Firewall Software Recommendations

tokugawa

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Computer experts out I need your help again.

Recently I purchased a Desktop running 64 bit Vista Premium Home Edition. I installed AVG anti-virus software along with Zone Alarm firewall. However, soon after both my browsers (IE and Firefox) began freezing up. I discovered through the internet that running Zone Alarm with Vista causes issues with IE and Firefox. So I un-installed Zone Alarm and switched back to Windows Firewall. As a result, both IE and Firefox are now running smoothly.

Question: Is Windows Firewall sufficient or should I get another Firewall? Also I am thinking about using Torrents. Any recommendations on the type of firewalls or some kind of protection I should be using? I was told Peer Guardian was a good one: http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/



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dunnochit

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You might want to have a look at this

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10366232-83.html?tag=mncol;posts

http://www.microsoft.com/Security_essentials/

or this
http://www.kaspersky.com/
http://tinyurl.com/yggjl52

If you don't like the Free Microsoft Security Essentials, or the Kapersky or Trend, then try the free version of AVAST, Anything but AVG and Avoid Norton. Norton is great at marketing, you see yellow everywhere, and it is included on a lot of new PC's, but the worst protection out there and a resource hog.

Anyone using torrents, or any free download sites, puts their computer, identity and data at risk. Nothing will stop a Trojan, Malware or a Virus that you "invite" into your computer. If you invite a Trojan or Malware into your computer, through a download or website, it will simply disable your protection without your knowledge. The people that design these programs are very sophisticated and prey on those of you who think that by installing Firewalls and Virus Protection you are safe. You also need to make an effort, as a user, to protect yourself. Pay attention to where you go on the net and avoid high risk sites and habits. Scan your computer regularly and use a program like Spybot Search and Destroy to scan for Trojans and Malware. If you must download, get a second PC, make it autonomous and use it to download. You can then transfer the downloaded files via a USB Drive, scanning the files before copying to your main computer. The second computer does not need to be very powerful, any old P4 will do.

Also, many users do not rename the Administrator account or password protect it, and cruise the Internet as an Administrator. Below are the reasons why you should pay better attention to what rights you have when cruising the Internet.

Why you should not run your computer as an administrator
Running your computer as a member of the Administrators group makes the system vulnerable to Trojan horses and other security risks. The simple act of visiting an Internet site or opening an e-mail attachment can be damaging to the system. An unfamiliar Internet site or e-mail attachment may have Trojan horse code that can be downloaded to the system and executed.

If you are logged on as an administrator of a local computer, a Trojan horse could reformat your hard drive, delete your files, and create a new user account with administrative access. If you are logged on as a member of the Domain Admins group, Enterprise Admins group, or Schema Admins group in Active Directory, a trojan horse could create a new domain user account with administrative access and put schema, configuration, or domain data at risk.

On a local computer, it is recommended that you add your domain user account only to the Users group (and not to the Administrators group) to perform routine tasks, including running programs and visiting Internet sites. When it becomes necessary to perform administrative tasks on the local computer or in Active Directory, use Run as to start a program using administrative credentials. Run as allows you to accomplish administrative tasks without exposing your computer or data stored in Active Directory to unnecessary risk. For more information, see Using Run as. For more information about how to use Run as, see Run a program with administrative credentials.

If you need to perform administrative tasks, such as upgrading the operating system or configuring system parameters, then log off and log back on as an administrator.

If you make the effort to protect yourself, then you are helping to protect the rest of us. Users who allow themselves to get infected are the reason why the Internet is the way it is today. A little prevention can go a long way. JMHO
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mercyshooter

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Windows firewall is good enough. Having other firewall softwares turned on may make your system unstable and slow. The general rule of thumb is as long as you have a firewall turned on, you don't need extra firewalls. So, in general, one firewall (in this case, windows), one anti-virus program turn on, your computer is safe. If you have more than either one of them, your system may start to get confused and may start getting unstable.
 

dunnochit

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Windows firewall is good enough. Having other firewall softwares turned on may make your system unstable and slow. The general rule of thumb is as long as you have a firewall turned on, you don't need extra firewalls. So, in general, one firewall (in this case, windows), one anti-virus program turn on, your computer is safe. If you have more than either one of them, your system may start to get confused and may start getting unstable.
You do not know what you are talking about. Windows Firewall and a virus program and you are safe? LMAO
In XP the Windows Firewall cannot block outbound connections; it is only capable of blocking inbound ones. Vista significantly improves the firewall to address a number of concerns around the flexibility of Windows Firewall in a corporate environment. However, you need to configure it at the console to truly work properly and if you invite the Trojans or Malware in, then the Windows Firewall is the first to be disabled. No product can control what happens between the back of the chair and the keyboard. Dilligence and good practices are the best way to protect your identity and data. To say that with Windows Firewall and a Virus Program you are safe, is irresponsible advice.

Whichever Firewall you choose it MUST block outbound connections so FTP servers, keystroke counters, sendmail programs and the like will not run unimpeded. Furthermore, Windows Firewall does nothing to prevent Trojans and Malware if you download them or click on a malicious website. Kapersky or Trend, as well as others, will at least warn you before you click that "OK" button. Windows Firewall has no such feature and Windows Defender is also not the answer either, although both are better than nothing.

If you are a techie, you need to brush up on a few things. If you are just a guy trying to help, you are mis-informed.
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mercyshooter

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You are too dependable on these extra firewall softwares. Do some researchs and you'll be able to find out that some antivirus programs are too perfect to block suspicious websites. I have no problem using my Vista Ultimate, Windows firewall, windows defender, NOD32 antivirus, IE 8, and most updated system. Don't try to be a PC techie if you are not one.

Also, are you talking about the client side or the server side? Be specific!
 

Purrr VertIcal

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All of my very experienced techie and hacker friends were horrified when they saw I was using the stock Windows Firewall (XP), and insisted I change for my own safety and sanity.

And they were right.

What I am using now has stopped more crap and notified me of it than Windows ever did. I used to get infected with worms and malware all the time, and was forced more than once to re-install my operating system as a result, since it was simpler (time-cost-effective) than ferreting out embedded shit. (It can take about five to eight hours to re-install, but often way more to try to correct a 'leaking ship'. - - If you have your info partitioned away from your op' system).

Right now I am runnning Kerio Personal Firewall, a free internet download, and Avast anti-virus, also free online.

Before that I had tried all the big corporate names that you buy in a box at the store, or come with machines, like McAffee, Norton, and Trend.
 

mercyshooter

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If you are using other firewall software instead of windows firewall, make sure you turn windows firewall off and your favourite firewall software on. So, in general, use only one firewall. Otherwise, your system may get really unstable.
Like I said, if you have a one good firewall software, one good antivirus program, in general, you are good to go.
 

dunnochit

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QUOTE=mercyshooter;950523]
Like I said, if you have a one good firewall software, one good antivirus program, in general, you are good to go.[/QUOTE]

See now you are saying if you have one good firewall, when before you were saying the Windows Firewall. Make up your mind, it is either a good firewall or the Windows firewall,

You run NOD32, a fabulous AntiVirus, Malware Trojan etc.. program and still choose to use Windows Firewall? This argument is over. Your decision makes no logical sense. A Proactive and excellent Firewall built into NOD32 and you choose to use a Reactive generic Windows Firewall? I do not get it.

You are obviously happy with your setup and I am happy for you. However, the OP asked about torrents and your current setup will not protect the OP. You have the capabiltiy to protect yourself very well, but choose not to?

If you download from Torrents or Limewire or anywhere that is FREE, or God forbid, visit porn sites, the number one purveyer of Trojans and Malware, then your current setup WILL eventually catch up to you. Even NOD32 cannot stop Malware and Trojans downloaded or invited into the computer and Windows Firewall will not stop any sophistcated mailicious software.

The point of this whole exercise was to answer the OP's original question about torrents. NO setup, Firewall, Anti-Virus, Anti-Malware Anti-Whatever program will protect any computer from a user that downloads or innocently clicks on a picture, or a link, on what they thought was a legitimate and safe website and invites the Malware in. The writers of these malicious programs count on users feeling confident of their protection.

Furthermore you mentioned Vista Ultimate as your O\S. Are you running as an Administrator? Have turned off User Access Control, which many users have foolishly done because it is annoying? If any of the previous is true, then you are even more at risk.

You have obviously never suffered any losses and damage due to malicious softawre, so that makes you lucky, as well as due. I have found that the easiest users to convince are those who like you, thought they were good to go, and woke up to find there Hard Drives erased, they credit cards maxed out, credit cards applied for by people using their information, had their bank accounts compromised etc.....

To the OP, my advice is to not use torrents, Limewire or any other free download sites on any computer you use for banking, credit card purchases or to store valuable data or accounting programs. Do not visit questionable websites with this computer either. The malware writers use these types of sites to deliver their payload. Also do not depend on your Anti-Virus program, no matter how good it is, to protect you from everything. Install a program like Spybot Search and Destroy and run it about once a week, more if you suspect something. You can also run it at startup if you choose. Spybot will find many Malware and Trojans the other programs miss.

If you must download, or viist porn sites, then get a second autonomous computer and use it for these purposes only. Because again, there is nothig that will prevent your computer from being compromised if you download a malicious program, thinking it was a song, or click on that latest picture of Paris Hilton.

Mercyshooter, you need to be a little less confident and little more dilligent about protecting your computer. A false sense of security could come back and bite you in the ass someday. And get rid of the Windows firewall and use the fabulous one included in the NOD32 program

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mercyshooter

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OMG! Have you ever heard of keeping all your programs up-to-date? Meaning regularly update your programs. I also use torrents and everything is fine!
Maybe your method of analysis doesn't apply quite nicely here. :p
Looks like you forgot the "support and maintenance" of the life cycle of a software. :eek:
 

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I have been using ESet antivirus (the professional one) for 5 months now, and have not have a single problem with anything on my home comp. (*knocks on wood*)

Compared to when I got my computer built, the douche who built it used nothing but free programs, and I had virus after virus....
 

dunnochit

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OMG! Have you ever heard of keeping all your programs up-to-date? Meaning regularly update your programs. I also use torrents and everything is fine!
Maybe your method of analysis doesn't apply quite nicely here. :p
Looks like you forgot the "support and maintenance" of the life cycle of a software. :eek:
Heard about keeping all programs up to date? Absoluting, and it is sound advice.However your theory assumes that anti-virus companies develop the cure and then virus writers write the virus. So if I use your way of thinking, we would develop the cure for Cancer and then we would develop the desease? Yep you are the guy I want in charge of my computer security.

You have gotten yourself into an argument you cannot win using facts, so let it rest. No matter what precautions you take, scanniing, updating whatever, you are risking your data and your personal information if you download from illegal sites. That is a fact and there is nothing you can do to protect yourself better than maybe 90% of the time. You argue that you use torrents and all is fine and I say, how do you know and your time will come.

I stand by my reccomendation that the only way to protect yourself is to NOT download from illegal sites. If you choose to do so, at least be aware of the risks and not think you are "good to go", because you are not.

One Person’s Tale Using A Torrent & Fighting A Virus Attack
by Ron Schenone

I ran into this tale of woe, in which a trained tech. did an experiment and tried downloading software from a torrent. If you are not familiar with torrents they are best described as a system wherein everyone shares a folder on their system to make downloading easier. The usual warnings apply in that the downloads are usually illegal since they violate copyrighted law.

However, not to get involved in the legal aspects, there is another lesson to be learned. In the article it states:

I scanned my download with the latest version of AVG; all clear. I installed it and immediately all sorts of warnings informed me that my homepage was being changed; applications were trying to access the internet and several processes were attempting to place themselves in the start-up areas of Windows. Yikes!

Something in that torrent file was infecting my machine. After unplugging my network, (to avoid infecting the whole building), I noted filenames in the warning dialogues and frantically started searching. I found eight “droppers” and tried to delete them. No go; they were being used by Windows. After restarting in safe mode, I managed to delete a couple of them, but most had been integrated into Windows.

When Windows started, the viruses ran with it, and there was no way I could delete the infected files within Windows. I booted my machine using a bootable DVD, and, after mounting the drive, scanned it with several scanners, picking up 14 infected files.

I had to manually remove many other suspect files and edit the registry to remove viral hooks. Even then, after restarting Windows I still couldn’t find one particular process that almost had me tearing my hair out. Purely by luck I found the rogue process, which was disguised as a valid Windows system file. Interestingly, no virus scanner flagged it as a threat. Once removed, everything returned to normal.

So there you have it. In the final statement this summoned it up best:

What a way to spend an afternoon - if I had to pay for the clean-up, it would have been hundreds of dollars; all for a $40 piece of software.

I hope you get the moral of this story.
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mercyshooter

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You use AVG?! Did you do benchmarking on all the antivirus programs? My God! Computer scientist?! Looks like your antivirus program's QA sucks!
 

dunnochit

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You use AVG?! Did you do benchmarking on all the antivirus programs? My God! Computer scientist?! Looks like your antivirus program's QA sucks!
Did you actually read the post? It referenced an article about an incident experienced by another Tech. It was simply to give an example of what could happen. In my first post I said to not use AVG, you get what you pay for in this business. Just suck it up and admit you got ahead of yourself and now you are backpedalling.

I do not know what your experience is, but I do know that in your first post you said Window Firewall is good enough, and it simply is not. You try to justify your answers with everything but facts. It is because you say it is so, well then that makes it so. I have been doing this for over 20 years and my findings are based in fact and experience. So argue all you want, it will not change the fact that you were wrong and are not "Good to go".

To the original OP, use a good commercial 3rd party Firewall and understand the risks of downloading. Do not expect to be protected if you choose to download anything to your computer from an inknown source. Case closed
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To the original OP, use a good commercial 3rd party Firewall and understand the risks of downloading. Do not expect to be protected if you choose to download anything to your computer from an inknown source. D
excellent common sense advice...
 
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