Discussion - TESTING and SAFE-SEX
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In Europe it's considered a RED FLAG when an SP offers BBFS.
An incident recently happened in Europe where an SP offered BBFS AFTER SHE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH HIV!!!
In her despair, she purposely gave it to her clients and was arrested and charged not long after. Because that country regulates prostitution, as a WARNING to the public, the media advertised the SP's photo, real name, and the various names she used in the community.
An incident recently happened in Europe where an SP offered BBFS AFTER SHE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH HIV!!!
In her despair, she purposely gave it to her clients and was arrested and charged not long after. Because that country regulates prostitution, as a WARNING to the public, the media advertised the SP's photo, real name, and the various names she used in the community.
Oh how many men was she able to infect???? Can't wait to hearIn Europe it's considered a RED FLAG when an SP offers BBFS.
An incident recently happened in Europe where an SP offered BBFS AFTER SHE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH HIV!!!
In her despair, she purposely gave it to her clients and was arrested and charged not long after. Because that country regulates prostitution, as a WARNING to the public, the media advertised the SP's photo, real name, and the various names she used in the community.
Too soon to tell how many were infected.Oh how many men was she able to infect???? Can't wait to hear
I don't think the information has been made available to the public. I may need to cross reference sourcesSo none then.
I'll see what I can find out
The reason I ask, is because a lot of the time stories like this are urban legends.I don't think the information has been made available to the public. I may need to cross reference sources
I'll see what I can find out
Statistically for a women with hiv to pass the disease to a male through bbfs, the odds are around 1 in 2000 to 1 in 10,000 depends on the source.
So when the story winds up with the women infecting dozens of men, you know the story is fake.
A few months ago on this site, someone claimed they knew an SP in Europe again, who was infected with HIV.
The customer did in on purpose with a condom he poked pins holes in. Apparently he infected 5 women in mere months.
Statistically not really possible, but people buy into it.
Hep C is very unlikely to be transmitted via sex. Although when i've had STI testing done in BC, or overseas, Hep C is included by the doctor without me specificly requesting it. Yet it is not even mentioned on this test list from the Health Nurse:It isn't just hiv you need to worry about. Hep C would be as bad a diagnosis. Anyone think a lung transplant is no big deal.
http://healthnurse.wordpress.com/faq-about-sexual-health/3-getting-tested/
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I haven`t seen any studies estimating 1 in 10,000, although Wiki had the 1 in 2000 figure for some time, until recently changing their table on transmission rates. Are you aware of the following 2008 "Meta-analysis" that concluded:The reason I ask, is because a lot of the time stories like this are urban legends.
Statistically for a women with hiv to pass the disease to a male through bbfs, the odds are around 1 in 2000 to 1 in 10,000 depends on the source.
So when the story winds up with the women infecting dozens of men, you know the story is fake.
A few months ago on this site, someone claimed they knew an SP in Europe again, who was infected with HIV.
The customer did in on purpose with a condom he poked pins holes in. Apparently he infected 5 women in mere months.
Statistically not really possible, but people buy into it.
"Our findings suggest that in many contexts – particularly in the absence of male circumcision or in the presence of STIs, anal sex, or early or late infection – the heterosexual infectivity of HIV-1 may exceed the commonly cited value of 0·001 (1 in 1000) by more than an order of magnitude."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2744983/
"Risk increases in the presence of many sexually transmitted infections[96] and genital ulcers. [92] Genital ulcers increase the risk approximately five fold[92] and there is a lesser increase in risk from STIs such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, trichomoniasis, and bacterial vaginosis. [94]Rough sex also appears to increase the risk. [97]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV
Based on this info it seems the rate of someone trying to infect others could easily be around 1 in 200 or even more dangerous than that should they also use extreme measures, sex practices besides BBFS, or non sexual methods of transmission.
For more opinions re studies, transmission rates and HIV serialists:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...to-BBFS-WTF!&p=1269183&viewfull=1#post1269183
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...to-BBFS-WTF!&p=1269107&viewfull=1#post1269107
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The reason I ask, is because a lot of the time stories like this are urban legends.
Statistically for a women with hiv to pass the disease to a male through bbfs, the odds are around 1 in 2000 to 1 in 10,000 depends on the source.
So when the story winds up with the women infecting dozens of men, you know the story is fake.
A few months ago on this site, someone claimed they knew an SP in Europe again, who was infected with HIV.
The customer did in on purpose with a condom he poked pins holes in. Apparently he infected 5 women in mere months.
Statistically not really possible, but people buy into it.
I don't know what you mean by 'statistically not really possible", when the facts that it actually happened is staring right at you.
Last time I checked, statistics aren't reality, only possibility.
Internet rumours are now fact....okay.I don't know what you mean by 'statistically not really possible", when the facts that it actually happened is staring right at you.
Last time I checked, statistics aren't reality, only possibility.
Literally dozens of the exact same urban legend about hiv on the web.
Always with the hiv carrier being an evil person intentionally trying to infect people. At an ASTRONOMICAL success rate.
I have read stories where if we use even a 1000-1 transmission rate, it would be 100s of millions to 1, what these evil people manage to do.
You alway here the same nonsense, "well it could happen, stats don't mean anything"
REally, there are plenty of cases in and out of the courts where the evidence of who infected who with what is readily available. When you posted this info, I assumed that was what you were talking about not some 'rumour' off a FB page.
I don't know why you would bother mentioning anything that wasn't a fact to prove a point. I also don't get why the internet rumours are sufficiently accurate for your statistical analysis, but not when it proves that wrong.
I'm not here saying it can't happen, like you are. I am here saying it does happen. Those are facts, not stats.
I don't know why you would bother mentioning anything that wasn't a fact to prove a point. I also don't get why the internet rumours are sufficiently accurate for your statistical analysis, but not when it proves that wrong.
I'm not here saying it can't happen, like you are. I am here saying it does happen. Those are facts, not stats.
REally, there are plenty of cases in and out of the courts where the evidence of who infected who with what is readily available. When you posted this info, I assumed that was what you were talking about not some 'rumour' off a FB page.
I don't know why you would bother mentioning anything that wasn't a fact to prove a point. I also don't get why the internet rumours are sufficiently accurate for your statistical analysis, but not when it proves that wrong.
I'm not here saying it can't happen, like you are. I am here saying it does happen. Those are facts, not stats.
This is like trying to explain to people why the super 7 is a bad investment......even though people do win.
Complete the following
An EVIL hiv infected SP has the goal to infect clients.
Using the low World Health Organization figure of 1 in 1000, to transmit hiv from infected women to non-infected man.
Complete the following problem.
A) What would the probability be of infected 5 or more men out of 100 encounters?
B) What would the probability be of infected 10 or more men out of 100 encounters?
We can then discuss the validity of such stats.
Can a monkey randomly type the script for a Shakespeare play? Sure if you think so........
Thanks for mentioning hepatitis C.
Hepatitis C is a common infection that affects the liver. In 2009 we had 2444 new cases of hepatitis C in BC.
We do not usually test for hepatitis C when someone comes for an STI/HIV check up because it is not something that passes easily with sex.
Hepatitis C lives in the blood and here are some of the ways it can be passed.
Activities that have a high chance of passing Hepatitis C.
• Injecting drug use (sharing needles and drug use equipment e.g. cookers, filters etc…
• Needle stick injuries (e.g. stepping on a needle, health care staff).
• Birth to a mother who has hepatitis C.
Activities that have a low chance of passing hepatitis C.
• Sex with someone who has hepatitis C.
• Sharing personal items that could have blood with hepatitis C on it e.g. Razors and toothbrushes.
• Sharing certain drug use equipment like crack pipes or snorting straws/bills.
If anyone has any of the above risk factors when they come for a test we usually offer a hepatitis C test, but do not include it if someone does not have any of the above risk factors. You can also request a test if you would like to know but prefer not to tell us what happened.
Most people who get hepatitis C do not get any symptoms and it can take several years to affect your body. You need to do a blood test to see if you have hepatitis C.
If someone finds out they have hepatitis C there is still a lot they can do in terms of staying healthy. There is also medication available that has the ability to cure hepatitis C.
Here is a link for more information about hepatitis C from the Canadian Liver foundation and the American CDC.
http://www.liver.ca/hepatitis/hepatitis-c.aspx
http://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/C/index.htm
HN
www.healthnurse.wordpress.com
www.stiresource.com
www.bccdc.ca
Hepatitis C is a common infection that affects the liver. In 2009 we had 2444 new cases of hepatitis C in BC.
We do not usually test for hepatitis C when someone comes for an STI/HIV check up because it is not something that passes easily with sex.
Hepatitis C lives in the blood and here are some of the ways it can be passed.
Activities that have a high chance of passing Hepatitis C.
• Injecting drug use (sharing needles and drug use equipment e.g. cookers, filters etc…
• Needle stick injuries (e.g. stepping on a needle, health care staff).
• Birth to a mother who has hepatitis C.
Activities that have a low chance of passing hepatitis C.
• Sex with someone who has hepatitis C.
• Sharing personal items that could have blood with hepatitis C on it e.g. Razors and toothbrushes.
• Sharing certain drug use equipment like crack pipes or snorting straws/bills.
If anyone has any of the above risk factors when they come for a test we usually offer a hepatitis C test, but do not include it if someone does not have any of the above risk factors. You can also request a test if you would like to know but prefer not to tell us what happened.
Most people who get hepatitis C do not get any symptoms and it can take several years to affect your body. You need to do a blood test to see if you have hepatitis C.
If someone finds out they have hepatitis C there is still a lot they can do in terms of staying healthy. There is also medication available that has the ability to cure hepatitis C.
Here is a link for more information about hepatitis C from the Canadian Liver foundation and the American CDC.
http://www.liver.ca/hepatitis/hepatitis-c.aspx
http://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/C/index.htm
HN
www.healthnurse.wordpress.com
www.stiresource.com
www.bccdc.ca
Hi Miss Melody
Glad to hear that your father is doing ok.
I have also seen similar situations were couples have been together for a long time but hepatitis C has not been transmitted with sex. It is possible to pass hepatitis C with sex but the chance is quite low.
At our Bute street clinic over the last year it looks like we have had a few people who we believe got hepatitis C from sex.
We are still not 100% sure what increases someone’s risk of getting hepatitis C from sex but it seems that some common factors are being HIV positive, group sex and unprotected anal intercourse. Some other factors also seem to be rough sexual practices or an STI that can create an ulcer (syphilis or herpes).
If you have any concerns you can always chat with the health professional that is ordering the tests.
HN
www.healthnurse.wordpress.com
www.bccdc.ca
www.stiresource.com
Glad to hear that your father is doing ok.
I have also seen similar situations were couples have been together for a long time but hepatitis C has not been transmitted with sex. It is possible to pass hepatitis C with sex but the chance is quite low.
At our Bute street clinic over the last year it looks like we have had a few people who we believe got hepatitis C from sex.
We are still not 100% sure what increases someone’s risk of getting hepatitis C from sex but it seems that some common factors are being HIV positive, group sex and unprotected anal intercourse. Some other factors also seem to be rough sexual practices or an STI that can create an ulcer (syphilis or herpes).
If you have any concerns you can always chat with the health professional that is ordering the tests.
HN
www.healthnurse.wordpress.com
www.bccdc.ca
www.stiresource.com
