Dinner date with an escort

[Miss*Bijou]

I think you miss the point.
Members in this thread are talking about times where they and an SP enjoy the company of one another and decide to go out for dinner "off the clock". No one is saying that all SPs should go out for dinner with all their clients for free.
I would imagine the SPs being referred to only do it with a very small percentage of their clients.

If they're doing it with all their clients, they're not very savvy at all, so yes, I also assumed that they must have done it with a small amount of clients, which is why I'm having a hard time understanding why so many guys are going through great effort to brag about it. Have to tell you guys, I find it really tacky and distasteful to turn around and then not only brag about it but make comments about girls not willing to do it and putting down those who don't expect or seek out freebies from women who make their living that way.


Commenting that someone is too business-like because -OMG!- they actually boundaries - the HORROR - and have limited time available so they prefer to actually make their living, is especially tactless. This threat/manipulation argument of "now I won't see you because I don't like what you just said" when what was just said (very politely) is Hello, this is what we get paid for so it's pretty silly (and not possible) to start having diner with every client whose company you enjoy - is totally uncalled for. This IS a business and it is not "too business-like" to realize it and act accordingly.


Like I said, I'm genuinely happy for those of you who have been able to enjoy a lady's company "off the clock" but bragging about it is really not the best way to show appreciation. As the previous paragraph demonstrates, you're not doing your sp any favors. I would personally be totally turned off to read this and certainly be disappointed.


Especially given the fact that the OP wasn't even asking about free diner, yet all these guys just couldn't resist showing off, or what? Why you'd want to put this lady or anyone of us in the position of having all the guys who've read this thread now expect or attempt to get a free diner date whenever they get along with a lady and probably be offended when they don't get it - is pretty inconsiderate, if you ask me.


So tacky. Seriously, guys.

 

[sevenofnine]

sps i guess choice,
i have never really asked for a social rate,
the sps that i have heard about or know about, there social rate is so high, like what is the point, you might as well pay the full rate.
never ever heard of something close to fifty an hour.

i book long dates multi hours, i guess that makes me a sucker or whatever.
but honestly, the sp i see her multi hour rate is a good deal,

there are some escorts that charge like four hundred an hour. and like three hours or so, with some ladies can be upwards of nine or eight.
like i said my escort is pretty reasonable.

i pay her for a dinner date, a couple times in the last few years i had unexpected fincial bills to pay, i scaled back on what i paid her, only told her like one hour or two, but she had other ideas we still did the dinner date thing. even though i couldn't afford to pay the full rate.

you should not expect anything, but if you treat a lady well and there is chemistry,

other guys have said they well never had to pay for dinner or drinks, or for social time rather.
i kind of believe it.
i have always paid for social time and not a social rate either,

but quite a few times, i was asked to stay over night or
simple told, i did not have to leave, i could stay as long as i wanted.

it is just the way i am, or like doing things,
i don't like being cheap, with an escort, so have never really asked for a social rate or expected one.
but the pay off for me is at the other end, when they ask me to spend the night.
or i have found in general, once you get into mulit hours, sps if they like you are pretty free with there time.
meaning there can be no clock
of course depending on if she has kids to go home to or someone else to go home to,
it really depends on the escort where she is at in her life,
is she a single mother, etc, does she have a boyfriend, all that comes into play.

escorts that i have noticed who are single and free or there kids are all grown up. are much more relaxed about such things,

 

[SexyBoy]

strange
about 25% of my dates are dinner dates - I have only offered a discount on one occasion (he helped me out with something else)
do you consider these men to be suckers?
I enjoy the company and conversation - and I love to visit Vancouver great restaurants! However if I went out for free with every gentleman who asked I would be having five meals a day!
Dont any of you enjoy your job? Do you still expect to be compensated?
I am a professional companion, that is my income and I take it quite seriously. I make huge efforts to be the best dinner date a gentleman has ever had.
I am confused as to why people think I should make myself available for free. Do you expect your accountant to do part of their job for free? A chef? A dentist?
of course not, so forgive me if I find this thread quite ludicrous

Yes I do consider these men to be suckers. If a guy pays $200-$300 dollars/hr, and dinner for a date he has lost it. There are so many women that would love to just have their dinner paid for and the company of a man.

You do realize that accountants and anyone I happen to be a large customer for pay for my dinners right? If that was the comparison you are looking for then the escort would be paying for my dinner.

However I do believe a escort should be compensated for her time, and services. Some services as with many other professions cost more, and some cost less. In this case a dinner date costs less.

Escorts - Stop being greedy. Your time to just talk is not worth 200-300/hr sorry it isn't
Pooners - Start working on becoming more like-able, and social-able so you don't have to pay a huge amount for dinner with someone.

 

[steverino]

It's not that complicated

Time, like everything else bought and sold, is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I would have paid alot of money to have dinner with Einstein.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Some people can't wait to get offended over the smallest things, I don't get it.

Anyway...nowhere in the thread (that I can see) has someone said "SP X gives free social time, everyone go see her!". No names of ladies who have had off-the-clock social time with a client have been mentioned.
So I don't understand why you are getting upset.

Not sure where I said I was offended or upset?

Or why not having named specific sp's makes my point and how I see things any less valid.

I find it tacky to brag, with or without names. I'm not offended or upset, I just happen to have an opinion and happen to be turned off by that kind of attitudes and behavior. You're free to dismiss it, of course. But qualifying it as me being upset or offended is a quite a bit of an exaggeration.

 

[cloud_9]

If they're doing it with all their clients, they're not very savvy at all, so yes, I also assumed that they must have done it with a small amount of clients, which is why I'm having a hard time understanding why so many guys are going through great effort to brag about it. Have to tell you guys, I find it really tacky and distasteful to turn around and then not only brag about it but make comments about girls not willing to do it and putting down those who don't expect or seek out freebies from women who make their living that way.


Commenting that someone is too business-like because -OMG!- they actually boundaries - the HORROR - and have limited time available so they prefer to actually make their living, is especially tactless. This threat/manipulation argument of "now I won't see you because I don't like what you just said" when what was just said (very politely) is Hello, this is what we get paid for so it's pretty silly (and not possible) to start having diner with every client whose company you enjoy - is totally uncalled for. This IS a business and it is not "too business-like" to realize it and act accordingly.


Like I said, I'm genuinely happy for those of you who have been able to enjoy a lady's company "off the clock" but bragging about it is really not the best way to show appreciation. As the previous paragraph demonstrates, you're not doing your sp any favors. I would personally be totally turned off to read this and certainly be disappointed.


Especially given the fact that the OP wasn't even asking about free diner, yet all these guys just couldn't resist showing off, or what? Why you'd want to put this lady or anyone of us in the position of having all the guys who've read this thread now expect or attempt to get a free diner date whenever they get along with a lady and probably be offended when they don't get it - is pretty inconsiderate, if you ask me.


So tacky. Seriously, guys.

I actually felt the same way when I read your post. I thought you were pissed off too. Not once did i name any names, so I put nobody in any position. Actually the girls I am talking about I have never reviewed so I didn't put anyone in a sticky situation at all. Actually I did review one, but look at all my reviews how are you gonna ever figure out who I was talking about?

I never put anyone down, I actually was sticking up for you guys and your dinner rates. Not sure what got you so mad really. Nowhere in this thread did it name anyone specific, just saying that there are girls out there that will hang out with you, as a friend, for free. I was merely trying to paint the picture that not all the girls are just in it for the money.

I think the problem is that you can't tell the tone when we are reading your post

 

[Mr.Boggo]

Only taken one out to dinner, didn't have to pay for her time, just paid for the meal (which is something I do when with a lady anyways).

I would never pay to have someone eat with me other than paying for her meal. I'm not that hard up for company. I may have to pay for teh sexy time, but I refuse to pay to have someone hang out with me. I'd rather eat on my own and than visit an SP afterwards if that was the case.

 

[Pillowtalk]

I actually felt the same way when I read your post. I thought you were pissed off too. Not once did i name any names, so I put nobody in any position. Actually the girls I am talking about I have never reviewed so I didn't put anyone in a sticky situation at all. Actually I did review one, but look at all my reviews how are you gonna ever figure out who I was talking about?

I never put anyone down, I actually was sticking up for you guys and your dinner rates. Not sure what got you so mad really. Nowhere in this thread did it name anyone specific, just saying that there are girls out there that will hang out with you, as a friend, for free. I was merely trying to paint the picture that not all the girls are just in it for the money.

I think the problem is that you can't tell the tone when we are reading your post

I wouldn't say her post was directed at you, no need to take offense lol.

I would boil it down to a basic truth, tho, and maybe the next several posts could be about and only about that ? Instead of seeing the bragging (and really, she is bang on about that, considering this post started with a guy wanting know ONLY about dinner date rates), why not instead ask yourselves why you (the collective "you", not just you, cloud) feel the need to brag, and why along that way the need to insult anyone who presents the other point of view, including the sps who do charge for social time.

Have to tell you guys, I find it really tacky and distasteful to turn around and then not only brag about it but make comments about girls not willing to do it and putting down those who don't expect or seek out freebies from women who make their living that way.


Commenting that someone is too business-like because -OMG!- they actually boundaries - the HORROR - and have limited time available so they prefer to actually make their living, is especially tactless. This threat/manipulation argument of "now I won't see you because I don't like what you just said" So tacky. Seriously, guys.

 

[insertcoolsaying]

I agree 100%, and wouldn't even consider asking! She's a professional, and you know that before you make that very first phone call. If you're such great company, why not tell her you'll pay for her social time, but you want free playtime, because you're such an incredible lay!!!
My guess is by asking, and crossing the professional SP/client 'line', you've put the SP in an awkward position, so she agrees, mostly because she's afraid to lose you as a regular client, not because she couldn't imagine spending her FREE time with a more engaging individual, who probably don't exist in her personal life.

 

[cloud_9]

I wouldn't say her post was directed at you, no need to take offense lol.

I would boil it down to a basic truth, tho, and maybe the next several posts could be about and only about that ? Instead of seeing the bragging (and really, she is bang on about that, considering this post started with a guy wanting know ONLY about dinner date rates), why not instead ask yourselves why you (the collective "you", not just you, cloud) feel the need to brag, and why along that way the need to insult anyone who presents the other point of view, including the sps who do charge for social time.

I was kinda talking about me but also talking for the collective "you" as well lol

I still don't think we were bragging though

I agree 100%, and wouldn't even consider asking! She's a professional, and you know that before you make that very first phone call. If you're such great company, why not tell her you'll pay for her social time, but you want free playtime, because you're such an incredible lay!!!
My guess is by asking, and crossing the professional SP/client 'line', you've put the SP in an awkward position, so she agrees, mostly because she's afraid to lose you as a regular client, not because she couldn't imagine spending her FREE time with a more engaging individual, who probably don't exist in her personal life.

For me at least every girl asked me to go out, one I asked but it was cause she asked me for a ride home and she was telling me she was starving. I get it could be awkard for the girls so I never ask

 

[sevenofnine]

saw a ladies ad yesterday,
she charges 150 for a social rate.
right below hers was another, ad, 200 hundred for fs, gfe experiance per hour.

kind of just wondered who the girl thought she was, 150 an hour. for socializing.
she can charge what ever she wants its her right, but, my point is,
why spend 150 and hour for supper,

get a car with tinted windows. pick up the lady for two an hour,
unzip your pants get a blow job on the way to tims, have a coffee, and soup,
on the way dropping her off get a hand job.
there you have it, supper date for two and change.

no seriously the girls have a right to charge whatever they want, and we have the right to say no thankyou
my sp, i also don't think she has a low social rate, its just her personal choice, not sure really.
but don't believe she has a social rate.

but saying that, her muti hour rate is a good deal. and i enjoy her company. its a fun time.
i think in the last two or so three years, that is all i have had is supper dates from her, no complaintes her price i think is reasonable.
some girls in my opinion are over priced,
some one told me its a marketing thing, the girls don't want to be high volume so they price themself high.
my sp, i believe just doesn't want to waste her time, on suppers and drinks, for fifty an hour or for free.
she has a full life with friends and family and stuff to do. so it simply doesn't interest
and yeah i get it, she is in this for the money, and i don't really have a problem with that.
yet at the same time she doesn't gouge us guys, her hour rate, is pretty much the standard or hi average, i guess,
but multi hours she really gives a discount.

and it makes sense to me as a way to market your self.
why see two or three guys a night, when one will due with a supper date,
so she gives a good multi hour rate, guys see it they like it and take advantage of it.

for me its sort of an emotional block
i just look 150 and hour and go really,
or like a thousand dollars to have supper with some one, more if you pay for supper and drinks, and just no thanks,

but my sp's price, for a supper date, has never really bothered me.

 

[markjacob]

$200 for an hour just to have dinner with an SP? What... she's so smart that the conversation will be sooooo interesting, that it's the same price you would pay for a plate at a dinner where Bill Clinton speaks?
Right... if she thinks she's worth $200 just for dinner, then why does she have to spread her legs to make 99% of her money?

Well let's not criticize the girl though, after all, she can ask whatever her imagination tells her she's worth. It's the idiot guy who buys into her fantasy that pays it that's the problem!!!!

 

[sevenofnine]

$200 for an hour just to have dinner with an SP? What... she's so smart that the conversation will be sooooo interesting, that it's the same price you would pay for a plate at a dinner where Bill Clinton speaks?
Right... if she thinks she's worth $200 just for dinner, then why does she have to spread her legs to make 99% of her money?

Well let's not criticize the girl though, after all, she can ask whatever her imagination tells her she's worth. It's the idiot guy who buys into her fantasy that pays it that's the problem!!!!

yeah but do you get to fuck bill after

to each there own,
i like supper dates, its nice to relax and talk to her, get to know her,
i just find the sex so much more interesting, if you do it that way
its like
one way she is just a toy, a piece of meat that im using she is just there for my amusment.
but you know her you talk to her, her smile her laugh, her interests
she is not a toy any more she is a person,
and im having sex with a person, when she spreads her legs,
i know the person that goes with that pussy,
i enjoy it immensly when i know the girl im haveing sex with, its just a big turn on.

then to meet some unknown person, and just do it and then close the door behind me,
i don't know but i have never really enjoyed that type of experiance short encounters, have sex and just go. why bother just jerk off,
get a playboy magazinge and jerk off, whats a playboy magazinge cost ten bucks these days.

i really don't know why,
but for me, im just not into short encounters,

yeah it costs money,
but well you can't take it with you,
im lucky my job, allows me as much over time as i can handle.
double time adds up rather quickly,

 

[Miss*Bijou]

I still don't think we were bragging though



For me at least every girl asked me to go out, one I asked but it was cause she asked me for a ride home and she was telling me she was starving. I get it could be awkard for the girls so I never ask

That puts it into context a little more. I think there's a difference between an impromptu bite to eat as you're giving someone a ride and someone expecting and attempting to make plans for dinner completely out of the blue.


My concern was that even if you don't consider it or meant it as bragging and even without naming names, I personally see it as one of those things you just keep to yourself. By all jumping in to eagerly volunteer numerous examples, you give others the impression that it's common, that it's no big deal to pursue this and that they can reasonably expect their attempts to be well received. The fact is many girls may actually be really uncomfortable with the request, the expectation and having to find a tactful way to decline. No one likes to be put in that situation. As for the guys who will have read this thread, they will either be mad or insulted when the sp declines or take it personally.. Because according to this thread, sp's usually have no problem so they might assume it's about them, which is unfair and most likely untrue.


All of this because (as I see it), guys felt it was appropriate to brag about their experiences out of context. Again, the OP didn't mention anything about free diner dates so if not bragging then what was the motivation or purpose of discussing this? And again, (maybe not you specifically) the added insulting comments to clients who pay for social time and sp's who charge - off topic, inappropriate and completely unnecessary. Some of it may not be applicable to you so just ignore but it is applicable to some of those who posted.


I just think it's one of those things you just keep to yourself. Seems like common sense to me. And I can't see what purpose it would serve other than to brag, which is why I qualified as such. I'm not pissed or angry or offended. I'll admit I found it a bit irritating and I do see it as poor judgement but I'm not all upset about it. I just think you guys could think these things through a little more before making these kinds of statements. And keep in mind that others do read and they can easily get the wrong impression, which leads to uncomfortable situations and a whole bunch of possible outcomes that everyone would much prefer to avoid. See what I'm trying to say?



PS: Sevenofnine, you're a sweetheart. Had to say it. :nod:

 

[Miss*Bijou]

And just to clarify..because you highlighted this part of my post:

Commenting that someone is too business-like because -OMG!- they actually boundaries - the HORROR - and have limited time available so they prefer to actually make their living, is especially tactless. This threat/manipulation argument of "now I won't see you because I don't like what you just said" when what was just said (very politely) is Hello, this is what we get paid for so it's pretty silly (and not possible) to start having diner with every client whose company you enjoy - is totally uncalled for. This IS a business and it is not "too business-like" to realize it and act accordingly.

Which was in response to this specific comment:

Judging by Mya's response, I would never see her based on that attitude. It's too business like. And that, for most men is a huge turn-off. It's how shall I say, very impersonal - treating all men like they are only ATM's to her. Ditto PillowTalk, subjecting yourself to being treated like a meter that constantly needs money to feed the timer. Alas...

Some guys like dinner dates and company and have this Pretty Woman complex. Cool. But paying for a chick to laugh at your jokes is just so "fake".

If a chick genuinely enjoys your company, then dinner shouldn't be an issue "off the clocks". How do you know? Maybe going for that free dinner Mya might result in him booking you as a regular from then on. Or will you always believe that 2 hours of your time is taking advantage of you? On the flip side, I think men paying $100-150/hr plus her dinner is taking advantage of the man. So where does the line get drawn?

I do realize you posted in response to it as well..

Some dudes are traveling for business and get lonely

I don't know what the reason is, and why guys pay; but I think Sp's can charge for whatever they want for whatever service they want. I don't think they need to be judged for charging for social time, it's their right. I would never expect anyone to go out for dinner with me, no matter what the service. If they see me as a friend and someone cool to spend some time with cool. But for us to expect it, thats wrong

Why do you think no one has named any names here? Because we are all liars? No its because of responses like these

I agree I too would never pay someone to have dinner with me, but there are people that want it. Why ostracize someone because of it? It would be the same if you expected a dinner date from your Plumber

But just wanted to clarify that part was not meant for you or (the collective) you and was in response to as specific post.


k...hope that's more clear. lol

 

[bcneil]

People should do what they like.
But I think some of the way social time gets priced, isn't well thought out.

For instance.....gfe
1 hour $240.....
2 hours $400........

Then down below has a social rate of $200 an hour.

As I assume most dinner dates, are an hour dinner, hour fun?
So, he is now paying $40 more plus food.

 

[Pirate Code]

I wonder if the guys who got their 'free' dinners were with girls who were actually expecting to be paid and were too shy/ shocked/disappointed/afraid to say anything.

A well known provider here told me it happened to her once. She was so pissed that he assumed it would be free, but she did not want to lose him as he was a regular client. She was shocked too, that a fellow provider she did not personally know, who invited her over for a threesome with her boyfriend, did not pay.

Assumptions of payment that are not verbalized are lessons hard learned, it seems.

 

[markjacob]

yeah but do you get to fuck bill after

to each there own,
i like supper dates, its nice to relax and talk to her, get to know her,
i just find the sex so much more interesting, if you do it that way
its like
one way she is just a toy, a piece of meat that im using she is just there for my amusment.
but you know her you talk to her, her smile her laugh, her interests
she is not a toy any more she is a person,
and im having sex with a person, when she spreads her legs,
i know the person that goes with that pussy,
i enjoy it immensly when i know the girl im haveing sex with, its just a big turn on.

then to meet some unknown person, and just do it and then close the door behind me,
i don't know but i have never really enjoyed that type of experiance short encounters, have sex and just go. why bother just jerk off,
get a playboy magazinge and jerk off, whats a playboy magazinge cost ten bucks these days.

i really don't know why,
but for me, im just not into short encounters,

yeah it costs money,
but well you can't take it with you,
im lucky my job, allows me as much over time as i can handle.
double time adds up rather quickly,

I see what you mean about appreciating her as a real person, but frankly it goes both ways.
If she wants to be appreciated for being a real person, and not just a piece of meat, instead of the guy investing time and money to get to know her, she could invest her time to allow him to get to know her. She could volunteer to have a quick social with him, like maybe a coffee or a dessert or a drink. If she valued him as a client, she would want him to get to know her.... and her free social time would undoubtedly be returned with more bookings by him.

On the other hand, some escorts don't have a social rate - my guess is that if they wanted the guy to treat her as a person and not just a bunch of holes to fuck, they'd be investing part of the hour they paid her for sex to just get to know her instead. Yet I think some escorts don't have a social rate because frankly its more effort to be sociable to a client, pretending to be someone else, than it is just to get physical with him and fuck. Maybe that's the real reason, and maybe if that's her attitude, it makes a guy want to spend his money just to get to know her.

And if any of this were true, what does that tell you? Any money or time or effort invested in getting to know your SP is simply being wasted on a relationship and a person that is not real.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

She was shocked too, that a fellow provider she did not personally know, who invited her over for a threesome with her boyfriend, did not pay.

 

[sevenofnine]

i would never pay to see bill clintin
i would never pay to just have supper with some one.

i pay for several hours of a ladies time, and part of that time is going to be a sexaul activity so to me its a package, or i look at it that way,

i don't really know, why, but for me, but i dislike short sessions.
and its very simple to think just because part of the several hours i have with my sp,
its social time or not sexual related.
maybe i run to my sp;s bang her and im an old guy, need time to recover so we eat or go out and eat, and i bang her again, supper is just my recovery time.

maybe supper for me, is having her lay naked on a table and i eat chinese food off of her,
desert with whip cream and cherry i will leave it to your imagination.

maybe im and old guy, and i have some medical issues and i enjoy supper with a bottle of wine, with a beautiful women, it takes me this time to sit and enjoy and wonder and get my dirty little mind going so im all randy.

maybe i just like the power of showing off a beautiful women in a resturuant or bar,
knowing that im going to take her back to her place and pull her panties down.
and im sitting there all smug, wandering about all the other loosers in the bar, thinking who is going to get lucky tonight and who has some one has hot as i do.

maybe i just work hard all week long, work overtime every day to pay for this night out,
im hungry, starved actually, i have been known to drink, i enjoy getting a buzz on.
im seeing my sp any way that night.
what is the problem with having supper with ones sp.


and for sure, sps see lots of clients, if one client gets social time or supper dates or whatever,
it shouldn't be assumed that they all will get it.

not every women i have seen in this would i want to sit down and have supper with.
and im sure there are women in this, would tell you, or tell me, we can have sex, but i would rather not have supper or drinks with you,

i have just seen women or chosen to see women, that we get along, we enjoy each others company, i have never or always paid for social time

but our friendship has given me other benifits which i won't go into