I had to read this a number of times to understand that this poster apparently is THE expert on ALL escort relationships and that they NEVER end up with a high value attractive guy.
Common stereotypes and misconceptions [escort edition]
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The thing with stereotypes is, they do tend to be true, and those who focus solely on the outliers believe that proves the truth incorrect, when in fact it's the opposite. That's a fallacy. Because the outlier would be you in this case; that being one who is a "higher-tier escort" as opposed to those who work the mid-track, or lower.
I understand that all providers come from all walks of life, but I'd place good money that most who work the "high-track" are intelligent and well-adjusted, coming from strong family backgrounds and values. And of that breed of people, there are those with a certain cultural mindset, that could navigate through the hardships better than most who work on tracks of lower tiers. That people like you have a plan, long term goals, tracking milestones to know when to bow out of the game before "the house takes you" for playing too long...
...but that doesn't mean these stereotypes aren't valid either. For myself, I look for the middle of the mid-track and high-track, and I can obviously see that at least one of these stereotypes apply to them.
>She’s an escort, she must not have a present father or father figure.
This can go either way. Even with a strong parental figure in their life, telling them "not to do a thing" if they wanted to be a good strong productive person, they'll do it anyway. "Eve ate the apple", right? The provider in question would have a strong sense of self-entitlement to go ahead and do it anyways. I know this from personal experience as a girl I went to high-school with, hung out in the same circles, turned to prostitution because (no joke) her parents wouldn't buy her a cellphone. This was in the late 90s, fyi; before Iphones and the internet. The father was a lawyer, told her if she wanted something like that, she should get a job and pay for it herself. A lesson of self-reliance, that normal parents impose on their child. So she chose prostitution instead of going to Wal-Mart or McDonalds; and yes, she was a senior in high-school. She was an upper-middle class princess, high GPA, who chose the easy path, instead of the righteous one.
>She was probably se*ually abused as a teen*ger.
There's an opinion on this. But the last time I mentioned it I got flamed to hell, except one guy telling me: Women hold two cards in this game: "Consent and Deniability"...and that's all I'll say.
>They’re all on dr*gs, there’s no way they can do this job sober.
Went to this one incall where she had a glass bong and a bottle of 1942 on the shelf. She was sober and coherent, had a great time. But to imply that their "body is a temple" otherwise, I don't buy it.
>I know they don’t actually find their clients attractive.
Heck, even I know I'm not attractive anymore, I hit the wall a long time ago. But I have a great personality (contrary to how I present myself on PERB), and if the provider I seek won't judge me too harshly, then we're all good.
>She charges X/hour, that means she must make YY per year
Not really my business to know, much less care about their gains. I mean, if she uses her gains to represent herself well, then my only judgement would be that she knows how to handle her business, and must be good at what she does to maintain her lifestyle.
>She for sure doesn’t pay taxes
Wouldn't care about this either way. Pay your taxes under the assumption the system works for you, or screw the government (especially with who our PM is) and keep all that under the table cash... That said, never understood why Escorts would pay taxes anyways? I mean, is it out of principle? Trying to legitimize the sex-trade in the eyes of the government, thinking they'll be taken more seriously? "Even though we do illegal and taboo things, we still pay our taxes, so listen to us!". Or out of fear of being audited if the taxman is curious about your luxurious lifestyle? Even certain providers moonlight from their regular job, so if that job keeps the rent and bills paid, so why report the extra cash?
I understand that all providers come from all walks of life, but I'd place good money that most who work the "high-track" are intelligent and well-adjusted, coming from strong family backgrounds and values. And of that breed of people, there are those with a certain cultural mindset, that could navigate through the hardships better than most who work on tracks of lower tiers. That people like you have a plan, long term goals, tracking milestones to know when to bow out of the game before "the house takes you" for playing too long...
...but that doesn't mean these stereotypes aren't valid either. For myself, I look for the middle of the mid-track and high-track, and I can obviously see that at least one of these stereotypes apply to them.
>She’s an escort, she must not have a present father or father figure.
This can go either way. Even with a strong parental figure in their life, telling them "not to do a thing" if they wanted to be a good strong productive person, they'll do it anyway. "Eve ate the apple", right? The provider in question would have a strong sense of self-entitlement to go ahead and do it anyways. I know this from personal experience as a girl I went to high-school with, hung out in the same circles, turned to prostitution because (no joke) her parents wouldn't buy her a cellphone. This was in the late 90s, fyi; before Iphones and the internet. The father was a lawyer, told her if she wanted something like that, she should get a job and pay for it herself. A lesson of self-reliance, that normal parents impose on their child. So she chose prostitution instead of going to Wal-Mart or McDonalds; and yes, she was a senior in high-school. She was an upper-middle class princess, high GPA, who chose the easy path, instead of the righteous one.
>She was probably se*ually abused as a teen*ger.
There's an opinion on this. But the last time I mentioned it I got flamed to hell, except one guy telling me: Women hold two cards in this game: "Consent and Deniability"...and that's all I'll say.
>They’re all on dr*gs, there’s no way they can do this job sober.
Went to this one incall where she had a glass bong and a bottle of 1942 on the shelf. She was sober and coherent, had a great time. But to imply that their "body is a temple" otherwise, I don't buy it.
>I know they don’t actually find their clients attractive.
Heck, even I know I'm not attractive anymore, I hit the wall a long time ago. But I have a great personality (contrary to how I present myself on PERB), and if the provider I seek won't judge me too harshly, then we're all good.
>She charges X/hour, that means she must make YY per year
Not really my business to know, much less care about their gains. I mean, if she uses her gains to represent herself well, then my only judgement would be that she knows how to handle her business, and must be good at what she does to maintain her lifestyle.
>She for sure doesn’t pay taxes
Wouldn't care about this either way. Pay your taxes under the assumption the system works for you, or screw the government (especially with who our PM is) and keep all that under the table cash... That said, never understood why Escorts would pay taxes anyways? I mean, is it out of principle? Trying to legitimize the sex-trade in the eyes of the government, thinking they'll be taken more seriously? "Even though we do illegal and taboo things, we still pay our taxes, so listen to us!". Or out of fear of being audited if the taxman is curious about your luxurious lifestyle? Even certain providers moonlight from their regular job, so if that job keeps the rent and bills paid, so why report the extra cash?
haha dont worry man, I know.
The sex work I have done/still do:
-I manage girls onlyfans accounts
-I have my own onlyfans were I do b/g content and collab with girls who have OF and do b/g content with them. essentially a male "pornstar"
-I have done male stripping in the past, which came with the occasional male escorting to female clients (rare)
The Positives:
-I make really good money for my age, mostly from the OF management, my OF, and 50% of the profits everytime a girl sells a b/g video with me in it.
-I get to have sex with hot girls both on and off camera, being friends with and doing business with sex workers gets me around lots of hot girls too.
The Negatives:
- My dating life has taken a major hit, as I've mostly narrowed my options for long-term relationships to sex workers like OnlyFans girls or escorts. Truth is, these girls can be very challenging to date and aren't ideal partners. Many of the stereotypes mentioned in this thread ring true based on my own experiences with sex workers, whether it's in a business or romantic setting.
-In my experience, when dating non-sex workers, girls have less issue with the OnlyFans management side since they know it can be quite profitable. It's actually the male pornstar part that tends to raise some concerns for them.
Honestly, it's a total deal breaker for like 99% of non-sex worker women. It's pretty clear that's the reason because many girls will be super into me until they find out about that part, then they go ghost when they find out haha.
Like the movie Apocalypse Now I hear the quote inside my head “never get out of the boat” except I reworded it.
“Never go into the Lounge” while surfing the perb. This thread is why.
“Never go into the Lounge” while surfing the perb. This thread is why.
I hate to keep going on about the dating stuff, but as a dude who is close friends with a bunch of sex workers and does business with them too, if you ever hear one of them claiming that it doesn't have a majorly negative impact on their dating life, they're straight-up lying. sure they can get dates, they can get sex, but a lot of those dudes just want something casual with them. And it's not just that guys don't want to take them seriously, it's that the guys they actually want to date , the guys they are really attracted to don't want anything to do with them. I know sex worker girls who'll post on social media that they can "date any guy they want," but then they end up crying to me that the guys they really want won't give them the time of day. It's not like I'm being a jerk about it, because the same thing happens to me as a male sex worker when I try to date non-sex worker girls.
I'm totally up for doing a Q&A thread, but I gotta watch out so the mods don't think I'm promoting myself/advertising. So, I'll need their permission before I can go ahead. But seriously, I don't want any of my other accounts related to my business or sex work attached to this PERB account , haha.
As for why they need management, it really depends. For those bigger accounts, they simply don't have the time to chat with all their fans all day. Here's a secret: if it's a big OnlyFans account, chances are you're not actually talking to the girl herself. It's usually an employee from a management company, haha. We also help with advertising, collaborations, social media, and other stuff. Honestly, a lot of accounts don't blow up or get big without a management team. There are some people who are just lazy or terrible at handling the business side of things. Personally, I manage a few accounts with less than a thousand fans, but we usually manage to boost them up if the girl is willing to put in the effort. I could go into alot more detail if anyone wants.
It's kind of like the escorting industry in that a lot of these girls probably wouldnt be able to cut it in any other industry or career. There's definitely a lot of room for laziness and lack of competence in the sex work industry, unfortunately (I guess fortunately for them haha).
Where did you male strip at? was it at a club or was it for bachellorete parties? how respectful were the female clients?
When you male escorted could you describe the clients? age, body type?
Sure, believe what you want. But not everything has to be some deep-seeded psycho-analysis of the situation. Especially since the night the parents found out what she did to get her cellphone caused a massive family blow-out, that me and my friend (who was her next door neighbour at the time) spent the entire night leaning against the fence in his backyard, instead of playing Street Fighter II all night long like we planned, lol. That night, it was pretty cut and dry that she relied on her feminine wiles to get things off men. The mother basically had to connect the dots for her to realize that makes her "a hooker", and her response was "yeah, well, maybe dad should've bought me the phone"... so to be fair, going back to my point too, if there was any 'deep-seeded issue' going on, it would be that she was spoiled until the eve of her adulthood.
Bold statement.
May I ask if you’ve considered that some providers are choosing not to share personal info with you, or being selective/strategic about said info?
Personally I wouldn’t rave to a client about my partner that is rich and handsome-doesn’t seem like the time or place. And complaining about a lack lustre partner is a great play to make you want to be white knight, if a provider chooses to go that route
Omg I love this question!Misconceptions??? Would love to see ladies answer this
1)They see clients as wallets only ?
2) don't believe in having regular clients as, maybe, friends?
1) I would not have lasted in this industry if I felt this way. I happily work 3 jobs heavily involving customer service because building relationships is my most valued aspect of my careers.
However this is a JOB. There have been rare occasions that I’ve had to somewhat remove myself and simply provide a service, but that doesn’t feel good. The wallet may hold the prize but the man is the gatekeeper and building at least a professional relationship is always worth it.
2) Personally, theres difference between my regulars and the men considered friends. While both may seek the same service for me, a regular is a client that is familiar, while a friend is someone I trust and developed a relationship where I feel comfortable sharing personal info ie real name, number, residence, experiences. Time with friends isn’t measured. I can be myself, let down my “customer service personality”. I feel deeply grateful for friends I’ve met through work. I’ve thought about how these relationships come to be but there’s no formula. The stars aligned juuust right
Another bold and general assumption. You would probably have no knowledge if someone’s partner was a sex worker unless they’ve decided to make it public information. If they decide to keep it private, that’s up to them. I don’t really understand what you mean about the “big deal”. I don’t think sex work is a big deal, but that doesn’t mean I don’t maintain discretion.
Many women in general actually do have a good sense of who’s bullshitting, probably why so many are choosing to remain single. As a provider you’d have 10x more experience with such. Why is it you think we’d go for anything when plenty of us are experienced, attractive and independent?
This is a really interesting conversation but I do sense a hint of projection. I recommend taking a look at the women you surround yourself with, respectfully
She’s an escort, she must not have a present father or father figure.
This has never really crossed my mind-i'm not there to play amateur psychologist.
She was probably se*ually abused as a teen*ger.
Same answer as previous
They’re all on dr*gs, there’s no way they can do this job sober.
They certainly are not, though i'd guess it's more prevalent in the industry. I've run across it unfortunately but don't assume. I'm not answering ads for "party" girls
I know they don’t actually find their clients attractive
Of course they do-the ones they find attractive. Furthermore, attraction can be built on a number of things over time-or lost
She’s going to be single for as long as she does this job
I've never thought this, though i do believe it must be harder to date, in a traditional sense
She charges X/hour, that means she must make YY per year
People are incredibly naïve. Assuming anything about one's earnings without a copy of their tax return is laughable. Even then, tax returns can be very misleading as we all know
She for sure doesn’t pay taxes
I know a lot of people with cash businesses or workers receiving cash that don't fully report income. I assume SW industry is no different. Some do, some don't.
I find the comment about neurodivergent to be accurate. It seems to be more prevalent in this industry vs what i mingle with outside of it. Never thought about it a lot until i read it in the thread
This has never really crossed my mind-i'm not there to play amateur psychologist.
She was probably se*ually abused as a teen*ger.
Same answer as previous
They’re all on dr*gs, there’s no way they can do this job sober.
They certainly are not, though i'd guess it's more prevalent in the industry. I've run across it unfortunately but don't assume. I'm not answering ads for "party" girls
I know they don’t actually find their clients attractive
Of course they do-the ones they find attractive. Furthermore, attraction can be built on a number of things over time-or lost
She’s going to be single for as long as she does this job
I've never thought this, though i do believe it must be harder to date, in a traditional sense
She charges X/hour, that means she must make YY per year
People are incredibly naïve. Assuming anything about one's earnings without a copy of their tax return is laughable. Even then, tax returns can be very misleading as we all know
She for sure doesn’t pay taxes
I know a lot of people with cash businesses or workers receiving cash that don't fully report income. I assume SW industry is no different. Some do, some don't.
I find the comment about neurodivergent to be accurate. It seems to be more prevalent in this industry vs what i mingle with outside of it. Never thought about it a lot until i read it in the thread
That is very wishful thinking... it almost always comes out publicly in some form or another
as for the rest of what you said, while I could provide numerous evidence and examples to prove you wrong, it seems like you're unwilling to accept what men generally think. Therefore, there seems to be no value in me constructing a counter argument.
I’m actually pretty receptive so thanks for sharing! I’m not interested in proof I’ll take your word for it
I could absolutely go back and forth with you in this as I really think you’re generalizing not only providers but women entirely. Both you and vitaminD have an unfortunate perspective but nonetheless very good to know you feel that way.
