Current Israeli/Lebanese conflict

[Tyrone785]

Sure.....maybe I wish I was black so I would have a bigger unit. Your comments, if not anti semite certainly sound like the same comments that the Nazi Party used

Your confusing the Judaism religion with a race. If you think they don't have enormous media control your wrong. Look at the heat Mel Gibson is getting for making a couple remarks while he was drunk. Since then Gibson has lost his contract to produce a mini series for ABC and the future of his movie "Apocalypto" is up in the air. I'm willing to bet if he made remarks about Christian or Islamic religions it wouldn't have reached the papers or wouldn't have cost him much in other areas. Britney Spears and Madonna's well publicized switching over to Judaism and the study of Kabbalah(jewish mysticism). You'd have to be naive not to realise there is a fair amount of zionism practiced in the media industry.

I don't want to label them all though. The fact of the matter is zionists give the rest of them bad names. I had a neighbor that was jewish and he was one of the nicest guys I've ever met. He was certainly my best neighbor. Respectful, well spoken, generous, nice and he was always very helpful.

 

[sdw]

Imagine if Hezbolla or any other arab organizations or countrys or whatrver had nuclear weapons. how long do you think it would take for isreal to be blasted off the map. isreal on the other hand has had nuclear bombs for years. draw your own conclusion.

Israel is a very small country. 40 miles by 112 miles. It wouldn't take many nukes to completely devastate the country. Israel can't use nukes because that would open the door to retaliation with nukes.

I've never understood why they aquired them in the first place. It is like me getting an antitank weapon to threaten a panhandler.

 

[The Lizard King]

Your comments, if not anti semite certainly sound like the same comments that the Nazi Party used

Holocaust! Auschwitz! Anti-Semite! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Everytime someone makes a comment against or doesn't agree with everything Jewish, the same old story. Makes me want to puke.

 

[westwoody]

Holocaust! Auschwitz! Anti-Semite! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Everytime someone makes a comment against or doesn't agree with everything Jewish, the same old story. Makes me want to puke.

Especially for those of us who had relatives who were also killed by the Nazis.
Second point about racism, lots of Jewish kids when I was a little tyke joked about "Schwarzties" (not a word I heard anyone but Jews using in Van in the 60's), and lots of their mothers complained about Jewish girls going out with Gentile boys-there was a word for them too but I cannot recall it. Our neighbour was always complaining "My little Margo, why can't she find a nice Jewish boy? She runs around with all these boys but they aren't our kind."
Third, criticism of the IDF does not mean that I am cheering for the other side. I have seen Islam in action up close and it disgusts me, the way Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are run is barbaric. Both sides in this conflict have plenty of piss poor behaviour that they try to deflect by throwing dirt at the other.
Neither side has any claim to moral superiority.

 

[dirtydan]

Neither side has any claim to moral superiority.

BINGO!

Bang on man bang on. There's been so much shit flung among the countries and other groups in the ME that it doesn't matter who did what to whom first.

 

[dirtydan]

Israel is a very small country. 40 miles by 112 miles. It wouldn't take many nukes to completely devastate the country. Israel can't use nukes because that would open the door to retaliation with nukes.

I've never understood why they aquired them in the first place. It is like me getting an antitank weapon to threaten a panhandler.

Simple, they fear their enemies having nukes. Whether that's right or wrong logic it doesn't matter. The Israelis have a sizeable arsenal of nukes, both for missiles and for dropping from planes. Enough I suppose to make an Arab country think twice should Israel ever be on the verge of defeat.

 

[dirtydan]

Right next to UN posts, schools, apartment buildings

Schools and apartment buildings in Beruit as well? The IDF doesn't give a flying shit if civilians or UN peacekeepers happen to get hurt or killed. They want to kill whom they deem as their enemies with little if any regard for the consequences when innocents do get the worse of it.

The latest line from the Israel can do no wrong crowd is Lebanon is being held hostage by Hezbollah. I guess to the IDF that means more and more innocent need to be killed in order to free them from Hezbollah.

I'm waiting for Ariel Sharon to miraclously come out of his coma just so he can join in the bloodshed.

 

[dirtydan]

What combat experience? Have they fought any air-to-air engagements lately? All they are doing is dropping PGMs and Hezbollah doesn't have any interceptors.

Westwoody there is far more to an air force than air to air combat. The main purpose of most air forces is attacking surface targets. And in this the Israelis have an enormous amount of experience.

And with that said, when was the last time the USAF, USN, or Marine Corps engaged in air-to-air combat? The Gulf war in 90-91?

 

[Fudd]

How's this for an example of racism that's happening in work place.

Right after the start of the current conflict, a Jewish employee came back from lunch and found a swastika written on a post it note on his computer screen.

 

[rollerboy]

Third, criticism of the IDF does not mean that I am cheering for the other side. I have seen Islam in action up close and it disgusts me, the way Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are run is barbaric. Both sides in this conflict have plenty of piss poor behaviour that they try to deflect by throwing dirt at the other.
Neither side has any claim to moral superiority.

I oppose the IDF's use of force against non-Hezbollah targets.

But moral superiority is not the issue. Terrorism is cancerous to stability and peace, because even a minor terrorist organization can plunge a country, a region, the entire world into chaos and war.

Terrorists have no accountability. The IDF is accountable to the Israeli government, and that government to the people and to other nations. If the Lebanese military had attacked Israel, there would be little question about Israel's retaliation. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, and Kuwait have come to terms with Israel's existence. Arab armies could not overcome the IDF in four wars, and they accepted the consequence. Likewise, even Syria and Iran dare not launch a military attack against Israel.

Yet sponsoring Hezbollah and terrorists groups dedicated to destroying Israel allows Iran and Syria to wage war by proxy, without facing the consequences. No stable peace can survive such circumstances. Terrorism is an agent of anarchy. As long as fools embrace terrorism as a legitimate tool of war, treaties will be meaningless, peace unenforceable, and countries such as Afghanistan, Lebanon, Chechnya, Bosnia, Sri Lanka...left to face endless cycles of violence, civil war, and devastation.

 

[The Lizard King]

How's this for an example of racism that's happening in work place.

Right after the start of the current conflict, a Jewish employee came back from lunch and found a swastika written on a post it note on his computer screen.

So where did you get that, TV? What company was it at? Can you be at all specific? I'm not saying it didn't or couldn't have happened but I am saying it's an easy thing to write just to make a point.

How's this for how fucking ridiculous the witch hunt gets. An asshole down in Hollywood gets caught driving piss drunk and there's more outrage over his drunken ramblings than the fact he could have KILLED someone.

Especially for those of us who had relatives who were also killed by the Nazis.

As tragic as the event was, do you not feel that how readily, and perhaps in opportunistic ways, some people accuse others of Anti-Semitism almost at times trivializes the actual event? Didn't the term "Anti-Semite" even make a Sienfeld episode as a punch line? Why was that? Was it an inside joke or actually okay for a non-Jew to laugh at it?

Second point about racism, lots of Jewish kids when I was a little tyke joked about "Schwarzties" (not a word I heard anyone but Jews using in Van in the 60's), and lots of their mothers complained about Jewish girls going out with Gentile boys-there was a word for them too but I cannot recall it. Our neighbour was always complaining "My little Margo, why can't she find a nice Jewish boy? She runs around with all these boys but they aren't our kind."

That's partially my point and Jewish folks tend to get a "free pass" when they do that.

I have seen Islam in action up close and it disgusts me, the way Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are run is barbaric.

Right. And they can go fuck themselves too.

Both sides in this conflict have plenty of piss poor behaviour that they try to deflect by throwing dirt at the other.
Neither side has any claim to moral superiority.

Ding! Ding! We have a winner. The whole Middle East can be nuked for all I care. After all, it's what they all want, isn't it?

 

[Rain Man]

Your confusing the Judaism religion with a race.

It appears that I am not the only one

http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm

Who is a Jew?
A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism…….. In this sense, Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship.

They control the media for the most part……If you think they don't have enormous media control your wrong. You'd have to be naive not to realise there is a fair amount of zionism practiced in the media industry. .

I believe my point was that your comments reflected those of Nazi Germany. Belief in the Jewish control of the world wide press and it’s conspiracy was a core part of the Nazis program

you should check this out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism

Racial anti-Semitism. With its origins in the early and popularly misunderstood evolutionary ideas of race that started during the Enlightenment, racial anti-Semitism became the dominant form of anti-Semitism from the late 19th century through today. Racial anti-Semitism replaced the hatred of Judaism as a religion with the idea that the Jews themselves were a racially distinct group, regardless of their religious practice, and that they were inferior or worthy of animosity. With the rise of racial anti-Semitism, conspiracy theories about Jewish plots in which Jews were somehow acting in concert to dominate the world became a popular form of anti-Semitic expression.

. I had a neighbor that was jewish and he was one of the nicest guys I've ever met. He was certainly my best neighbor. Respectful, well spoken, generous, nice and he was always very helpful.

Almost the exact words Adolf Eichmann used in his trial to argue that he was not an anti-semite. Check out the book EICHMANN – His Life and Crimes by David Cesarani.

 

[Rain Man]

Holocaust! Auschwitz! Anti-Semite! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Everytime someone makes a comment against or doesn't agree with everything Jewish, the same old story. Makes me want to puke.

yes, we have heard from you before

Guilt? ……… or is their constant screaming of "Holocaust! Auschwitz! Anti-Semite!!" every time something goes wrong for them or doesn't go their way wearing you down?

So why is it that anytime anyone uses the words anti-semite, you start talking about Auschwitz? The definition of the word is hostility toward or prejudice against Jews. If we were to discuss someone’s (perceived or otherwise) prejudicial comments against Jews how would you call it?

 

[sdw]

Westwoody there is far more to an air force than air to air combat. The main purpose of most air forces is attacking surface targets. And in this the Israelis have an enormous amount of experience.

And with that said, when was the last time the USAF, USN, or Marine Corps engaged in air-to-air combat? The Gulf war in 90-91?

The other warplanes in the world can't fly in the same sky as a F14, F15, F16 or F18 and survive.

Despite the fact that the USSR copied the F14 for the MIG 29, the 29 couldn't compete in standoff or electronics.

We routinely took on MIG 21 and MIG 28 with heliocopters in Vietnam. The electronics and standoff capability of a gunship were superior to the ability of the MIGs. When you can identify and hit a target 10 miles away, it doesn't matter how fast you fly.

In 1991, Saddam flew off his warplanes to Iran. They were never returned. Saddam didn't aquire more because of the no fly zones and the combat air patrols of the Americans.

All Saddam had after 1991 was a bunch of MILs (USSR Heliocoptor) that he used against his own population.

 

[Rain Man]

if the US would just fock off and mind their own business the whole world would be a frickin better place to live. if ………………the dick needs to stop hiding behind the bush.

Yes, it is all the Americans fault. Thanks for your wonderful contribution to our discussion.

 

[Rain Man]

BINGO!

Bang on man bang on. There's been so much shit flung among the countries and other groups in the ME that it doesn't matter who did what to whom first.

Your right it doesn’t. However, want to bet on which country is truly open to peaceful co-existence with its neighbors?

Schools and apartment buildings in Beruit as well? The IDF doesn't give a flying shit if civilians or UN peacekeepers happen to get hurt or killed. They want to kill whom they deem as their enemies with little if any regard for the consequences when innocents do get the worse of it. .

I imagine that the consequences would be much worse if the IDF really did not care. The loss of life is a tragedy.

The latest line from the Israel can do no wrong crowd is Lebanon is being held hostage by Hezbollah. …... .

I guess that means me? I do believe that neither Lebanon nor the UN have done anything to disarm Hezbollah in the last how many years and that southern Lebanon is a Hezbollah enclave.

I'm waiting for Ariel Sharon to miraculously come out of his coma just so he can join in the bloodshed.

You too?

 

[Rain Man]

I oppose the IDF's use of force against non-Hezbollah targets.

But moral superiority is not the issue. Terrorism is cancerous to stability and peace, because even a minor terrorist organization can plunge a country, a region, the entire world into chaos and war.

Terrorists have no accountability. The IDF is accountable to the Israeli government, and that government to the people and to other nations. If the Lebanese military had attacked Israel, there would be little question about Israel's retaliation. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, and Kuwait have come to terms with Israel's existence. Arab armies could not overcome the IDF in four wars, and they accepted the consequence. Likewise, even Syria and Iran dare not launch a military attack against Israel.

Yet sponsoring Hezbollah and terrorists groups dedicated to destroying Israel allows Iran and Syria to wage war by proxy, without facing the consequences. No stable peace can survive such circumstances. Terrorism is an agent of anarchy. As long as fools embrace terrorism as a legitimate tool of war, treaties will be meaningless, peace unenforceable, and countries such as Afghanistan, Lebanon, Chechnya, Bosnia, Sri Lanka...left to face endless cycles of violence, civil war, and devastation.

Yes, what he said

 

[Rain Man]

And with that said, when was the last time the USAF, USN, or Marine Corps engaged in air-to-air combat? The Gulf war in 90-91?

Were there any air to air fights in 90-91? If so must have only been a couple of times. Yes, air-power is all about hitting what is on the ground. The sheer resources and technology of the USAF makes it the best in the world by a far margin.

 

[sdw]

Were there any air to air fights in 90-91? If so must have only been a couple of times. Yes, air-power is all about hitting what is on the ground. The sheer resources and technology of the USAF makes it the best in the world by a far margin.

The biggest difference that the USA has is the command and control aircraft. Many nations have the F16, F18 and other American warcraft.

They can't fight the Americans because they don't use their aircraft the same way.

With the command and control aircraft monitoring the airspace and relaying the information to their warcraft, the American warcraft do not have to go to aggressive illumination of targets. The American warcraft are using passive identification of the other warcraft.

Modern standoff weapons home in on a warcraft's electronic radiation. If you are passive, you are difficult to target. If you have to illuminate your target, you are yourself a target.

 

[dirtydan]

Were there any air to air fights in 90-91? If so must have only been a couple of times. Yes, air-power is all about hitting what is on the ground. The sheer resources and technology of the USAF makes it the best in the world by a far margin.

There were a few in the Gulf War of 1990-91. I do believe it was Iraqi Air Force Mirage F-1's rather than any of the Soviet/Russian fighters that made up the bulk of the air force.

I will again advise caution when ranking the USAF. One may have the best equipped air force, but that does not necessairly make it the best air force. There is, most obviously, a difference between the two. Give me an air force, army, navy, whatever that doesn't necessarily have all of the expensive goodies but has a great deal of experience over a force that is better equipped but its personnel has less experience. We all too often assume that because a weapon system is American that it's automatically the best in the world.