Cutting back due to the economy?

[sensualsixty]

Looking through Tryst, it would seem that many providers are either not getting the message about the economy, or there are some real idiots out there paying stupidly high rates and skewing expectations. Take a look. 1000 is the new 500 for a lot of these ladies, most of whom you have never heard of.

Don't overlook the fact that there are a lot of people making significant income who can afford those rates. And also people who do not worry about spending - income or not. Just look at the cost of tickets for high profile entertainers. We are becoming, or have become, a society of "haves" and "have nots".

 

[blondeluver]

I don't, I'm not a fancy dude.
But the audience you're targeting are, which is great.

Since you're keeping track. The fillers, Botox, nails, etc. Which one caused the biggest spike in business? Was it sustained? Did each treatment individually stack in to your revenue? At what point did you reach where more treatments didn't mean more business? Do you ever re-evaluate your treatments when business dips or spikes?

Do these treatments still pay for themselves after a sustained period of application?

Are these treatments purely for financial gain? If so, would you get say a boob job to bump up earnings 100k? Where is the line you won't cross for revenue?

Once one starts on Botox, you will need to redo it every 3-6 months depending on the age group. After a while on it, it becomes a monthly routine. As for fillers, it is the same. If stopped, one will look even worse than before any enhancement. As for face lifts and boobs job, it is a once every 5 years thing.

 

[87112]

I don't see any lowering of prices. I know one lady close to mid 40s still asking 600/hr at the lowest.

 

[westwoody]

Just look at the cost of tickets for high profile entertainers.

Took a lady to an NHL game and it was over $200 per seat.
The days of taking the kids to a game are long gone.

 

[Crookedmember]

Don't overlook the fact that there are a lot of people making significant income who can afford those rates. And also people who do not worry about spending - income or not. Just look at the cost of tickets for high profile entertainers. We are becoming, or have become, a society of "haves" and "have nots".

A lot of people could afford to pay $200 for a Big Mac, but if McDonald's priced themselves out of reach of the great unwashed, they probably wouldn't last long.

It would be interesting to know if some ladies are setting their rates at $500 or $1000 to compensate for a dearth of customers as rates get crazy, or because they find they still can attract a lot of traffic no matter how high they set the rates.

 

[mr.idoks]

I’d argue the opposite. A new generation of onlyfans models are inevitably going to transition to this industry because of AI and it’s impact on digital. They know how to run their own businesses independently and won’t need expensive downtown real estate or the need for the agency to take a cut.

while this will definitely funnel some OF girls into the SP market, I think you are over estimating the amount of onlyfans girls there are. theres really not a ton in the grand scheme of things. and alot of them are already sugar babies on the side.
Source: I know quite a few OF girls in vancouver.

also sugaring is absolutely more way more popular with the early 18-25 year old girls than escorting.

 

[maniacalone]

A lot of people could afford to pay $200 for a Big Mac, but if McDonald's priced themselves out of reach of the great unwashed, they probably wouldn't last long.

It would be interesting to know if some ladies are setting their rates at $500 or $1000 to compensate for a dearth of customers as rates get crazy, or because they find they still can attract a lot of traffic no matter how high they set the rates.

Ego I’d say is a contributing factor. A woman often measures herself up against other women. Seeing one woman whom she perceives to be less attractive charging more than she does could have a psychological impact. It leads to a domino effect amongst all high end providers to match dollar for dollar.

A provider once told me the incremental jump from 250/hour to 350/hour cut her demand for one hour long visits in half. In spite of the financial conclusion, she did not reverse course on the decision.

 

[Once you go black]

while this will definitely funnel some OF girls into the SP market, I think you are over estimating the amount of onlyfans girls there are. theres really not a ton in the grand scheme of things. and alot of them are already sugar babies on the side.
Source: I know quite a few OF girls in vancouver.

also sugaring is absolutely more way more popular with the early 18-25 year old girls than escorting.

Not too hard to figure out why

 

[Once you go black]

A lot of people could afford to pay $200 for a Big Mac, but if McDonald's priced themselves out of reach of the great unwashed, they probably wouldn't last long.

It would be interesting to know if some ladies are setting their rates at $500 or $1000 to compensate for a dearth of customers as rates get crazy, or because they find they still can attract a lot of traffic no matter how high they set the rates.

Certain things in life have a guaranteed market no matter what .
Just look at drug dealers killing their clients with fentanyl . They don’t care , you know why ? Because no matter how many they kill off there is still a never ending supply .
same thing with escorting , you could charge $5000. Per hour and enough guys will pay it to keep you in businesses.
one guy on here mentioned a 60 yr old provider charging $500 per hr . Obviously someone’s paying it.

 

[zippy45]

I now limit my meeting girls for casual sex to trips abroad, 2 visits with an escort here and that pretty much pays for my plane ticket to Colombia. I can have 3 girls at a time, full lesbian experience enjoying the nice weather for $300 and they are there for 2 to 3 hours all I want. I dont know the cost of living/hourly wage ratio, but a waitress in Colombia makes $12 a day for an 8-10 hour shift 6 days a week.

 

[angry anderson]

Certain things in life have a guaranteed market no matter what .
Just look at drug dealers killing their clients with fentanyl . They don’t care , you know why ? Because no matter how many they kill off there is still a never ending supply .
same thing with escorting , you could charge $5000. Per hour and enough guys will pay it to keep you in businesses.
one guy on here mentioned a 60 yr old provider charging $500 per hr . Obviously someone’s paying it.

cigarettes cost $15.00 a pack I believe. So no need to quit yet if you are a smoker. Comparing sp's to fentanyl is a bit of a stretch. they're not killing anyone off to my knowledge. Part of the erotic appeal of paying for sex is the cost level, for me. A bargain is an ingredient that keeps me coming back. Not that I am trying to exploit anyone by lowballing. But there are bargains with smiling regulars to be had.
$500 to $5000 would kill any erotic component of the transaction.

 

[Once you go black]

cigarettes cost $15.00 a pack I believe. So no need to quit yet if you are a smoker. Comparing sp's to fentanyl is a bit of a stretch. they're not killing anyone off to my knowledge. Part of the erotic appeal of paying for sex is the cost level, for me. A bargain is an ingredient that keeps me coming back. Not that I am trying to exploit anyone by lowballing. But there are bargains with smiling regulars to be had.
$500 to $5000 would kill any erotic component of the transaction.

Wasn’t really meant as a direct comparison but more the comparison of endless supply of customers.
As for as price goes, its all relative to what you make. I’m in the same boat as you but many aren’t.

I’m thanKful for the lovely ladies that fit my budget that I’m attracted to and give great service .

As for myself the system that works for me is once a month in the summer months and once per season the other three seasons . Its more something to look fwrd to amongst the day to day adulting.

 

[mr.idoks]

Ego I’d say is a contributing factor. A woman often measures herself up against other women. Seeing one woman whom she perceives to be less attractive charging more than she does could have a psychological impact. It leads to a domino effect amongst all high end providers to match dollar for dollar.

A provider once told me the incremental jump from 250/hour to 350/hour cut her demand for one hour long visits in half. In spite of the financial conclusion, she did not reverse course on the decision.

yet they dont seem to factor in what men perceive as more.attractive.
what woman think men find attractive is actually quite different than what men generally find attractive. obviously its subjective to a certain degree, but theres alot of science and studies showing what men find attractive in general.
but then again theres the difference between relationship attraction vs. sexual attraction. my standards are way way lower for who I will have sex with vs. who I will date.

 

[Austinpowersmojo]

This is so true, and fully agree with your comment on ego.
For me some of the cutting back is just questioning - what am I actually getting for the rate increase?
The provider I was seeing increased her rates by 75% in under a year.
To me, it came across a pure greed, and was a major turnoff.

I have wondered if somehow the pooning rates have been kept artificially high by a lack of price competition. In any business where there are excess profits you would see new competitors entering the industry and driving down rates..of course that is in industries where there are low barriers to entries. So I'm wondering what would happen if a new pretty girl enters the business and says I'm going to undercut and charge only $225 an hour and get increased market share. Would such a girl even be able to do that or would she be harrased and driven out of business by other SW who would prefer the base rates stay at their current elevated levels?

 

[mr.idoks]

This is so true, and fully agree with your comment on ego.
For me some of the cutting back is just questioning - what am I actually getting for the rate increase?
The provider I was seeing increased her rates by 75% in under a year.
To me, it came across a pure greed, and was a major turnoff.

I gotta agree tbh haha.
Its like im paying more to see a girl who is now older. youth is their greatest currency, so it doesnt make sense in my mind to spend more money on a woman who is now older, less tight etc. just being honest.
theres exceptions of course, but ive seen alot of girls go downhill fast in the looks, service and attitude department, it can happen in just a few months.

moneys no issue for me, I can afford to see the escorts I want to see as much as I want. issue is, its becoming increasingly difficult to find SP's who im actually attracted to. even the ones who look good in their pics in their ads oftentimes dont looks as good in person. it doesnt help that theres a plethora of touch deprived men on here who are too scared to write honest reviews.

 

[maniacalone]

I have wondered if somehow the pooning rates have been kept artificially high by a lack of price competition. In any business where there are excess profits you would see new competitors entering the industry and driving down rates..of course that is in industries where there are low barriers to entries. So I'm wondering what would happen if a new pretty girl enters the business and says I'm going to undercut and charge only $225 an hour and get increased market share. Would such a girl even be able to do that or would she be harrased and driven out of business by other SW who would prefer the base rates stay at their current elevated levels?

The new entrants rates would rise to match other independents. Demand would force her to raise prices from sheer exhaustion.

The truth is if it wasn’t for the bunz club, 2274 agency, 1122 agency, pdc and luxxe group, rates would be much higher in the city. They keep prices lower because they have better controls on their overhead costs pertaining to security, condos and management. The independent provider cannot match their structure and economic advantages.

 

[mr.idoks]

I have wondered if somehow the pooning rates have been kept artificially high by a lack of price competition. In any business where there are excess profits you would see new competitors entering the industry and driving down rates..of course that is in industries where there are low barriers to entries. So I'm wondering what would happen if a new pretty girl enters the business and says I'm going to undercut and charge only $225 an hour and get increased market share. Would such a girl even be able to do that or would she be harrased and driven out of business by other SW who would prefer the base rates stay at their current elevated levels?

I think a big part is that theres the whole sugar baby thing going on also. lots of the really attractive younger woman are doing that instead , but the issue arises that they can be more picky about who they will see, so lots of guys are cut out of that market due to either not being wealthy enough, not being attractive enough, not having good social skills or being too old or even too young. sure, some of those guys can still have success, but the top girls are picky cause they can be. on the inverse, theres plenty of stories of woman who arent attractive enough to be succesful sugar babies. I also know alot of escorts cant compete when they go on sugar dating sites, because they are competing with younger more attractive woman.

then theres also OF etc but I think thats not as significant as some people think. alot of girls dont want to be that public with their sex work.

however, theres definitely a few SP's who could be charging far higher rates, but they are keeping them lower so that they can get more volume in and make more money. but there doesnt seem to be enough of them doing it to have an impact on the market as a whole.

then theres also a ton of girls in this city who are basically escorts who dont advertise on any of tryst, perb, or leolist etc.

 

[Once you go black]

yet they dont seem to factor in what men perceive as more.attractive.
what woman think men find attractive is actually quite different than what men generally find attractive. obviously its subjective to a certain degree, but theres alot of science and studies showing what men find attractive in general.
but then again theres the difference between relationship attraction vs. sexual attraction. my standards are way way lower for who I will have sex with vs. who I will date.

True

 

[Once you go black]

I think a big part is that theres the whole sugar baby thing going on also. lots of the really attractive younger woman are doing that instead , but the issue arises that they can be more picky about who they will see, so lots of guys are cut out of that market due to either not being wealthy enough, not being attractive enough, not having good social skills or being too old or even too young. sure, some of those guys can still have success, but the top girls are picky cause they can be. on the inverse, theres plenty of stories of woman who arent attractive enough to be succesful sugar babies. I also know alot of escorts cant compete when they go on sugar dating sites, because they are competing with younger more attractive woman.

then theres also OF etc but I think thats not as significant as some people think. alot of girls dont want to be that public with their sex work.

however, theres definitely a few SP's who could be charging far higher rates, but they are keeping them lower so that they can get more volume in and make more money. but there doesnt seem to be enough of them doing it to have an impact on the market as a whole.

then theres also a ton of girls in this city who are basically escorts who dont advertise on any of tryst, perb, or leolist etc.

How do they get clients ?
is it the cuddle site ?

 

[Once you go black]

I gotta agree tbh haha.
Its like im paying more to see a girl who is now older. youth is their greatest currency, so it doesnt make sense in my mind to spend more money on a woman who is now older, less tight etc. just being honest.
theres exceptions of course, but ive seen alot of girls go downhill fast in the looks, service and attitude department, it can happen in just a few months.

moneys no issue for me, I can afford to see the escorts I want to see as much as I want. issue is, its becoming increasingly difficult to find SP's who im actually attracted to. even the ones who look good in their pics in their ads oftentimes dont looks as good in person. it doesnt help that theres a plethora of touch deprived men on here who are too scared to write honest reviews.

I’ve been priced out of the incall market ( technically I could still see incalls but I would rather go a couple more times a yr than see a younger girl less times ) and now do mp’s but I follow the same rule I always have .

If my experience is meh , but do to things like lack of connection, I just wasn’t as into her as I thoiught I would be , she’s not as good inbed but I can see she gave it the honest college try ,, then I don’t review at all , not good or bad, just nothing.

If service flat out sucks , just a money grab , even if she’s way hot, I’ll generally write a short but honest review which would likely be more negative .

If the service is great , even if she’s just descent looking, but man she’s really into it amd just wants you to have a great experience w her, traditionally I’ve written positive reviews of those ladies.

One time however when I was a newbie a ton of perb members , amd I mean a TON , kept RAVING about the same women. I was too in experienced to even think of asking how old the guys were that were leaving these rave reviews. But I did look her up . She had two names she advertised under on LL , and in all of her pictures she looked about 35, mayney 40. Not a hot 40 but ok, and if the service was what these guys said it was I could live with it .
Well I went to her place, which was hard as fuck to find, lived in the middle of freaking no where ville,
Walked in , I shit you not , she was anywhere between 65 and 75 yrs old , and quite hideous as well.
No word of a lie . Looked Nothing like the photos , NOTHING. Zero resemblance. Obviously there was no way I was staying .Complete waste of my time. Took me two hrs to find her place .
In that case I left a scathing review.