abrahms, that'll get me a red "M "stamped on my card)

 

[ddcanz]

( note to self...fuck the flowers, show up with a "This Old House" magazine...nobody does carpentry like Norm Abrahms, that'll get me a red "M "stamped on my card)

A tool belt- worn in American reverse fashion- and a pair of grimy shit-kickers generally does it for the ladies in my circle. Having a titanium hammer doesn't hurt either.

 

[ElsiDawson]

Having a titanium hammer doesn't hurt either.

Clearly you haven't been on the receiving end lately.

 

[ddcanz]

Clearly you haven't been on the receiving end lately.

I'm a pitcher, not a catcher.
Been swinging one for over 30 years- used to use a 22 oz. woody and wielded it like a madman. Now, the 14 oz together with a lighter experienced touch gets the job done. Or so I'm told....

 

[ElsiDawson]

I'm a pitcher, not a catcher.
Been swinging one for over 30 years- used to use a 22 oz. woody and wielded it like a madman. Now, the 14 oz together with a lighter experienced touch gets the job done. Or so I'm told....

I'm rocking 20oz of steel. I broke my woody about a year around pulling apart the rot logs in the yard. I know, wrong tool for the job, but when you've got a woody, everything looks like it's gonna get nailed.

 

[westwoody]

Having a titanium hammer doesn't hurt either.

A Stiletto? I'm thinking about one of those.

Discounted rates are not even what long term customers get anyways.
The benefit is intangible, a comfort level and connection that is not measured in dollars.
I'd pay my fave ten times her rate if I could, and it would be worth it!

 

[ddcanz]

I'm rocking 20oz of steel. I broke my woody about a year around pulling apart the rot logs in the yard. I know, wrong tool for the job, but when you've got a woody, everything looks like it's gonna get nailed.

My old woody was always easier on the elbow and the wrist. The steel was for stripping and ripping with rough and ready situations that needed to pounded out in a hurry. Now that I'm older and wiser, the titanium serves all scenarios- just a great multi-purpose tool that can handle most serious jobs with less wear and tear on the old bones.

 

[sybian]

I'm rocking 20oz of steel. I broke my woody about a year around pulling apart the rot logs in the yard. I know, wrong tool for the job, but when you've got a woody, everything looks like it's gonna get nailed.

Vaughn for framing, Estwing for concrete...and the Stilleto to impress the ladies.
Do you prefer the head knurled or smooth faced?...inquiring minds wanna know.

 

[ElsiDawson]

Vaughn for framing, Estwing for concrete...and the Stilleto to impress the ladies.
Do you prefer the head knurled or smooth faced?...inquiring minds wanna know.

You don't have enough stamps to know that about me yet. Jesus, some of these fucking texts.

 

[ddcanz]

A Stiletto? I'm thinking about one of those.

Discounted rates are not even what long term customers get anyways.
The benefit is intangible, a comfort level and connection that is not measured in dollars.
I'd pay my fave ten times her rate if I could, and it would be worth it!

Stiletto is overpriced IMO- like the old Lee Valley California framers with the high polished heads- it's a show piece
Mine's a Dewalt and it performs.

 

[felixthecat]

i think there’s value in discussing it here. Hopefully it makes some consider using price as a way to encourage more repeat visits.

You had a legitimate question there. You did not indicate you'd ever ask for a discount. Much of criticism toward you was unfair and off-topic.

It is still a sensitive issue. If you ever give an unsolicited advice to a pro (any profession), do you expect they'd usually come to defend their business practices and learn from you, or they'd tell you to shove it? Chances are, they know things you don't.

Perhaps another way to ask this: "Why most individual SPs don't use the kind of repeat customer programs that many agencies have?" It's not like agencies have no business sense, and not like they are insulting their employees by such programs.

My gut feeling is that it's not obviously beneficial for individual SPs. They don't really hire a marketing expert to calculate their specific case. The program has an overhead per participant to maintain, but becomes useful only occasionally. (What portion of clients repeat 5+ times anyway? For those who do, how often a $30 discount afterwards will be much of incentive rather than just a lost revenue?)

In reality, most individuals know very well to show appreciation of repeat customers in some way that makes sense to the SP, not necessarily financially. In fact, individuals have more options to choose from, some were mentioned above.

 

[nwtl]

I asked a legitimate question. Although some consider it a taboo topic i think there’s value in discussing it here. Hopefully it makes some consider using price as a way to encourage more repeat visits. If someone wants to make $300/hr and is getting too many waste-of-time inquiries, why not charge $350/hr and then cut a break for regulars. There’s many different ways to do this, but I haven’t encountered many creative examples.
.

If someone wants to make $300, they would post their price at $300, and hope and expect people to respect it, instead of all the games and politics and tracking some five timer club members. We should do the same, if your budget is $300, don't contact a $350 asking for a discount because you are or plan to be a regular.

 

[JM2018]

Dude, my name is LC, not SP. Gawd.

It's not so much discounts offered, but there are other benefits to being a solid regular. I'm sure there are a handful of punters here that I've bought drinks for, that I've bought dinner for, who have endured dates where the hour ended but we just keep sitting around in bed naked talking shit. They get the happy, perky, flirty booking texts and confirmations instead of the automated responses. We sometimes chat on the phone, or hop online to play video games together. I'll pull out my art or show off my (lack of) carpentry skills. When we book duos together, I'll talk to the other SP and say "he's one of my favourite clients, so I'm not upcharging him for the session." Good clients don't have to pay deposits to get me to their hotel room, and they get wicked good, detailed references if they want to see other providers (a detailed reference means that she already knows what makes you tick so she can show you the best time). They can ask me for old ads that they miss, and (if I know that it won't compromise their relationships) I'll send them letters or drawings. I chase my clients around on twitter and call them pet names or post some inside jokes. They get their pick of time slot when I'm doing promotional duos or if I'm booked up, I'll shuffle things around so that I can see them. They get to book further out when they know they're going to be in town, or with less notice when they're unexpectedly available.

Most importantly, they get all the love and joy in Elsi's rock-solid heart, and they know it and that feels nice.


Also, I think my regulars would shit a brick if I told them I wanted to charge them less than $250 per "hour." They know about community efforts I'm working on and things I'm quietly funding out-of-pocket. More often than not, they pay me more than my rates because they appreciate the extra time and attention I pour into their sessions and they want to make sure that I can afford to keep doing that.

Absolutely all this. A few bucks isn’t in the same universe as everything Elsi described above.

 

[treveller]

Seems to me that being a "solid regular" would have lots of benefits that have nothing to do with money. Just pay what is asked or don't waste her time.

At the same time, having a lower price for added hours is appreciated and makes sense. There is lots of cost and investment with simply meeting that doesn't apply to extra hours. Another interesting thing is when the 2nd hour costs less than the 1st but the cost of the 3rd hour is higher. Does this indicate a preference for 2 hour visits where a 3rd hour is not wanted?

 

[Forum mod]

This is devolving into snark and insults. Thread closed.