Dating a prostitute

[Warl0ck]

@Alabama Blaze: While I've never paid for sex in the UK, from what I see online it's pretty ugly there as well. Bareback sex seems almost commonplace. There are "bug chasers" who, for reasons that baffle me, seem to want to get get infected and get sick. I can tell you that human trafficking & pimping are rampant in the UK & especially in mainland Europe. The proximity to developing nations & Africa make it common. Europe has a dark ugly side & even the legal sex trade in the Netherlands isn't as great as it's pundits would make it out to be. As for firing a woman for dating her clients, that strikes me as heavy handed. Who are they to interfere in her social life? Is she "their property" or her own. The minute a woman is not her own property in this industry there is a major problem.

@SummerBreeze. It's a fallacy to imagine things are improving in the sex trade. Contrary to the opinions some folks espouse on this forum there is a major & growing issue with human trafficking, pimping and intimidation of women in this world. I can find humans for sale on the dark net before you can finish your morning coffee. The dark net, bitcoin, etc is an enabler to the dark side of the sex trade & human trafficking. Bill C-36 only assisted in the marginalization of sex workers, further pushing them into the shadows. And, I believe it played a major part in the whole agenda of making "all sex workers victims"...implying that all women in the sex trade are drugged and pimped. It was a case of simplify the problem & pigeonhole the entire trade. That only throws gasoline on the whole "abolish it all" fire to give police a heavier hand. Thankfully, in Canada, LE is still relatively sane and thinking..for now anyway. Perhaps it is just me, but I can't help but notice this growing trend of misogyny around the world.

 

[resercher]

After reading 100+ threads on this, I'd like to offer some advice about this for your future success.

Treat her like the woman she is.


/goodluck.

**I meant treat her as a person versus defining her by her chosen career. You date the person not the job. The above came across as really snarky and mean. Sorry. That was not my intention at all.

The good luck was meant positively.

I should proof read before I post.

/endcorrection

id not read every reply in this thread the text here looks like a reply to a personal situation that I cant talk about as I do not know all the facts but I think If this Just Generally about dating an escort or sp
Unless you are fully aware of what you are doing or You did not meet the prostitute as a client I think it is a bad idea. I

I was with a young sp and I asked her " so what do you like " and her answer was whatever I was into.
For whatever reason that sentence reminded me of two Sentences' repeated several times the movie The Christmas wife
The sentences' I thought of was " You will like that " and" I expect I will"
Its It is usually given Billing as a romance but it is not No exchange for sex takes place in the movie. But It is about A older widower .Who rents a woman in his age group to be a companion for him . It becomes painfully clear to the viewer that this is just a job for her. When she says the words " I expect I will" But since the woman is taking the place of the mans wife .He begins to think she is in love with him . He gets a very rude shock at the end of the movie .. I cant find a clip of the ending but the full movie is seems to be on line and it is a made for TV thing. If you see that ending scene .You most likely will not want to think about dating an escort ever again.
Unless you met her outside of work.




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[Alabama Blaze]

@Alabama Blaze: While I've never paid for sex in the UK, from what I see online it's pretty ugly there as well. Bareback sex seems almost commonplace. There are "bug chasers" who, for reasons that baffle me, seem to want to get get infected and get sick. I can tell you that human trafficking & pimping are rampant in the UK & especially in mainland Europe. The proximity to developing nations & Africa make it common. Europe has a dark ugly side & even the legal sex trade in the Netherlands isn't as great as it's pundits would make it out to be. As for firing a woman for dating her clients, that strikes me as heavy handed. Who are they to interfere in her social life? Is she "their property" or her own. The minute a woman is not her own property in this industry there is a major problem.

@SummerBreeze. It's a fallacy to imagine things are improving in the sex trade. Contrary to the opinions some folks espouse on this forum there is a major & growing issue with human trafficking, pimping and intimidation of women in this world. I can find humans for sale on the dark net before you can finish your morning coffee. The dark net, bitcoin, etc is an enabler to the dark side of the sex trade & human trafficking. Bill C-36 only assisted in the marginalization of sex workers, further pushing them into the shadows. And, I believe it played a major part in the whole agenda of making "all sex workers victims"...implying that all women in the sex trade are drugged and pimped. It was a case of simplify the problem & pigeonhole the entire trade. That only throws gasoline on the whole "abolish it all" fire to give police a heavier hand. Thankfully, in Canada, LE is still relatively sane and thinking..for now anyway. Perhaps it is just me, but I can't help but notice this growing trend of misogyny around the world.

Most agencies in Britain see the clients as their clients since they pay for the marketing all of the services to bring clients in the door. They view dating a client as a conflict of interest. They worry about loosing clients if the relationship between a client one of their escorts costs them business. They sign a contract with the agency and told upfront dating clients of the agency will result in their termination.

I also think Brexit is making everyone over there nervous. People are worried the Nationalist leaders that pushed Brexit will also change the laws applying to prostitution. There's a lot of anxiety in Britain. Anything considered to create unwanted attention or problems is flouted upon like never before. Unfortunately clients and escorts dating gets lumped in there.

Brexit has everyone on edge over there and even in the escorting world. Brexit is making thing more difficult for everyone.

 

[Warl0ck]

Most agencies in Britain see the clients as their clients since they pay for the marketing all of the services to bring clients in the door. They view dating a client as a conflict of interest. They worry about loosing clients if the relationship between a client one of their escorts costs them business. They sign a contract with the agency and told upfront dating clients of the agency will result in their termination.

I also think Brexit is making everyone over there nervous. People are worried the Nationalist leaders that pushed Brexit will also change the laws applying to prostitution. There's a lot of anxiety in Britain. Anything considered to create unwanted attention or problems is flouted upon like never before. Unfortunately clients and escorts dating gets lumped in there.

Brexit has everyone on edge over there and even in the escorting world. Brexit is making thing more difficult for everyone.

The march toward the "Alt Right" should make everyone nervous especially sex workers. Don't kid yourself for a moment those "old white boys" enjoy their pussy, just it'll be come like the Orwell book "Animal Farm". Some pigs are better than others. You know, the "red sash" meant "good girls" when in fact it meant bad girls.

As for agencies telling a woman who they can date or see outside of work, I'm fundamentally against that. That's nothing more than indentured servitude. It says "you're our whore or else". A woman is free and clear to date, love, and marry who she sees fit. Her body. Her choices.

 

[Alabama Blaze]

The march toward the "Alt Right" should make everyone nervous especially sex workers. Don't kid yourself for a moment those "old white boys" enjoy their pussy, just it'll be come like the Orwell book "Animal Farm". Some pigs are better than others. You know, the "red sash" meant "good girls" when in fact it meant bad girls.

As for agencies telling a woman who they can date or see outside of work, I'm fundamentally against that. That's nothing more than indentured servitude. It says "you're our whore or else". A woman is free and clear to date, love, and marry who she sees fit. Her body. Her choices.

Some agencies in the US do the same thing. A lot of agencies operating in Europe have American owners. Chalk-it-up to good old fashion American values.

I wish the news in Europe was better. Anger and Anxiety on both sides are creating issues on par with the one's we're seeing in the US. Italy has a religious fanatical Catholic Alt-right politicians who want to jail clients as sex offenders if they come into power. Germany has a angery Protestant political movement threatening the industry as well.

The Alt right in Europe is every bit as ugly as it's counterparts in the US.

 

[Warl0ck]

Some agencies in the US do the same thing. A lot of agencies operating in Europe have American owners. Chalk-it-up to good old fashion American values.

I wish the news in Europe was better. Anger and Anxiety on both sides are creating issues on par with the one's we're seeing in the US. Italy has a religious fanatical Catholic Alt-right politicians who want to jail clients as sex offenders if they come into power. Germany has a angery Protestant political movement threatening the industry as well.

The Alt right in Europe is every bit as ugly as it's counterparts in the US.

Yes, the "Alt Right" is as ugly in Europe as in the USA. I hope this is the last gasp of the "redneck right" before it slowly disappears. I admit I'm surprised it came back with such a vengeance. It's "old white men" afraid of losing their control on things to the "women, gays and foreigners".

 

[Warl0ck]

Thought I’d post this on the whole topic of dating an escort & the experience. I can’t say this is accurate as there is no 1 size fits all but it might shed some light on things for those considering it.

Stage 1: Introduction. You may meet the person in whatever way you normally meet people or perhaps you’ve seen her. You may hit it off and take it outside of normal protocol & socialize and become friends. This will probably be “light weight”. It’ll likely be a lot of fun and pretty casual.

Stage 2: Emotional Attachment. This is the stage when all hell will break loose. Your SP “date” will have spent a whole bunch of time building walls around her. Walls that make her feel safe, walls that guard her emotions, walls that make her forget her job sometimes. And you’ll come along with your Thor hammer and knock a giant hole in it. Suddenly, this in control woman will realize she’s not in control, her emotions are. And then, she will freak out. She will push you away, she’ll be mean, she’ll question everything you do. What are your motivations? She has a real and legit reason to do this and fear for her safety and for her emotional state. You will have a monster emotional meltdown. Mine had hers when I brought her to my house to eat dinner. It started with silence then into anger then into emotional explosion. I was everything horrible. It then morphed into why would I want a ‘dirty fucking whore’, then a slammed bedroom door and me wondering what in the hell have I did. The next day it was just tears. These up and downs will be common and they will for you too. You’ll come to the realization you are emotionally attached to a sex worker. You’ll question yourself. You’ll discover your own stereotypes that exist. You’ll question you’re motivations. This will happen repeatedly. The emotional highs and lows. They’ll be more than 1 night you won’t get much sleep. And they’ll also be emotional highs, the kind of “great times” thing. It is highly probable you will not make it through this stage and go your separate ways.

Stage 3: Clarity then Calm. If you make the above and survive, you’ll get to this stage. At this stage you’ll accept each other. You’ll accept her job. And it’s very likely at this stage she’ll trust you enough to walk away from that job . See that couple in IKEA shopping for a couch holding hands? That’s you. The major difference I found was that she was the first woman who appreciated me and didn’t see me as an ATM machine. She’ll share her past with you knowing you can likely accept it.. Her secrets will come out. And it’s likely you won’t be shocked. And, the stigma attached will likely wane or disappear. Your SO’s past will become insignificant. It will not define her. She won’t be an escort, she’ll be your woman.

Sidenotes:

Bad Dates: Your SO will have bad dates. Rough, aggressive and degrading men. She may react quietly, she may sit on your lap and cry or she may be unapproachable. Nothing will challenge you more than this. You’re first reaction will be to take a bat and beat the motherfuckers skull into powder. But you won’t. You’ll be there for her even if all you do is sit there while she cries on your shoulder.

Call Girl to Civilian worker: Huge challenge. Coming from a job where if you want money you turn on your phone. Or if you want a day off you shut it off. A civilian job will mean being like the rest of us, waking up, going to work, and building a career. And, she’ll feel the sting of “business” perhaps for the first time. The nasty, ugly reality that is the corporate world. She may not be prepared for it at all. I had an incident where things just went south for no fault of her own and she called me bawling telling me to come home. And I did. But there is a good part. You may watch her graduate from college. A big beaming smile of accomplishment. And you’ll see her get a civilian job & maybe a career. And along the way she’ll grow into that career and make something of herself in her field. It’ll be a moment you’re incredibly proud. You’ll understand this woman has a strength in her you can’t even begin to fathom.

And along this journey you’ll have to support her emotionally and financially. It will be difficult and sometimes you’ll wonder why you bother. She’ll feel the same way. She’ll consider going back to the trade. But she’ll find her way. I came home one day and found about a half dozen packaged garbage bags in the foyer. I was told to “take these to the dump please”. Inside was all her sex worker gear probably 10’s of thousands of dollars worth of it. I knew it signaled the end of that era of her life.

 

[LalaniElectrica]

Thx darkbeer. I think this is an important topic and thx to Warl0ck for suggesting it.. Thx!

 

[Warl0ck]

Thx darkbeer. I think this is an important topic and thx to Warl0ck for suggesting it.. Thx!

I started this thread because I've sat on the sidelines of this forum and others and seen it brought up a million times. The responses were always filled with stereotypes and cliches. So let's have a serious chat about this. There is a whole swath of men who cannot and will never date a sex worker. They cannot. They can't get over the sharing or what she does. And, that's PERFECTLY OK. They're at least honest.

But you know who can't be forgiven? It's the males who casually date an SP. They treat her like she's a thing or an object. They'll make time for her when it's convenient for them. I'm 100% male as you can get. A male who is interested in a woman will do ANYTHING to get her. She becomes his focus because that's what he wants. The casual "Stage 1" types date SP's because it just saves them a few hundred bucks to blow their load. The result is a woman who feels alienated and angry at men. And she has every right to be. You cannot get a little bit pregnant. This forum is full of "prolific" pooners who do that. They treat these women like objects. They treat them like castaway or disposable people for their own needs or desires. They are the LAST people who need to be treated like that. It only makes the job of those who really actually give a fuck way more difficult.

 

[summerbreeze]

sometimes the more challenging relationships can be the most rewarding

 

[Warl0ck]

sometimes the more challenging relationships can be the most rewarding

I personally feel that SP's make better partners for some males than civilian women. If you're a swinger or open minded, she may be and that makes for a good pairing. Myself, I'm fine with monogamy if that's what is desired. To quote Rob Ford "you get enough to eat at home".

One of the greatest benefits of having an SP (former/current) as your SO is that there is no sexual repression. You can talk openly about everything. Got a civilian wife? Tell her about the time you ate out Itchy the Surrey Hooker & she'll freak the fuck out and you will be a leash forever. An SP? Won't even blink. The frequency of sex may be no different than with a civilian female, but it's much more healthy. You can talk candidly about your desires & wants and she can too. That makes for a healthy relationship. Unhealthy sexual relationships are one of the biggest causes of failed marriages. This entire forum is built on guys who live them. They're just not compatible sexually with their spouse.

 

[summerbreeze]

not that I know anything, but I think for some people who are not getting their quota of "Maslow's Needs" due to trust or difficulties due to their circumstances such as occupation

with this type of person, trust is a huge issue and for them to feel safe, loved, understood is such a difficult thing that when they find it they end up being incredibly loyal and appreciative partners

provided they don't have self destructive scripts which sabotage their relationships of course which can be common with people who have not experienced good nurturing relationships

point being, sometimes a relationship with a provider will be more about the emotional connection and trust than the sexual part

 

[johnsmit]

I think there are way to many misconceptions about. Women that are SPS. Number one is,that they just love sex and can't get enough of it or something like that.Not true in many cases..It just a job and sex is part of it.

So if you think that your going you get it when ever you want..it aint going to happen.
Most of them have hang ups just like any other person.An SP many be more open minded only because they have seen a lot of different stuff and pertisipated,does not mean they are in your thoughts or OK with it.

I have found that most are not into talking about there sexual desire as much as one might think..And allso use men may not be able to get over our hangup that easily to talk openly with a women even if they are an SP.
Personally I have found they don't want to here about other exploits,and it understandable .They can be jealous and allso afraid they won't measure up to your previous pleasure.
It still comes down to relationships between men and women. Not guys and SPs.

 

[Warl0ck]

not that I know anything, but I think for some people who are not getting their quota of "Maslow's Needs" due to trust or difficulties due to their circumstances such as occupation

with this type of person, trust is a huge issue and for them to feel safe, loved, understood is such a difficult thing that when they find it they end up being incredibly loyal and appreciative partners

provided they don't have self destructive scripts which sabotage their relationships of course which can be common with people who have not experienced good nurturing relationships

point being, sometimes a relationship with a provider will be more about the emotional connection and trust than the sexual part

Well we're all broken and messed up to some degree, just some more than others. That's a given. It's really a matter of how aware the other person is of their faults and if they're willing to try to change. It's like a drug addict. They all want to stop but the ones that will are the ones ready to quit.

I think every relationship should be first and foremost about the emotional connection. The sex just naturally finds it's way into the equation. Regardless, those tornado moments are a given. It's more how you stick handle them. That likely sounds clinical but all things relationship are more about practical reality than romance or some fairy tale.

 

[UhOh]

I personally feel that SP's make better partners for some males than civilian women. If you're a swinger or open minded, she may be and that makes for a good pairing. Myself, I'm fine with monogamy if that's what is desired. To quote Rob Ford "you get enough to eat at home".

One of the greatest benefits of having an SP (former/current) as your SO is that there is no sexual repression. You can talk openly about everything. Got a civilian wife? Tell her about the time you ate out Itchy the Surrey Hooker & she'll freak the fuck out and you will be a leash forever. An SP? Won't even blink. The frequency of sex may be no different than with a civilian female, but it's much more healthy. You can talk candidly about your desires & wants and she can too. That makes for a healthy relationship. Unhealthy sexual relationships are one of the biggest causes of failed marriages. This entire forum is built on guys who live them. They're just not compatible sexually with their spouse.

You're delusional if you think you're prostitute girlfriend wants to hear about you eating out some Surrey skank. I would guess an SP no more wants her guy fucking around on her than a civilian does. And the guy that wants to discuss such history is unlikely to be the sort that 99% of women, including SP's, are looking for

 

[Warl0ck]

You're delusional if you think you're prostitute girlfriend wants to hear about you eating out some Surrey skank. I would guess an SP no more wants her guy fucking around on her than a civilian does. And the guy that wants to discuss such history is unlikely to be the sort that 99% of women, including SP's, are looking for

I think you're missing my point or I'm not clarifying it. I'm not talking about having discussions about Itchy the Surrey Hooker as a topic eating breakfast. What I'm saying is that if she's aware of your past stupidity she's very likely going to be more forgiving of you. Your SO is going to know you've paid for sex with other women. She may even know them personally. Now, let your civilian wife find out you used the services of a sex worker and see how well that goes over. Even if it's prior to her role in the relationship it is very likely to severely affect the relationship.

Just for clarification I've never had sex with Itchy the Surrey Hooker.

 

[resercher]

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I started this thread because I've sat on the sidelines of this forum and others and seen it brought up a million times. The responses were always filled with stereotypes and cliches. So let's have a serious chat about this. There is a whole swath of men who cannot and will never date a sex worker. They cannot. They can't get over the sharing or what she does. And, that's PERFECTLY OK. They're at least honest.

But you know who can't be forgiven? It's the males who casually date an SP. They treat her like she's a thing or an object. They'll make time for her when it's convenient for them. I'm 100% male as you can get. A male who is interested in a woman will do ANYTHING to get her. She becomes his focus because that's what he wants. The casual "Stage 1" types date SP's because it just saves them a few hundred bucks to blow their load. The result is a woman who feels alienated and angry at men. And she has every right to be. You cannot get a little bit pregnant. This forum is full of "prolific" pooners who do that. They treat these women like objects. They treat them like castaway or disposable people for their own needs or desires. They are the LAST people who need to be treated like that. It only makes the job of those who really actually give a fuck way more difficult.

"
This forum is full of "prolific" pooners who do that. They treat these women like objects. They treat them like castaway or disposable people for their own needs or desires. They are the LAST people who need to be treated like that. It only makes the job of those who really actually give a fuck way more difficult"


writing a statement like this . Make's one wonder If you are trying to incite an angry response from the other board members or that your social intelligence . Is such that you do not understand the consciences of what you have written .

It's like paying for a tour of a distillery that includes free samples . Then complaining all throughout the tour that the consumption of alcohol is a sin . That the other people on the tour are hopeless alcoholics I think You are entitled to have and express any opinion you wish . Of anybody even people you have not met in person . I support free speech no matter what I think of it . While it is true that I tend not to find full details about a service provider. When I use there services . Saying that I am not treating them like a human being . Because I do not find out more about there lives . I think is not correct and in fact They might feel. I was dehumanizing them if I tried. To find out more about them Just as any service provider would .. Like for example . If I asked an electrician A personal question not related to the job. For example I wanted to know how often he masturbated at home . Before he installed a fuse box for me At my home


I'm 100% male as you can get. A male who is interested in a woman will do ANYTHING to get her. She becomes his focus because that's what he wants.

I am sorry but the above sentence made this reply just way to easy for me .

Ah yes a real man will do anything to get a woman so I am assuming you mean a real mans man like ted Bundy who was willing to face death for the women he wanted to get ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy




So just wondering Perhaps some of the service providers who advertise on this forum can clarify. This I am guessing from the above sentence From Warl0ck that a lot of the service providers who advertise on this forum Would just absolutely love a man who Is 100% male as you can get. A male who is interested in a woman Who will do ANYTHING to get her. She becomes his focus because that's what he wants. Do the ladies have any particular word for such a fine noble gentleman like this ?

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

"
This forum is full of "prolific" pooners who do that. They treat these women like objects. They treat them like castaway or disposable people for their own needs or desires. They are the LAST people who need to be treated like that. It only makes the job of those who really actually give a fuck way more difficult"


writing a statement like this . Make's one wonder If you are trying to incite an angry response from the other board members or that your social intelligence . Is such that you do not understand the consciences of what you have written .

Actually, resercher, I don't believe the intended audience for that post was the other board members. I think the intended audience was the PAYING ADVERTISERS on the board who support it. In my opinion, Warl0ck was expressing a view sympathetic to the women, the independent advertisers, who fund the board's very existence. If he were directing his post at other men, I don't think you'd be among the men he was including, as everything I have ever read about the relationship you have with your SP tells me you value her & the relationship the two of you have. I think he's directing it towards the man-children who make this site about trashing hookers & not about reviewing escorts. It's a very different type of mindset.

 

[Man Mountain]

I'm with resercher on this... I believe we're being trolled.

 

[Bad Santa]

Honestly, I'll say this... Life is what you make it...

As an sp, I was in a 4 year relationship with a ts (Alexis Dvyne) which did not get in the way of our relationship or work, partly because we worked together. After we had parted company amicably, I have been technically single ever since... Once in calgary I thought I had feelings for a gent there, and when I told him about it, he literally went postal... texting me constantly, and becoming very possessive... we never ended up even having a first date as he was way to demanding and did not understand that I had to work...

Then I tried very briefly dating a guy but the whole thing is, if you don't want to put anything into a relationship of whatever dynamic (dating, fwb, gf bf, whatever) then just book an appt... Now he is back into the client category, as we still are friendly and the service is what he needs but we both agreed we cannot maintain a relationship per se, so it just makes sense to keep things simple. I literally have a phobia of dating as in my experience dating a guy is either way to high maintenance or there's not much benefit in giving that amount of quality time to a person who does not sincerely appreciate it.

I think of being an sp as sort of dating. I only see people I would consider dating and there's the arrangement, and after that I can send them home or they can send me home lol. Then they can have their own life, no complications everyone leaves happy and satisfied. I am happy with my life choices and all those who know me know that to be true If I ever dated anyone it would have to be a female sp who I know is sincere. At this point I would not consider dating a man unless I was Head over heels in love and he could provide for a family and wanted to have kids or something, then he would be someone I already know well so we could even skip the dating scene all together, that would be the only situation I would consider making a commitment with someone. Other than that, dating is a total WOT and energy and I have to stick with those who are sincere and support me. I just want to give time and care for those who care about me as well, that's what it comes down to for me. People who dislike my profession are not my people anyways, so any guys out there talking trash about this profession or working girls are irrelevant to my life. That being said, yes, this can be addictive, so watch yourselves guys, set a budget and stick to it. Seeing sp's can be easier than dating so I understand the convenience of it, as long as you don't max out your credit cards all the time and are responsible with your "hobby"

Lalani, there is so much wisdom in this post it should be put up as a sticky some at the top of this and every other escort review board. There is so much TRUTH here.

For me the part about the addictiveness of this hobby especially hits home. I have an addictive personality and I tend to crave sex too much at times. I also find that if I see an SP too many times in too short of a time, I'm just a person who falls in love very easily. I've fallen in love with SP's twice in my life and both times I wanted to be with her but she didn't want to be with me. It hurt both times but I am not a person who would ever stalk anyone, so both times I just stepped away, painful as it was. Now as a precaution, I rarely see the same SP more than twice in a one year period. Just keeps things sane.

I respect every single SP I've ever been with. But I like it when an SP sends me home after she's done with me, as you have before Lalani. :wink: Like you said, "no complications, everyone is happy and satisfied."

Isn't that the way it should always be??