Enough is enough!!

[dirtydan]

Jealousy behind this?

The CBC ran a report with an interesting angle to this bomb plot discovered by the UK authorities, that is jealousy. Al Qaida, and specifically Osama bin Laden, could be jealous of the attention Hezbollah and its leader have been getting in the international media. So feeling a little neglected one of the organization's cells undertakes this bomb plot. Shit, who knows if there were really bombs as maybe the whole damn plot was just an attention grabber?

 

[planetsmurf]

Ignorance breeds fear..


this so called terrorist plot came at a good time.. a time when the heat is/was on the zionist empire of Israel , the chicken hawks and the mutt of tony blair.

Unfortunately this olde tale will go on and on.. Everytime theres an issue that could bring light to the world on the corruption and scandals of western governments, something like this comes to the news.

I have always wondered, why go through all the hassle of bombing an airline when you know that security at the airport is extremelly tight? this is a macabre sort of scenario, but wouldnt it be easier to hijack a simple gas truck , drop a home made igniter in the tank and slam into a shopping mall full of christmas shoppers?

hell, hijack two trucks... after all theres gas station at most street corner.. by the time the cops react to the hicjack event, it will be too late....

but back to the airliners...

could it be that this sort of event causes shock world wide? airports around the globe goes into high red alert..every body afraid, very afraid..... airports shutsddown, news all over the place....

sounds too interesting...


" the unknown messanger"

i think one of the reasons why they want to hijack an airplane and bring it down is that they know bringing down an airplane will strike more fear in people and will recieve the most coverage in the media. the one thing the media loves to do is have special names for wars or events and what not.

 

[metoo113]

Hmmmm...you are not talking about the Freemasons are you Moose? Now that you mention it; I am pretty sure they are all white Christian men! Most likely they are busy masterminding sinister terrorist plots from the sanctity of their lodges. I was driving by the local Masonic Lodge the other day in my 1981 Volvo station wagon (flying my Hezbollah flags and proudly displaying a picture of Sheik Hassan Nasrallah in the back window) and I am pretty sure one of those old bastards waved his cane at me in a threatning manner!

Actually a freemason can be of any faith, christian, muslim, etc. As long as they believe in a God.

 

[gravitas]

Hate feels good, eh?

hate has nothing to do with it....its the reality that there is an easily identifiable group of people who intend to do the western world harm....with their fanatical views peace is not an option, we kill them before they kill us

It is times like these that civil liberties are most important, as to counter the sheer idiotic lunacy by people eager for a police state

Who in this thread has been eager for a police state? Of course civil liberties are important but what you don't seem to acknowledge is that at times the rights of the individuals need to be moderated to insure the safety of the greater population....if that means the government needs to exercise greater diligence in the access of its citizens by means of identity cards, heightened transport security, etc. then so be it

west's control over ME oil for the better part of a century?

If it was as simple as control of oil & NG then you'd have GWB and his ilk breaking down the border and invading Alberta, Saskatchewan, Northern BC. I agree that the current situation is in part a result of American foreign policy but you can't escape the fact that there's a large group of Muslims who have chosen a path of war and hate for reasons not related to oil or the west.

Lock up all those Nips arr Muslims for bombing Pearl Harbour arr New York.

You lock up or eliminate anyone who's a threat to the safety and security of your countries population.

Racial profiling was NOT RIGHT THEN AND IS NOT RIGHT NOW.

Don't confuse criminal profiling with racism, the two are fundamentally different. When the VPD and RCMP finally took the DTES missing women seriously they started to profile the likely suspects and Pickton was close to a spot on match. The same can be said about the terrorists wishing to do us harm.

You cannot judge the many on the actions of a few

No one has suggested that all Muslims are guilty or should be judged because of the actions of a minority. However the majority are to some extent complicit in these acts given their silence and lack of condemnation for those responsible. The same could be said for German civilians after WW2 who chose not to speak or act out against the Nazi atrocities.

NO details about the weapon.
NO details about the discovery process.
NO details about the arrested suspects.

Its been less then 24 hours since this went publicw, what would you like the authorities to do? Release the exact nature of the weapon so every lunatic can cook it up in their garage? As for the other details there's due process that will be followed....if in a month they haven't released the names of those charged and greater details of the investigation then continue bitching, otherwise STFU

a time when the heat is/was on the zionist empire of Israel , the chicken hawks and the mutt of tony blair

so says the bin laden apologist.....crawl back to your cave

you are not talking about the Freemasons are you......flying my Hezbollah flags and proudly displaying a picture of Sheik Hassan Nasrallah in the back window

If you think the Masons are behind any conspiracy theories you've been watching too many episodes of the Simpsons....as for Nasrallah, FUCK YOURSELF! He's a terrorist plain and simple and for you to support him makes you a terrorist.

I think these people are praise worthy at least they ahve the balls to put their own lives on the line

you can also go and fuck yourself....none of the assholes are praise worthy, to suggest something so stupid would be akin to claiming that hitler was a hero of germany.....NEITHER could be further from the truth

*edited by gravitas to remove hamster brain and asshole references

 

[Rod Steel]

hate has nothing to do with it....its the reality that there is an easily identifiable group of people who intend to do the western world harm....with their fanatical views peace is not an option, we kill them before they kill us



Who in this thread has been eager for a police state? Of course civil liberties are important but what you don't seem to acknowledge is that at times the rights of the individuals need to be moderated to insure the safety of the greater population....if that means the government needs to exercise greater diligence in the access of its citizens by means of identity cards, heightened transport security, etc. then so be it



If it was as simple as control of oil & NG then you'd have GWB and his ilk breaking down the border and invading Alberta, Saskatchewan, Northern BC. I agree that the current situation is in part a result of American foreign policy but you can't escape the fact that there's a large group of Muslims who have chosen a path of war and hate for reasons not related to oil or the west.



You lock up or eliminate anyone who's a threat to the safety and security of your countries population.



Don't confuse criminal profiling with racism, the two are fundamentally different. When the VPD and RCMP finally took the DTES missing women seriously they started to profile the likely suspects and Pickton was close to a spot on match. The same can be said about the terrorists wishing to do us harm.



No one has suggested that all Muslims are guilty or should be judged because of the actions of a minority. However the majority are to some extent complicit in these acts given their silence and lack of condemnation for those responsible. The same could be said for German civilians after WW2 who chose not to speak or act out against the Nazi atrocities.



Its been less then 24 hours since this went public you hamster brain? What would you like the authorities to do? Release the exact nature of the weapon so every lunatic can cook it up in their garage? As for the other details there's due process that will be followed....if in a month they haven't released the names of those charged and greater details of the investigation then continue bitching, otherwise STFU



so says the bin laden apologist.....crawl back to your cave asshole



You're such a fucking tool it makes my head hurt. If you think the Masons are behind any conspiracy theories you've been watching too many episodes of the Simpsons....as for Nasrallah, FUCK YOURSELF! He's a terrorist plain and simple and for you to support him makes you a terrorist.



you can also go and fuck yourself....none of the asshole are praise worthy, to suggest something so stupid would be akin to claiming that hitler was a hero of germany.....NEITHER could be further from the truth

DITTO THAT!!!

 

[georgebushmoron]

I think these people are praise worthy at least they ahve the balls to put their own lives on the line for the faith and convictions as opposed to just send out young boys and girls who really dont believe in the war on terror.

I wouldn't go so far as saying it is praise worthy, but it is understandable that they have gone to extremes. People seem to forget that there has been centuries of repression by the West (and now by Israel) of Arabic culture. They decree that Arabic lands should be free from foreign control, and want foreigners out. There are approximately 300 U.S. military bases in the Middle East (not including Israel), and these bases are secret and have been sanctioned by those respective governments. Those governments are corrupt and greedy, and though they are rich from oil, do not trickle down the wealth to the average Arab. The average Arab civilian lives in 3rd world conditions yet their countries are the most resource rich in the world. Thus it's no surprise that elements of Arabian society want foreign control out. Any Chinese, Korean, Japanese, German, Frenchman, Englishman, etc. should understand this: when foreign powers have unwanted military bases and greatly repress the citizens, there will be violent opposition to oust them. This is exactly what is happening today.

If you look at the number of times the western nations have ignored or contravened international treaties and laws for the sake of preserving the historical sturctures of power it is difficult not the call them the true terrorists. This is perhaps one of the most prominent features of interstate relations in our century yet never question it because it's done in the name of terms that we identify with such as freedom and demoncrazy. Just look at the history again and again in Guatemala, the Phillpines, Iran...

Democracy is the myth we purport to encourage upon others. It is only something western governments seem to be interested for themselves, but when other countries have a true chance at democracy, the west want to influence (or even control) the outcome. Were Argentina to try to influence American elections like the US has attempted to force an outcome in Argentina, there would have been a great outcry. But western citizens seem to forget that.

 

[georgebushmoron]

Is it possible, just maybe, that there really are people out there who want to kill us. I know that makes me paranoid, but I do not undersatand how some people can think that this threat is not real.

Of course they want to kill us! We've been killing them for centuries... this is called payback my friend.

 

[OTBn]

Its been less then 24 hours since this went public you hamster brain? What would you like the authorities to do? Release the exact nature of the weapon so every lunatic can cook it up in their garage? As for the other details there's due process that will be followed....if in a month they haven't released the names of those charged and greater details of the investigation then continue bitching, otherwise STFU

... followed like the Club Gitmo due process?

well, lookee here: since the U.S. Supreme Court wrapped the Bush administrations knuckles over it's plan to try Guantanamo Bay detainees in military tribunals (that it violates Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions), seems they're now trying to limit the War Crimes Act through legislation... drafting amendments to the War Crimes Act that would retroactively protect policymakers from possible criminal charges for authorizing any humiliating and degrading treatment of detainees. Oh my - isn't it just due process?

(edited - re: Aug 10 AP newswire story " Retroactive War Crime Protection Proposed")

 

[geophil]

MODERATOR,don't you think this nonsence of people putting in racial comments have GONE TOO FAR. I am disappointed you allowed it,in the first place.Please pull the zipper,enclose the entire contents of all the postings in this site, and throw it into the garbage.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

[OTBn]

MODERATOR,don't you think this nonsence of people putting in racial comments have GONE TOO FAR. I am disappointed you allowed it,in the first place.Please pull the zipper,enclose the entire contents of all the postings in this site, and throw it into the garbage.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.

racial comments

 

[BcMod]

Watching this thread.....

I am keeping an eye on this thread. Mostly a good discussion, with different view points. I have deleted 2 posts, one referring to terrorists as praise worthy (sorry, just couldn't stomache that, no matter what your belief system, murder is murder) and the other where one member slammed another - I won't let this turn into our own little war.

Different views are welcome, when respectfully stated and are not outrageous.

 

[Jub]

Gravitas

Why would GWB invade western Canada for oil and gas when he can just take it, because we give it to them so easily and cheaply.

Also wouldn't you fight againist the western world if you saw them invade countries like afghanistan, iraq,and lebanon and stick there nose where it doesn't belong.

And finally if it wasn't for the US and the Jews wanting control of the middle east why don't they go sort out the mess in Africa with dictators and civil wars and genocide?

just a couple thoughts

 

[Ilovethemall]

curious

I am always curious why, when it is pointed out that the folks trying to kill us are Muslim that the charge of racism is immediately used.

...and again, if the people within the community don't speak out against the extremists, they are either condoning it - in which case profile them too - or, they are so afraid of radical elements within their own community that they stay silent out of fear. If they are staying silent out of fear, then what does that say about all the community? If you knew someone was going to blow some stuff up I hope you would call the cops - if you don't, isn't that considered being an accessory to murder?

....as far as timing goes and this being "fake"...were the bombs in Madrid fake? Was the bombing in London fake? The other reason I cannot believe this is a conspiracy is that it is too hard to shut people up - all you need is one moron that blabs and the lid is off the whole thing.

Civil liberties should be reduced for the greater good of society if it is required. I travel A LOT, and I went through the process of getting background checked to use the NEXUS/CANPASS terminals at the airport.....old story, if you have nothing to hide, let them dig all they want. If clerics are preaching hate, in our country, against our society, then they need to be shut down.

It's a war kids, you play to win.

 

[gravitas]

It's too bad they have no real leader, or their own Martin Luther King, any idot cleric can issue a Fatwah and call the masses to arms

Thats exactly the problem. If an Imam has his turban in a knot over something the west, or even another Muslim (i.e. Salmond Rushdie) then out comes the rhetoric, burning of flags, firing of guns into the air, calls for death, blah blah blah. There's no living central figure head in the Muslim religion who can provide guidance for its followers. That and as a religion its such a fractured group between Sunni's, Shi'a, etc with each of them having their own political and religious agenda.

The moderate muslims don't even support anyone speaking against Hezbola or other terrorist groups, nor do they speak out for peace or reason. They have no voice of moderation at all, its all about hate and kill the infidels, face it we are at war and it looks like WW3 is well under way!

EXACTLY! When ever there's been a terrorist attack and then the expected reply and condemnation from the various politicians the "moderate" Muslims don't come out in anger of the terrorists activities but rather slam the western leader. FUCK ME, if it is a peaceful religion as the moderates would have us believe then why aren't they proactively helping to stop the terrorism vs. bitching about profiling.

because we give it to them so easily and cheaply.

Pardon? How are we "giving" it away and how is it "cheap".....oil is bought and sold on a global market and the price of crude coming from Saudis is the same as the price of crude coming from Alberta.

I am always curious why, when it is pointed out that the folks trying to kill us are Muslim that the charge of racism is immediately used.

...and again, if the people within the community don't speak out against the extremists, they are either condoning it - in which case profile them too - or, they are so afraid of radical elements within their own community that they stay silent out of fear. If they are staying silent out of fear, then what does that say about all the community? If you knew someone was going to blow some stuff up I hope you would call the cops - if you don't, isn't that considered being an accessory to murder?

Those my friend are the tough questions that no one, at least from the Muslim side of things, wants to answer.

 

[bernini]

Don't be afraid. And don't believe everything you hear on the news. All that Airplane high-jacking in London is horseshit. Nobody is trying to high-jack or blow-up a damn thing. Just take a look around you and see for yourself. Don't let the media make decisions for you. When you experience terrorism first-hand, then you can be afraid. This London-baloney is nothing but more fuel being added to the fear-machine. I don't buy it for a second. Muslims are wonderful people.

Can anybody on this board honestly say that they have been terrorized by somebody in the Muslim community? With 25,000 members here on perb I would think that there must be at least one.

 

[Batman02]

Can anybody on this board honestly say that they have been terrorized by somebody in the Muslim community? With 25,000 members here on perb I would think that there must be at least one.

Yes I have. One of my family friend was one of the victims who were killed in the Christmas Eve bombings 2000 in Indonesia. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1086275.stm

And what do you think about how the families of these 3 girls feel after their daughters were kidnapped and beheaded on their way to school? Their heads were found later in front of a church? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4387604.stm

And what about the people of Moluccas? http://www.islamonline.net/IOL-English/dowalia/news-2000-May-31/topnews3.asp

 

[bernini]

I feel badly that there are some sick and twisted people in the world. And they do some pretty horrific things to say the least. Maybe even a handful of them could be of a radical religious descent. Like Roman Catholic or Jewish. Possibly even Muslim. But I don't buy into Airplane Hi-Jacking faslities and International scare tactics for a second.

 

[metoo113]

Can anybody on this board honestly say that they have been terrorized by somebody in the Muslim community? With 25,000 members here on perb I would think that there must be at least one.

And how many have been terrorized by Christian terrorists?

 

[Ilovethemall]

have you ever been?

Dude, have you ever been to a Muslim country? I have and when they get to protesting in the streets - you haven't seen anything like it before.

I'm sure the Nazi's had a group of people that didn't think they were doing anything bad during WW2 - guess we saw how that turned out huh?

 

[bernini]

Yes. I have been to a Muslim country. Several of them in fact. It changed my life. And it was those experiences that really opened my eyes to the People and the Faith. They are passionate, educated, reasonable people. And if you think that they are out of line with what it is that YOU find to be acceptable behaviour, consider some of the abuse they have suffered under foreign Christian facsist governments from overseas. Dropping bombs, murdering innocent civilians, stealing oil, overthrowing governments. A few thousand people singing and chanting in the streets and burning a few flags is to be expected. Even encouraged. I would be throwing rocks too. Who the can blame them?

If a militia moved into your neighborhood and destroyed your communities and killed and tortured your neighbours, friends or even your children, how would you react? Would you sit back and welcome the invasion? Or would you fight for your land, your money, your women? They are human beings just like you. And why should they accept what it is that we are trying to force on them?