Escorting without the sex?

[Big Dog Striker]

Hotties escorting without sex.......

The Bachelor Plan :thumb:

 

[jesuschrist]

Uh, yes women are capable of making money, fyi. And there are plenty of men who go after it and try to mooch off their girlfriends/wives. Ever watched Jerry Springer?

And I'm gonna assume you don't mean that being compliant is the "right kind" of personality for both men and women...but just women? Oh the sexism! lol. I'll never understand a person who wants a submissive and brainless partner that they can control and who listens to everything they say and doesn't have a mind of their own. You essentially want a slave? That's healthy! lol. ( and not the kinky kind of slave ) Sounds like you have quite a lot of issues to work on my friend.

First of all, I wasn't talking about what I personally would want. I was talking about men in general.

Secondly, I was talking explicitly about what men would want to pay for. If they are going to pay for personality, they're not going to pay for someone who upstages them, speaks their mind, ridicules them, questions them, and tells them what to do. They can get that from an unpaid partner any old time.

Thirdly, yes of course there are some women who have enough money that they become the targets of predatory men. But that is the minority and since I was speaking generally, holding out the minority as an example wouldn't make sense. Now of course you might take issue with this generality, but it happens to be true that generally WOMEN HAVE LESS MONEY THAN MEN. That is what all this whining by women's equality is about when it comes to wages and opportunities is, isn't it? Ask yourself this, are you the type to take the position that women are economically disadvantaged compared to men? Isn't being an escort a faster way to make a lot of money that otherwise a woman would not have access to in a job that most women could attain?

 

[Smilf]

Oh brother .. the only reason why women generally make less money than men is, because generally men can't handle the fact that women are much more capable than them in a lot of area's thank you very much JESUS CHRIST! If you'd get off the control issue pot, things would be done much more efficiently and effectively, since we have a tendency to think with our actual brains unlike yourselves who let the little head rule the majority of your world.

now I'm going to try and go back to bed .. these past couple years the wind seems a bit more fierce ... woke me up!

 

[Dgodus]

Sorry but I never used my dick to balance a monthly budget, write a schedule, anticipate my stock needs, or discuse other depts issues. Gonna go ahead say that's just as bad of a generalization as jc's

 

[threepeat]

Oh brother .. the only reason why women generally make less money than men is, because generally men can't handle the fact that women are much more capable than them in a lot of area's thank you very much JESUS CHRIST! If you'd get off the control issue pot, things would be done much more efficiently and effectively, since we have a tendency to think with our actual brains unlike yourselves who let the little head rule the majority of your world.

I think women generally make less money than men in the developed world because women have children and go on maternity leave, and most jobs can't go for a year without someone doing them. So either (A) someone replaces the woman on mat leave and she comes back to find her career has been derailed, or (B) corporations don't take the chance on hiring a woman in the first place because it's against labour laws to ask someone if they want to have kids or not. And like it or not, there are some competent businessmen in the world too, and the woman would have to be pretty special to overcome that risk premium.

 

[jesuschrist]

Oh brother .. the only reason why women generally make less money than men is, because generally men can't handle the fact that women are much more capable than them in a lot of area's thank you very much JESUS CHRIST! If you'd get off the control issue pot, things would be done much more efficiently and effectively, since we have a tendency to think with our actual brains unlike yourselves who let the little head rule the majority of your world.

Oh God another raving feminazi who can't see reality.

Oh yeah that's right, we men are jealous of them so we keep their wages low. Next we're going to ban women from driving because they're too stupid to drive, then we're going to turn them all into sex slaves because we've already tricked them into thinking that wearing mini-skirts are sexy, which we created. What a warped sick world you live in. Enjoy being a victim or something?

Women are just as capable as men, not more capable. Except in gender specific areas, such as giving birth or ejaculating sperm, one gender is going to be more capable than the other.

 

[violetblake]

First of all, I wasn't talking about what I personally would want. I was talking about men in general.

Secondly, I was talking explicitly about what men would want to pay for. If they are going to pay for personality, they're not going to pay for someone who upstages them, speaks their mind, ridicules them, questions them, and tells them what to do. They can get that from an unpaid partner any old time.

Thirdly, yes of course there are some women who have enough money that they become the targets of predatory men. But that is the minority and since I was speaking generally, holding out the minority as an example wouldn't make sense. Now of course you might take issue with this generality, but it happens to be true that generally WOMEN HAVE LESS MONEY THAN MEN. That is what all this whining by women's equality is about when it comes to wages and opportunities is, isn't it? Ask yourself this, are you the type to take the position that women are economically disadvantaged compared to men? Isn't being an escort a faster way to make a lot of money that otherwise a woman would not have access to in a job that most women could attain?

I'm glad you cleared up your point, although I would still disagree with you. I don't think men in general want a "compliant" date that they're paying for. No, they wouldn't generally want someone who upstages them or ridicules them, of course. But there is an in between, and I would say with no doubt in my mind that most men like women who speak their mind and have opinions (but of course in this particular context the opinions would have to somewhat jive with the man's, and she should be tactful and classy when expressing those opinions).

In regards to money, yes overall women still do make less than men. As someone else mentioned here, that could be partly due to taking maternal leave, but I don't think that's the entire picture either. Most educated and professional women are having less kids or no kids, so even if they take maternity leave, that's one or maybe two years, spread apart, and probably within the first few years of their career anyway (this is a generalization but probably a fairly accurate one). Yet still, the amount of women in lower positions compared to senior positions is an absolutely staggering difference. I don't think that can all be attributed to taking a few years off for kids in their 20s or 30s, when you're usually in your 40s+ when senior positions become available. Just my two cents, anyway, kind of hijacked the thread here sorry, lol.

 

[shyboy123]

There is probably a market for this, but my bet is that it would take her a LONG time to cultivate a good client base and word of mouth referrals. In the meantime she would get a 10:1 ratio of inquiries, with the majority being "Does your rate include BBBJ?"

 

[DavidMR]

I think in Calgary or Toronto there might be a larger market for non-sexual escorting, to various corporate social gatherings. In Vancouver, where there are no head offices to speak of, I think the number of well-to-do men looking for a good looking young woman to accompany them to some gathering or other is going to be few and far between.

 

[Toon]

Actually there is a good market, from older gentleman. They may be married or live in a certain social class, (church going, have a status etc.) or may be shy, but probably the majority of man actually by upbringing or sense of shame cannot bring themselves to hire an escort. It does not mean they do not enjoy a females company, if packaged right. The best candidate is faithful but lonely. In fact the primary market will be out of town married businessman. Probably be of a minimum age of 40. Fifty is even better as they will be respectful and have ability to keep hands to themselves unless invited.
They cannot get enough of attention by a pretty young woman. Go to any bar in a 5 star hotel, and flirt with a businessman. Its easy, no sex required, pay attention to them and they will invite her to dinner, drinks, to see the sights, etc. they will lavish and feel guilty unless they compensate her. Of course she is not an escort so cannot act as such and take money for companionship or she becomes an escort. She is torn (or so it seems to him) . She finds him a gentleman, and loves his wisdom and would love to spend more time with him, but she cannot take day off from her job, (or variation) if she calls in sick she will be docked pay. He will be insisting to pay, to compensate her for her loss.

Sounds like a romance novel but if there is a legitimate excuse for him to be with her, he will gladly be with her and gladly pay for her time. Forget about massage or touching, just exude class and be vulnerable. He will never take advantage. It will be like old fashioned courting and flirting.
As to amount, well the amount sought needs to less then FS, as it is compensation for lost wages, or acting as a guide (legitimate) not payment for companionship or sex. (immoral just ask any wife).

I think this guys about got it. He's about described my situation. And, yes. I'd pay for non-sexual escorting. I think I'd probably enjoy a home cooked meal, some good conversation over dessert and wine. and yes, she'd have to be a total knockout and conversationally extremely engaging on order for me to feel I got my money's worth.

I'd probably go book FS elsewhere the next day, though.

So - if she's up for that... pm me. Why not - we can both TOFTT!!

 

[sweett]

I offer something like this, for men who are shy and really want to talk to a pretty girl in a safe setting, and learn about how to approach girls, meet them and things like that. Its not exactly the mainstay of my business, but I do get clients that meet me for these conversational only meetings. I also do very little (but some) biz for non-intimate dinner companionship.
Your friend could probably get work, but she'd have to be careful to do her marketing properly, think long and hard about showing her face in adds etc. I used to show my face because it makes for better photos and subsequently more business, especially if you have nice features/eyes etc - But I had a guy I worked with find my add and tell the whole company. I ultimately had to quit that job and it was not a pleasant experience. She will need to think about how to protect her privacy, unless she doesn't mind her friends and maybe even family finding out. Its surprising how judgmental people can be, and I dont recommend it.

Where will she advertise? Is she prepared to spend over $400 a month advertising a non-sexual service, not knowing if she'll get any biz? Will she advertise on escort boards, or in print? What if she meets a guy, will she tell him she dates for a living, but just as friends?

Anyway, I dont think its a bad idea There is just a lot to think about, and its worth her while to be sure before investing in adds, a website and photos etc. Do let us know how it goes for her.

 

[Pillowtalk]

I think in Calgary or Toronto there might be a larger market for non-sexual escorting, to various corporate social gatherings. In Vancouver, where there are no head offices to speak of, I think the number of well-to-do men looking for a good looking young woman to accompany them to some gathering or other is going to be few and far between.

She could probably then spend her efforts in advertising to out of towners visiting the city. Especially Japanese ones, for example, or anyone from a country where this kind of non sexual service is more common. Ads then would be posted in those countries, so a lot of research is needed.

Then someone mentioned BDSM, finally, which I agree is a good area. But not necessarily to do fetish work, altho it sounds like she might be open to foot fetish. I was thinking primarily of the clients who don't want release, just tease and denial. And then the clients that enjoy financial domination as well will pay to not do anything at all.

 

[DavidMR]

She could probably then spend her efforts in advertising to out of towners visiting the city. Especially Japanese ones, for example, or anyone from a country where this kind of non sexual service is more common. Ads then would be posted in those countries, so a lot of research is needed.

I think that's probably valid, essentially a business tourism market.

Some years ago, about 2001 or 2002, the number of head office jobs in Calgary moved well ahead of Vancouver, and they have never looked back.

 

[the old maxx50]

I am one of those guys that does pay for social time .. and it just happens to be with escorts ..
I love to be with a sexy , entertaining and informed person that can talk about any subject with out being judgmental ..

I know some f the ladies have social rate .. and when it is clearly only going to be a social outing like dinner , movie or even just out shopping or site seeing .. $100 an hr is unreasonable . $50 per hr. for a three hr date .. where . the guy is a gentlemen and understands and respects the nature of the date , is more in line ..
Openness and fun will be part of that automatically if there is any kind of chemistry between the two people . and the guy will all ways throw in more .
I would call it a true GFE .. Honestly we don't think every time we go out with a lady that we will end up having sex ( in are dreams only )

 

[DavidMR]

So... stop me if I'm wrong but the gist of it is... I would be paying a beautiful, intelligent, witty, charming young woman for me to be stuck in the friend zone with?

To me, it sounds a bit cruel bordering on a punishment to be found in hell, but I'm relatively young and still have a sex drive so probably not her target audience...

I couldn't agree more.

I am not young, but still have a sex drive, and some sense of personal self worth as well as a bit of spare cash.

 

[sevenofnine]

there is a big market in japan for this sort of thing,
and if your this type of girl its frowned on if you offer sex,
you can even loose your position
they mostly work out of certain bars an eateries not so ofton but they will accompany a client out.

i even think there is a market for young underage girls offering a friendship type service

before i started this i prefered lap dancing places.
once you get to know the girls they would just sit with you all night long.
i would get drunk and talk and be stupid and i had a pretty almost naked girl to keep me company.

funny someones comment just get married,

at one time i guess i could have did it, before i started paying for sex.
i couldn't pay for a womens time now, and not be able to touch her and get off.


actually its funny, but for some reason, im not really that much interested in paying for anything any more.
and i dropped alot of money into this,
but now,
wierd the way my thought process has changed

and yeah i kind of was curious about geisha and i guess orginally they just offered a high class companion and entertainment.

i remember seeing a sight of a sixteen year old israeli girl, it was her dream to become a geisha she was studying all the rituals. and it was for sure non sexual.
she passed away unfortunatly,

 

[thebuttdance]

uhh why don't those lonely guys just get a girlfriend!

 

[LittleAsianGuy]

i get social dates free from the strictly platonic section of craigslist(they also pay their own way).

 

[Dickson]

Ms Taylor,

This is not that uncommon. I have used women like this for many functions. I just had a lady join me for a night at the Opera in Prague. I hate to eat alone so I will call up ladies like this to go for dinner with or fund raisers I have to go to. Sometimes I want some down time so I will have a lady like this to join me. However I will be honest I tend to take FS providers out just incase there is a connection. Or I will see the lady for dinner if I get excited I will call a full service provider after. I have even paid one of these ladies to join me but we hit it off so we ended up in a full service which she normaly does not do. It really depends on the lady and how I am feeling. If I pay a tour guide or a translator I pay more than a $50 to $100. So I do not see the big deal.

My point is that guys like me will spend money on a lady like this for formal functions or even to tour the city meet with clients and get the lay of the land. Not just the lay of the bed. For those guy who think this is crazy what can I say. Welcome to my world.

 

[Dickson]

Ms Taylor,

This is not that uncommon. I have used women like this for many functions. I just had a lady join me for a night at the Opera in Prague. I hate to eat alone so I will call up ladies like this to go for dinner with or fund raisers I have to go to. Sometimes I want some down time so I will have a lady like this to join me. However I will be honest I tend to take FS providers out just incase there is a connection. Or I will see the lady for dinner if I get excited I will call a full service provider after. I have even paid one of these ladies to join me but we hit it off so we ended up in a full service which she normaly does not do. It really depends on the lady and how I am feeling. If I pay a tour guide or a translator I pay more than a $50 to $100. So I do not see the big deal.

My point is that guys like me will spend money on a lady like this for formal functions or even to tour the city meet with clients and get the lay of the land. Not just the lay of the bed. For those guy who think this is crazy what can I say. Welcome to my world.

Oh one other thing with my size I have a number of ladies on PERB that cannot provide full service but are willing to go for dinner or go out with me on a social date but cannot provide full service to me. I think most of them would at a reduced rate but I did not confirm that. So it does happen in Vancouver already.