Do you have any sympathy for Canada Post Workers?

[storm rider]

Ok I will straight out say I have NONE.Nor do I have any "sympathy" for the Public Sector Union members of Canada Post.

The last time the CUPW had negotiations they as a Union had to give up their "banked" sick days....as in "bank" say 10 sick days a year over 25 years and on your final year you go on "stress leave" for 9 months.....then take your 4 weeks
of PAID vacation....show up for a month maybe and get your golden handshake.....on the tax payer dime.

I have no "sympathy" for the CUPW nor ANY public sector worker be they Civic/Provincial/Federal......they are ALL under-worked and over-paid and the benefits are just plain off the chart.

SR

 

[80watts]

Banked sick days are a good idea. If you get 10 sick days a year; If you don't use them you could bank them, in case you broke your leg on the job or had an illness that kept you in bed for 2 months. With advanced health care and improvement of working conditions employers are keen to get rid of Banked sick days, due to the cost of money to be paid out at retirement (starting wage compared to several jumps in pay due to promotion/inflation). A use them (sick day) or lose them attitude is what happening now.

Some years ago a friend pointed out to me that after WW2, for the returning veterans that were injured, Canada post was a place for them to work. In the past unions fought for benefits and got them because they were justified. And it seemed people (management and workers ) wanted to work together to make a better workplace.

Canada post when I was growing up, I believe was always losing money, there were lots of strikes at Christmas time. The Union was the bad guy....

You have to perform to a certain level or quota, or you have 15 minutes for this task, human being are not robots and can;t keep following the previous criteria; and do that through an 8 hours day consistently. You just go nuts...

CUPW plays a small role on how other government departments get paid, especially the military, like cost of inflation raises etc. The military can't strike and say they want a better rate of pay, its the other gov departments that when they get a raise, the military can too. it sometimes happens in reverse too.

Yes Unions are hard to deal with at times, but if they easily rolled over our standard of living would be lower....

As for under worked and over paid civil employees, I disagree that is just a way to bad mouth government workers cause its just a general statement that does not apply to the majority of the workers. They would all own houses and have them paid off, vacations every year, a new car every other year, have perfect health and be stress free etc. Doesn't sound like a government worker to me....

 

[Lets Review]

I understand why you didn't post on the other thread SR, too many reasonable opinions. I guess this is the thread for making up shit and then expecting "sympathy" for lies, In that vein;

Postal workers are paid $1.00 a day for a 26 hour shift with no breaks all while carrying managers in their arms so that they can berate the worker constantly. Thank goodness they can walk into the office and shout "stress leave" and be off for as long as they want.

That has as much basis in fact as the made up shit you posted.

 

[overdone]

That has as much basis in fact as the made up shit you posted.

while they might have some actual workplace issues

it's hard to have sympathy for an organization/union that allows "shit" like you hear in the news

like the steps to a house, after 49yrs suddenly are an inch to high for mail delivery

a dog in the neighborhood, behind a fence, but it could get out, it barks after-all, so no one gets their mail on the whole block

or how a bird, that's nesting in a tree on the sidewalk is a danger to a mailman, so again, no mail

that isn't made up shit, it's just a couple of examples of how the postal union operates

it's a job anyone can do, if you can stand upright, have basic reading skills

not that they get that right always, like you've never gotten someone's mail that didn't live there, wrong address, different name, lol

 

[Gardener]

I have no "sympathy" for the CUPW nor ANY public sector worker be they Civic/Provincial/Federal......they are ALL under-worked and over-paid and the benefits are just plain off the chart.

SR[/QUOTE]

What stupid nonsense you spew. I am very close with people employed in the public sector. They have extremely challenging and stressful jobs and work long hours. Many of us wouldn’t want their jobs. Please don’t lump these people in with the so-called lazy union members you speak of. Btw every industry, profession, union etc has good and bad people, maybe one day you outta learn the skill of differentiation.

 

[westwoody]

Letter Carrier looks easy. Reality is a lot different.
First, it isn't just "walking". There is a lot of sorting and procedures with different kinds of mail, stuff that has to be signed for, handling cash for COD's and Customs. And you might be "walking"in pouring rain, minus 30C, darkness, climbing over snowbanks or icy sidewalks.
A letter carrier in Vancouver was on his last week of the job, back in the 80s. Slipped on some ice, fell backwards, hit his head on the sidewalk and died.
A neighbour of mine was a carrier. He got bit by a dog and had to have plastic surgery. The dog did NOT bark, and it bit him while he was in the next door neighbour's yard. He said he never saw it or heard it, it came up behind him and bit his calf. Took all the flesh off, he showed me after they took his bandages off you could see his muscle right under the skin. Another carrier here in Winnipeg got bit, in court his doctor said the bite was almost the size of an orange. The guy was messed up for months and the post office sued the owner for a lot.
Dog bites and walking, bit more to it than you think.
A current issue is forced overtime.
Many letter carrier routes are too long for the carrier to complete in 8 hours. Other carriers may be forced to do part of the route after doing their own.
A carrier I talked to today is a single dad. He has to pick up his kid after his shift. Sometimes he is on his way home and they call him to come back for two hours. He has to go back or get fired. Five refusals (I think) is the limit in one year. So you see carriers doing walks at 8pm wearing a miner's lamp. That is ridiculous.
Yeah all this looks easy for some lazy dogger working at a desk.
The real question: if it is so easy, why aren't they doing it?

 

[westwoody]

employers are keen to get rid of Banked sick days, due to the cost of money to be paid out at retirement

Postal workers do not get their sick leave paid out.
The story of six months off before retirement is not true.
When they go off they have to use disability insurance, then go on long term disability if over a certain duration. The insurance company calls them almost every day and requires doctor visits to get them back to work. They get about 60-70% pay, so there would be no point because an actual pension would be almost as much or the same, with less hassle.

 

[80watts]

Sorry wasn't thinking. WW you are correct
I should of specified that the money paid out at retirement would be the sick leave used up just before retirement. So you worked 20 years and your saved 5 sick days every year for a total of 100 days (work days). At the end of your time you are making more in year 20 (per hour) then you did when you started; and the 100 days is another 100 days of employment you don't work but get paid at the higher wage and adds 100 day to you pensionable time. Although
some employers pay out the saved sick days at a reduced rate, depending on agreement on retirement.


Also most people don't use their sick days for themselves, alot of the time is to stay at home and look after their kids. With the added chance of catching the flu the kid has...

Hate to say but kids are germ factories, they go to school and collect them. Yup parents send their sick kids to school... cause they have to work.... life fun isn't it??

 

[Cock Throppled]

Why would anyone start a separate thread on a subject already being discussed, unless they were incapable of voicing logical points instead of pointless right wing rhetoric?

 

[Forum mod]

This is headed for the ditch. There's a ton of misinformation and outright lies posted here, we have enough flame wars going on. Thread closed.