enough with the asian ads

[double j]

nothing against Asian girls in general, there are a lot of cute ones out there. but
cl in Vancouver has so many Asian ads that get repeated over and over, floods out the rest of the ads. besides a lot of the Asian ads turn out to be scam, most common one is, the pics don't match the sp's. since they try the "bait and switch scam". all you have to do is read the Vancouver review area. i don't mind going for an Asian sp but i have become so cautious about it, that i decided to skip all Asians in general and go with other cultures instead, and if everybody would do that, it would maybe reduce the all the bogus Asian ads all together. but maybe I'm just having a wishful dream

 

[Fred Zed]

that i decided to skip all Asians in general and go with other cultures instead, and if everybody would do that, it would maybe reduce the all the bogus Asian ads all together. but maybe I'm just having a wishful dream

Pretty much with all escorts ads you have to search the ads very carefully to find what you are looking for - it does not make much difference what nationality the advertiser is. Since it must cost a lot money to run those ads
I would assume someone is making money from from them, perhaps those places are open longer hours than others.

 

[double j]

asians

i agree but if you in the cl website you"ll see the higher percentage added by the asian ones compared to the other ones

 

[henryhill]

Since it must cost a lot money to run those ads
I would assume someone is making money from from them, perhaps those places are open longer hours than others.

It costs money to place an ad on CL? I thought it was free.

BTW, who the heck are you?

 

[Fred Zed]

It costs money to place an ad on CL? BTW, who the heck are you?

CL is free but pretty much a lot of CL ads are hit or miss.
Someone is bound to have more ads than others. So again it does
does not matter what nationality the advertiser is. You have to search for what you want carefully.
Why do you care who I am ? ..I am not in the mood to ban anyone today.

i agree but if you in the cl website you"ll see the higher percentage added by the asian ones compared to the other ones

so ? what's the importance of the statistic ?

 

[HeMadeMeDoIt]

CL ads are free. I do think a lot of the asian girls have their papasan posting for them as i often see ads being posted at 3-4am for a girl that wont be on until 10-11 am.

 

[Fred Zed]

I do think a lot of the asian girls have their papasan posting for them as i often see ads being posted at 3-4am for a girl that wont be on until 10-11 am.

same with other agencies, not just asian. Mostly the agency operator is posting the ads.
same here on PERB.

 

[double j]

true but

it's true what you guys are saying there are also other nationalities posing scams but if you check all the cl sites from other cities. you"ll notice less Asians and less daily repeat adds. and yes the papasans and mamasans are the folks posting the ads in a very aggressive manner. and the end result is a flooded cl website

 

[john23]

some stats

I've been downloading a classifying CL ads now for more than a year. Here are some stats:

Number of providers (or agencies) that identify themselves as "asian":
546

Number of providers etc that do not identify themselves as asian:
2798

Number of posts from "asian" providers:
57475

Number of posts from non-asian providers:
115707

Ratio of posts to provider:
non-asian: 41
asian: 105

Also, I've done some analysis of how often a provider gets flagged and found (valid at least for Jan this year) that you are 50% less likely to get flagged if you have the word "asian" somewhere in you ad.

BTW the reason I developed this is that I wanted to reduce the number of redundant / not interesting ads that I had to wade through before finding someone but then later thought it might be useful to keep track of how CL is being used particularly because its largely replaced the stroll as a place to meet up with SPs. I wish the CL management would take it more seriously and make more fair and equitable posting rules as there are genuine safety issues involved here.

BTW John Lowman has done similar work wrt street based workers and I am donating the collected data to help with his research efforts. I have over a year's worth of data - Mar 2007 to now.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

I've been downloading a classifying CL ads now for more than a year. Here are some stats:

Number of providers (or agencies) that identify themselves as "asian":
546

Number of providers etc that do not identify themselves as asian:
2798

Number of posts from "asian" providers:
57475

Number of posts from non-asian providers:
115707

Ratio of posts to provider:
non-asian: 41
asian: 105

So there are far less asian providers but they post more than twice as much as the non asians sp's do?

I'm assuming this is data from the ads that are NOT flagged/deleted and doesn't include the flagged/deleted ads?
Would you explain the gap in the ratio of posts to provider is most likely a result of the amount of non asian sp ads that end up flagged and deleted..?

Also, I've done some analysis of how often a provider gets flagged and found (valid at least for Jan this year) that you are 50% less likely to get flagged if you have the word "asian" somewhere in you ad.

Just curious..
By saying ' if you have the word asian somewhere is your ad'.. do you mean:
- if you're asian (and specify so in your ad)? or
- you just have the word 'asian' somewhere in there?

Is it worded like that just because that's the way data was collected. Can you clarify this part?


Thanks for the stats, pretty interesting stuff! I agree that something should be done about rules and guidelines on CL.
The new 'phone number authentication' is a joke and the flagging occurrences of non-asian sp's are absolutely ridiculous.
And there is actually no way of getting in contact with anyone from CL to have something answered or reviewed,
all you get is an auto response email with no follow up whatsoever. I guess you get what you pay for... but very frustrating nonetheless!


But I want to note that the flagging problem is also present for many other cities, so I'm not sure what that says about this. For example, the Montreal section: I've tried in the past and didn't have any issues however now that it has become much more popular (there were hardly any ads just a year ago and now it's used by many SP's and agencies), I tried a few times this past month and all ads were flagged/deleted within an hour. There aren't many (if any at all) asian providers posting in the Montreal section.

So who is flagging? I'm not sure it's all posters, agencies or providers..

 

[henryhill]

Why do you care who I am ? ..I am not in the mood to ban anyone today.

It's a joke dude. Lighten up a bit. Besides, I am not in the mood to ban anyone either. So watch your step people.

 

[double j]

ok another stat

i checked how many pages it takes to complete a days full off ads by city Montreal Calgary, Ottawa Edmonton all only needed 1 page and you started reading ads from the next day, Vancouver i counted 5 pages Toronto 4, i could understand Toronto because of it's population. Montreal is bigger than Vancouver but yet it only needed 1 page instead of Vancouver's 5 pages. what I'm trying to say is that craigslist in Vancouver is flooded by repeat ads, and most repeat ads i see are from Asian sp's. so please get it. if we don't like your ad the first time, don't bother putting 10 more we still aren't interested. it's taking us forever to get through them and the good ones are buried in it.

 

[bcneil]

It gets pretty bad
I have seen the same asian provider post 62 times one day
I actually spent the time to count.

 

[FortunateOne]

If there are 5-6 girls in one place, why not just post one ad that says 5-6 available today? Wouldn't that be just as attractive to anyone perusing the ads, in fact knowing that there will be choices if you go there? Why post individual ads throughout the day, that's what I don't get.

re: flagging, I think if you read the info on the erotic services entry page, you can read up on PICS, which is some sort of filter. If you can figure out the level of the filter or the naughty words it might be targetting, you might be able to bypass the auto flag system. (nekkid pictures included) Then it'll be up to the community before your ad gets deleted (I read a lot )

Erotic services and Pets for sale seem to be the two main flag areas, followed for some reason by motorcycles for sale. These posters (if you look at flag help or help forums) seem to always have trouble. (nobody seems to be able to get any help on these forums, but they are fun to read -- yes, I have too much time on my hands, usually avoiding real work lol)

Unfortunately, the asian ad posters will not be convinced by the consumers to change their posting habits -- they are competing with each others ads & probably have little interest taking it down a notch.

 

[Fred Zed]

Unfortunately, the asian ad posters will not be convinced by the consumers to change their posting habits -- they are competing with each others ads & probably have little interest taking it down a notch.

yes, but as I said before , since it's a free site someone will always have more ads
than somone else. The lead posters are simply putting a free resource to maximum use.
If the Asians were to stop posting tomorrow
someone else would be the lead poster. Plus since CL don't get paid for the ads I don't know why anyone would expect them to waste their time policing the ads. The only time CL pay any attention is when something that's brought to their attention is a police or legal matter.