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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...porn-syphilis-scare-alter-test_n_1826003.html


As many as nine syphilis cases have been identified among porn performers, and more are expected, according to the Associated Press. Marcus said that the three women he performed with after his diagnosis have all tested negative for syphilis.

Funny, that sounds like 100% infection rate for unprotected sex with someone who has the std?





note: I didn't notice lenny quoting facts, he uses a lot of links then quotes partially with interesting edits, in order to reinterpret them into his own fantasy reality. He did that with Health Nurse comments on another topic. HN emphatically said something has high risk, he reinterprets that to say HN can't say there were any risks. I mean ???? That's just crazy. Hmm, 'crazy' is a symptom of untreated syphilis, btw. :)
I think he drinks, fwiw.
 

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Wow never really thought about this happening. I am usually careful and always make sure there is a condom with the exception of bbbj. But after reading this thread I'm getting pretty spooked. I won't even sleep with girls that aren't sp without a condoms.

How often do you guys get bbbj over cbj? Should I start?

Back to the subject. This situation did happen to me on one of my visits. It was my first time visit and I was new to this. She said I looked clean etc and if I wanted to take off the condom that it would be okay but just don't cum inside her. She offered this when I was inside of her already so I had the impression she wasn't going to charge me and that it was just an extra if I wanted to. Obviously I didn't, and I never saw her again after that.
 

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...porn-syphilis-scare-alter-test_n_1826003.html

Funny, that sounds like 100% infection rate for unprotected sex with someone who has the std?
The CDC says contact with a syphillus sore "can" cause infection, not that it will 100% of the time:

"Contact with a sore outside of the area covered by a latex condom can still cause infection."

Also, BTW, "syphilis is simple to cure with appropriate antibiotics from a physician."

http://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-Syphilis.htm
 

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The CDC says contact with a syphillus sore "can" cause infection, not that it will 100% of the time:

"Contact with a sore outside of the area covered by a latex condom can still cause infection."

Also, BTW, "syphilis is simple to cure with appropriate antibiotics from a physician."

http://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-Syphilis.htm
Don't ever stop being yourself, Lenny...love it!

 

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The CDC says contact with a syphillus sore "can" cause infection, not that it will 100% of the time:

"Contact with a sore outside of the area covered by a latex condom can still cause infection."

Also, BTW, "syphilis is simple to cure with appropriate antibiotics from a physician."

http://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-Syphilis.htm


If you re check my post, I was talking about what DID happen, not what CAN happen according to stats. One porn star (male) with syphillis, has scenes with 3 (female) porn stars (uncovered, and what lenny would consider to be "safe bbfs" in that all parties are tested and show as clean), and all 3 females get syphillis.

100% when the person is infected and 'safe' bbfs is the case. And again, lenny, we are not talking about condoms being used, we are talking about your concept of 'safe' bbfs and std transmission rates.

According to lenny, that infection rate would be impossible. In fact, according to lenny, there would have been no infection of those 3 women, with 'safe' bbfs tested individuals. In fact, the male porn start would also never have been infected back in July in the work place, because no one can work without a clean bill of health.

Exactly what he claims to get in Thailand, and the sps get as well, in spite of the fact that in Thailand you can buy that clean bill of health. Not to mention, that you can't get tested on Tuesday and consider yourself free of stds at all. IT take more than one test, and over a period of time.
 

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note: I didn't notice lenny quoting facts, he uses a lot of links then quotes partially with interesting edits, in order to reinterpret them into his own fantasy reality. He did that with Health Nurse comments on another topic. HN emphatically said something has high risk, he reinterprets that to say HN can't say there were any risks. I mean ???? That's just crazy. Hmm, 'crazy' is a symptom of untreated syphilis, btw. :)
I think he drinks, fwiw.
Hot pillow babe, I'm not sure what drinking has to do with this subject, though when i posted recently i was only intoxicated with you.

As for syphilus, don't worry, i was just tested for that, and came out looking like Brad Pitt.

Regarding the HN, i have no idea what you are talking about. Links, references, quotes, post numbers? Mr Blaze is dying to know.

I think there is little, if anything, where i have issues with her. And can't recall anywhere that she/he has disagreed with a jot, tittle or tittie i've said.


Don't ever stop being yourself, Lenny...love it!
Regardless the reason, I'm happy to know you are enjoying the show.

I figure i can't go wrong quoting highly authoritative sources like the CDC, while PT gives her
strange and imaginative deductions based on newspaper stories.

I'm sure PT & I will figure this out, sooner or later, in this life or the next.

We just need to hash it out for a while, with the exchange of "info".

Two heads are better than one, eh? But what's your take on all this?

Finally, I have to thank tantalizme for showing me a better way. He is my hero.
 

lenny

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If you re check my post, I was talking about what DID happen, not what CAN happen according to stats.

Actually, PT, if you reread what you posted, it is quite confusing, with the question mark at the end of your sentence, it looks like you are asking a question. Yet at the same time, the way the sentence is formed, it seems to be a statement.

Beyond that it was not clear if your remark was concerning (1) the three women, (2) the 9 or more cases also, or (3) BBFS with the syphilus infected in general. Re the third option i had in mind comments of yours such as the following:

"With 5 women, 3 contracted HIV. Sounds like the risk of HIV thru bbfs is 60%. A bit different from the 1 in 50,000 some would like us to believe." (PT, posts 91-92, this thread)

"If the guy has an std she has a 100% chance of getting it. Chance is not certainty, it is "possibility"." https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-GFE-Session&p=1306333&viewfull=1#post1306333

One porn star (male) with syphillis, has scenes with 3 (female) porn stars (uncovered, and what lenny would consider to be "safe bbfs" in that all parties are tested and show as clean), and all 3 females get syphillis.
If you check the article and the quote you posted, it doesn`t say they "got syphilus", but rather the opposite, that they "have all tested negative for syphilis." That`s a positive.

Zero for three is a 0% infection rate, not the 100% you spoke of.

As for the infected guy, BTW, it is being stated until this little syphilus issue, he hadn`t even had a minor STI infection in 18 years working in the porn industry.

No mention was made of him ever using condoms, but he was regularly tested for diseases:

http://jezebel.com/5938116/porn-star-mr-marcus-apologizes-for-hiding-his-syphilis-infection
 
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lenny

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Wow never really thought about this happening. I am usually careful and always make sure there is a condom with the exception of bbbj. But after reading this thread I`m getting pretty spooked. I won`t even sleep with girls that aren`t sp without a condoms.

How often do you guys get bbbj over cbj? Should I start?

Back to the subject. This situation did happen to me on one of my visits. It was my first time visit and I was new to this. She said I looked clean etc and if I wanted to take off the condom that it would be okay but just don`t cum inside her. She offered this when I was inside of her already so I had the impression she wasn`t going to charge me and that it was just an extra if I wanted to. Obviously I didn`t, and I never saw her again after that.
I think most SPs offer BBBJs nowadays & most clients enjoy its benefits. It is considered very low risk for HIV.

But I`d say if you don`t feel comfortable with a BBBJ, cover it up, since you may not be able to enjoy it otherwise, due to being "spooked".

"Blood in semen" (in the massage industry):
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?400482-Blood-in-Semen
 

lenny

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According to lenny, that infection rate would be impossible. In fact, according to lenny, there would have been no infection of those 3 women, with 'safe' bbfs tested individuals. In fact, the male porn start would also never have been infected back in July in the work place, because no one can work without a clean bill of health.
No, no, no.

Safe or safer BBFS (SBBFS) does not make you immune to STIs any more than using condoms does. It just makes you safer than if you didn't practice it.

Not to mention, that you can't get tested on Tuesday and consider yourself free of stds at all. IT take more than one test, and over a period of time.
No method of practising safe sex with others is 100% safe.

Any way you do it, it only reduces your risk, to one degree or another.

It doesn't eliminate it entirely.

"AIM Healthcare Foundation has stated that the rate of STDs in adult film actors in production companies that follow the AIM testing protocols is 2.4%, which they state is "considerably lower than the average for sexually active young people with similar demographics."[7]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_in_the_pornographic_film_industry#2.4_.25_rate_of_STDs
 

lenny

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in Thailand you can buy that clean bill of health.
You can? Where?

Why would a well paid doctor in a world class Thai hospital or clinic risk his position and
imprisonment in a Thai jail for a small bribe?

How would he know if the one offering the bribe was not an undercover reporter, or other
type of investigator, or someone who might later rat him out?

How would he know that if a customer became infected due to relying on a fake negative
test from a SP he knew to be positive that it couldn't be traced back to him, and learned
that she was HIV positive at the time or long before then?

A news story about that wouldn't go well for his institution, family or himself.

The serious repercussions for criminals involved in buying or selling fake documents any
where in the world would be strong motivation for an SP not to attempt any such thing.

For all she knows, the doctor would turn her over to the police for even suggesting such
a thing, whether before or after knowing the result of her test.
 

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^^^ wow, this guys never heard of someone accepting a bribe before. He must think it only happens in movies and crime novels.
A 3rd world doctor might accept a bride for the same reason a cop, a politician, a judge, a lawyer, a TSA officer, a city council member would accept one, creed.
Now we know he's not being serious. Good one, you got us.
 

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I knew for a fact she's clean and she knew I'm clean.
Only you know for a fact if you were tested with negative results. She only trusts what you say.

Only she knows for a fact if she was tested with negative results. You only trust what she says.

If she did you BBFS, it is possible she did another client BBFS. Was he tested with negative results?
Is she tested very frequently so she knows if she picked something up from someone... whether BBFS or not?
 

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I can't count the number of ladies wh have offered it up for and extra 40. Crazy. Sorry ladies, If you ofer it to me I know I am not your one and only so I will be moving on. Im sure that there are still lots of guys settleing for it. No doubt it feels better. I can just spend the extra forty for greek and that will leave me satisfied.
 

lenny

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^^^ wow, this guys never heard of someone accepting a bribe before. He must think it only happens in movies and crime novels.
A 3rd world doctor might accept a bride for the same reason a cop, a politician, a judge, a lawyer, a TSA officer, a city council member would accept one, creed.
Now we know he's not being serious. Good one, you got us.

Anyone anywhere "might" accept a bribe. What we should want to know is how likely it is
in this particular set of circumstances.

I'd say it's extremely unlikely a Thai hooker i've taken to a world class hospital would
attempt to bribe a doctor there to change her HIV positive test to negative, let alone
succeed in such a devious plot.

For the following reasons:

(1) Thailand police are notorious for accepting bribes. Thai doctors are not.

(2) Thailand police are paid very low salaries. Thai doctors are not, especially in such an
expensive hospital as i described. So they lack the same motivation to accept a bribe.

(3) Aside from the obvious moral objections for an average person to abstain from conspiring
to subject people to HIV infection via such a bribery,

(4) doctors are in the business of curing diseases, not being accomplices in spreading them.

(5) one country you especially don't want to end up in prison is Thailand.

(6) Thai people tend to be quite religious & superstitious, mostly Buddhist, & believe in karma.
There is a huge difference between (A) a policeman accepting a small bribe to let a traffic violation
go, or 70,000 baht to let off a foreigner with possession of a bit of pot and (B) being responsible for
exposing others to HIV which could result in them becoming infected.

(7) Thai hookers i'm familiar with tend not to have the kind of money that would be within miles of being sufficient to even provide a small temptation to a well paid doctor. The vast majority of SP's spend it, or give it away to family, soon after they get it. They don't pad their bank accounts.

(8) Even if she (A) had this kind of money, it is very unlikely she'd attempt to bribe a doctor.
She'd also have to be (B) a very wicked person, and (C) willing to take the huge risk that she
could pull this off, that the doctor wouldn't out her or at least refuse her request.

(9) Moreover, the bribe would be pointless if its potential benefits could not be reasonably thought to exceed her expectations of a return on it. If her client is only in town for a few days, or constantly changes girls, how does she know that the donations she recieves will exceeed the amount of the bribe? He could dump her the same day, for any number of reasons.

(10) If she knew she's HIV positive before going for the test, i think it unlikely she'd be willing to go through with the testing and risk being outed if she wants to keep her status a secret to the client & her friends in the business, etc. She'd probably refuse to go for testing (and BTW would probably also be on HIV meds that reduce the probability of transmitting HIV).

If she didn't know she was HIV positive before the test, then a bribe at that point would likely be a
waste of money, since she's most likely negative.

If she waits till after the test results are known & positive, it may be too late to attempt any bribe.

(11) The difficulty of attempting a bribe when girls are with me is that i'm with them at the hospital
while they're waiting and whenever they see the doctor. If they handed him money i'd probably see it.

Now perhaps it might be beginning to dawn on you the difficulties with such a bribe succeeding,
and the unliklihood it "might" ever happen. Something like this, expressed mathematicly:

1/1000 X 1/100 X 1/500 = 1/50,000,000

IOW, a 1 in a 50,000,000 (one in fifty million) chance.

I think i can live with that.

Especially with things like the circumcision condom as backup.
 
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ALL Bare back sex has it's risk. I do not care if you trust your SP, it is the others guys that she has offered that service to that you must worry about.
Keep it safe
 
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