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VanCityNewb

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This doesn't just apply to Christians.
This applies to all religions and cults.
Not really. Jews and Islam actually do take those things much more seriously. While they're kind of known for being polar opposites. With Jews being much more laid back and open to any sort of interpretation you could imagine, yet still strictly observing and quantifying all of god's laws. And the more militant branches of Islam, being much more strictly by the letter of the book. I can at least intellectually respect their beliefs and justification behind them, even if I may not agree.

Christianity, to me, has been unique in their leaps of mental gymnastics to follow anything except the words of god and Jesus in the bible. Which is funny, because they'll be first in line to ignore all known science, just because it disagrees with the book that they ignore so much of themselves. Which I find especially ironic.
 

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Not really. Jews and Islam actually do take those things much more seriously. While they're kind of known for being polar opposites. With Jews being much more laid back and open to any sort of interpretation you could imagine, yet still strictly observing and quantifying all of god's laws. And the more militant branches of Islam, being much more strictly by the letter of the book. I can at least intellectually respect their beliefs and justification behind them, even if I may not agree.

Christianity, to me, has been unique in their leaps of mental gymnastics to follow anything except the words of god and Jesus in the bible. Which is funny, because they'll be first in line to ignore all known science, just because it disagrees with the book that they ignore so much of themselves. Which I find especially ironic.
Jews and Muslims seem to be working hardest to manifest Armageddon.
So I will have agree to disagree.
 

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Jews and Muslims seem to be working hardest to manifest Armageddon.
So I will have agree to disagree.
Not sure what that's based on? Jews are still waiting on their messiah, although they are doing well with the whole war to spread Judaism to the world. But that's supposed to result in worldwide peace, where even lions lie down with lamb, and stop eating meat. I'm not really aware of a similar concept in Islam.

So far as I know, Armageddon is pretty unique to Christianity.
 

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My 2 cents is that it would be nice if we could dust ourselves off and climb out of the primordial swamp and become civilized. Leaving behind antiquated belief systems that only divide us and wreak havoc in our world. How about do away with Christianity and the god thing. A new world based on honesty, respect, kindness, empathy, care, compassion, and yada yada .......

Doesn't hurt to dream LOL
 

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Not sure what that's based on? Jews are still waiting on their messiah, although they are doing well with the whole war to spread Judaism to the world. But that's supposed to result in worldwide peace, where even lions lie down with lamb, and stop eating meat. I'm not really aware of a similar concept in Islam.

So far as I know, Armageddon is pretty unique to Christianity.
According to Ezekiel chapter 38, the "war of Gog and Magog" is a climactic war that will happen at the end of the Jewish exile.
Take mankind out of the equation and certainly the world would be at peace.
You really believe that lions will somehow be able to live off berries and grain?

This is ludicrous to use bullshit to cover for bullshit.
If feel sorry for anyone who believes this crap in this day and age.
 

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Ye of little faith.
If religion is the opium of the masses, its the control of the masses through faith and scripture by the few who want power over the masses. Education and learning are the anti-thesis of religion.
What is beyond a man's understanding is the unknown.
Can man have faith without a god?
There is no doubt that man has fucked up this world, Religion having a major effect in fucking it up....
 
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Ye of little faith.
If religion is the opium of the masses, its the control of the masses through faith and scripture by the few who want power over the masses. Education and learning are the anti-thesis of religion.
What is beyond a man's understanding is the unknown.
Can man have faith without a god?
There is no doubt that man has fucked up this world, Religion having a major effect in fucking it up....
I empathize with your statement on this, and to be honest mostly agree.

IMO faith is a requirement to pull oneself out from a less than desirable situation, and contributes little to help a successful person achieve greater success.
As far as the unknown, human beings are naturally inquisitive, and as a result we continue to find answers to the unknown.
Faith without GOD; well my above statement isn't entirely accurate, but is truthful from an emotional standpoint. Faith is merely a trust or confidence in someone or something, and one does not need a god for this.
You final statement I agree with the most, however I "personally" would have worded it by changing 'Major effect' to Major contributor'.

Progress can be just as detrimental to humanity, as it is beneficial, and the same goes for religion.
 

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Fuck religion. I find it ridiculous that humans think there is a God and somehow we are a major part of their plan. Talk about ego. We are frail, powerless animals who will die and be forgotten in the blink of an eye. Nothing we achieve in our lifetime will be of lasting significance. Death is also terrifying, and it is a very real possibility that we will never to experience life again after this one. Our planet is filled with horrors and stories of suffering. In my opinion religion was created as a coping mechanism to handle the raw reality of our existence and from there evolved as a method to control.
 

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Fuck religion. I find it ridiculous that humans think there is a God and somehow we are a major part of their plan. Talk about ego. We are frail, powerless animals who will die and be forgotten in the blink of an eye. Nothing we achieve in our lifetime will be of lasting significance. Death is also terrifying, and it is a very real possibility that we will never to experience life again after this one. Our planet is filled with horrors and stories of suffering. In my opinion religion was created as a coping mechanism to handle the raw reality of our existence and from there evolved as a method to control.
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Fuck religion. I find it ridiculous that humans think there is a God and somehow we are a major part of their plan. Talk about ego. We are frail, powerless animals who will die and be forgotten in the blink of an eye. Nothing we achieve in our lifetime will be of lasting significance. Death is also terrifying, and it is a very real possibility that we will never to experience life again after this one. Our planet is filled with horrors and stories of suffering. In my opinion religion was created as a coping mechanism to handle the raw reality of our existence and from there evolved as a method to control.
Although I can empathize with your position, I do believe it is a wee bit harsh.
Religion has its place, with some folks, just not me, and evidently not you either.
 

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Or, God without Christianity. Science knows God's plan. The universe expands forever, stars turn into burnt out cindre with frozen planets. A philosophically inelegant outcome for an infinite time frame. A one off event and total fluke. I know I'm off topic but some things need some background to make sense. Scientific discussion about a God invariably must include discussion about how consciousness arises in the universe. Simply, rates of things happening invariably leads to consciousness. The science. Faster the rates, the greater the consciousness. The human brain the most energy hungary organ in the body. A Gestalt, if you will arises, things becomes more than their constituent parts. Analogously, in image above a solid white triangle appears on a same solid white surface. Make the parts move and you'd create any number of gestalts depending on how quickly the pieces move and in three dimensions. Here now we're thinking about electrical activity in the brain in three dimensions.

Something moves incredibly faster and much more ubiquitously. The spin of the nucleus of each atom in the universe.

Physical science finds the abode for God. Consciousness all about you and in you. In every nucleus of every atom in the universe. Not necessarily working for you when you expect it but nevertheless premonition, telepathy, gut feeling, clairvoyance, ESP, or just a culmination of your past experiences giving you an unreasoned response that turns out to be correct.

God's future would look better if the universe would turn around and contract under the force of its own gravity. Measurement in science isn't perfect so maybe the burnt out universe will stop expanding, contract into a singularity and re-explode into a new cycle in a hundred billion years.
 
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How Israel destroyed Kamal Adwan Hospital and sexually abused doctors, patients it abducted

Kamal Adwan Hospital was north Gaza's last functioning hospital before the Israelis destroyed it in yet another act of unabashed terrorism.

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As expected, the largest and the last functioning hospital in north Gaza was finally destroyed completely by the Israeli barbarians on Friday.

As I have documented in these pages, Kamal Adwan Hospital in Beit Lahia, north Gaza, was besieged for nearly three months by the Israelis, who reduced the hospital’s surroundings from all sides to rubble with relentless bombardments over several weeks. They also kept dropping bombs from quadcopters over various departments of the hospital, shot indiscriminately at people entering or leaving the hospital, set its various parts on fire, and cut vital oxygen and fuel supplies that ran its generators.

After months-long campaign to send it the way of Al-Shifa Hospital — which was rendered, in the words of a WHO spokesperson, unable “to function in any way, shape or form” by the time the Israelis were done with it in April — the Zionist troops set Kamal Adwan Hospital on fire after evacuating it of its doctors and patients, some of whom were still attached to their medical devices and in no position to move on their own. Through the course of the near three-month siege of the hospital dozens of patients and doctors were killed by the Israelis; hundreds more were left injured.

The Palestinian Health Ministry in Gaza released a string of alarming updates on Friday afternoon, apprising the world of the barbarism being unleashed on the hospital by the Zionist troops in the hope of saving it:

🚨 After the occupation forces stormed Kamal Adwan Hospital and cut off communication with the hospital director, the fate of the health staff and patients is unknown.

🚨 The occupation celebrates the end of a year of genocide by destroying Kamal Adwan Hospital.

🚨 The occupation evacuated some patients at gunpoint to the Indonesian hospital that the occupation destroyed a few days ago is a crime and a continuation of the occupation’s disregard for the system of values that govern the world.

🚨 Occupation forces force medical staff, patients and companions to undress in the extreme cold and take them outside the hospital to an unknown destination.

But just like the ministry’s dozens of pleas in the past, no one came to the hospital’s rescue. Doctors, paramedics, patients, and their relatives — numbering over 400 in total — were forced out of the hospital at gunpoint by the Israelis and taken to an unknown location.


Dr. Hussam Abu Safiya, the director of Kamal Adwan — who remained steadfast through months-long Israeli savagery that consumed his own son, Ibrahim, and continued to care for his patients as Zionist bombs went off left, right, and centre — was among those kidnapped by the Israelis.

In one of its updates from December 27, the Palestinian Health Ministry said that there was a direct threat of arrest against Dr. Hussam, “Dr Hussam Abu-Safiya received a clear and direct threat: ‘This time we will arrest you.’”

His whereabouts remain unknown. (When the Israelis destroyed Al-Shifa Hospital, they had arrested its director Muhammad Abu Salmiya, and released him after seven months of incarceration during which he was abused and tortured.)


Dr. Hussam Abu Safiya leads the funeral prayer for his son Ibrahim.

Those taken away by the Israelis endured torture and abuse. Here’s an eyewitness testimony of the events that transpired before Kamal Adwan’s complete destruction:

Here’s another testimony of a patient abducted from the hospital:

Sharouq Saleh al-Rantisi, a paramedic at the hospital, revealed that while the demonic Israelis prepared to decimate the hospital, they didn’t refrain from indulging in their favourite activity: sexual abuse. Al-Rantisi said that the Jewish supremacists “made us take our tops off and pull down our pants.”

Geneva-based Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor released a report on December 28 in which it reported “deliberate killings, field executions, as well as sexual and physical assaults on women and girls from medical teams and displaced women in the area” at the hands of the Israelis.

The report goes on to reveal harrowing accounts of sexual assault against nurses, patients, and their companions:

Israeli soldiers forced women and girls to remove their clothing under threats, insults, and offensive slurs targeting their honour. Several women and girls also reported being sexually harassed.

One of the women expelled from the area told the Euro-Med Monitor team: “A soldier forced a nurse to take off her trousers, then placed his hand on her. When she tried to resist, he struck her hard across the face, causing her nose to bleed.”

Another woman reported that a soldier told a woman in their group: "Take it off, or we’ll force it off you."

In another incident, a woman refused to remove her headscarf, prompting a soldier to tear her clothes, exposing her chest. One victim recounted being dragged by a soldier who forced her to press against him, saying, “Take it off now,” while hurling obscene remarks at her.

Similarly, a hospital staff member told the Euro-Med Monitor team: “The soldiers ordered us to remove our hijabs, but we refused. They then turned to the girls under 20 years old and demanded they remove their hijabs, but they also refused. The soldiers decided to punish us by taking two women at a time and forcing them to lift their clothes and lower their trousers under threats and coercion.”

Kamal Adwan’s destruction is latest in the relentless Israeli assault on Gaza’s medical infrastructure as the Zionist occupation attempts to make the besieged enclave unfit for human habitation. The Israelis have destroyed every single one of Gaza’s 30 plus hospitals, some of them multiple times. Palestinians with their resourcefulness and resilience have restored some of the hospitals to whatever level they could. But most of the facilities are barely functioning, if at all. Due to the crippling siege imposed by the Israelis and targeted attacks on doctors and other medical staff, the hospitals lack the resources to treat the flood of patients that Israeli bombardments are creating daily.

In a missive issued by the Palestinian Health Ministry on the fateful Friday, it gave an account of the various wings of Kamal Adwan that were attacked as the occupation troops forced the staff and patients of the hospital to move to another medical facility that was already destroyed by the Israelis.

Kamal Adwan Hospital is suffering from a suffocating siege, as the operations, surgery, laboratory, maintenance, ambulance units and warehouses have been completely burnt down, and the fire is now spreading to all buildings.

The occupation army is forcibly transferring the sick and injured at gunpoint to the Indonesian hospital, which lacks medical supplies, water, medicines, and even electricity and generators.

Patients are threatened with death at any moment due to the harsh conditions.

Numerous occupation army vehicles are surrounding the hospital, making the situation extremely dangerous.

The statement added that the Israeli operations against Kamal Adwan is a “knockout blow” and fits with the grotesque “general’s plan” — an Israeli plan propounded by the Israeli ghoul Giora Eiland — which calls for levelling all civilian infrastructure in northern Gaza after labelling it military target and enforcing a complete siege of the territory to ultimately make way for Jewish settlements with no place for the native Palestinians:

It is worth mentioning that three public hospitals used to cover medical services in the northern Gaza Strip: Beit Hanoun Hospital, the Indonesian Hospital, and Kamal Adwan Hospital. Beit Hanoun Hospital was completely destroyed, and the Indonesian Hospital was completely out of service after all infrastructure was destroyed.

The only hospital that was partially functioning due to the lack of medical supplies is Kamal Adwan Hospital.

What is happening today is the occupation’s knockout blow to the remaining health system in northern Gaza, and this fits perfectly with the generals’ plan to end the presence of the population in the northern Gaza Strip.

Since the beginning of the genocide on October 7, 2023, the Palestinian Health Ministry has made numerous appeals to international organisations to come to the rescue of Gaza’s medical infrastructure, but its ceaseless appeals have never amounted to anything.

Undaunted, it made more appeals as Kamal Adwan’s destruction at the hands of the Israeli occupation forces was underway:

Excerpts from a Palestinian Health Ministry press conference on December 27:

We call on international organisations to find an alternative to ensure the continued provision of health services in the northern Gaza Strip.

We call on the international community to stop the grave Israeli violations against patients and health facilities.

Al-Awda Hospital has been directly targeted by the occupation for 80 days.

We do not know anything about the fate of the patients and medical staff inside Kamal al-Adwan Hospital.

International organisations are aware of what is happening in northern Gaza, especially in hospitals.

We are facing a huge deficit in the clinical capacity of hospitals in Gaza governorate.

The fresh set of appeals also fell on deaf ears as the so-called “international organisations” probably busy in preparations for the New Year galas with multi-course meals and endless bottles of champagne at some of the fanciest hotels in existence.

The attack on hospitals in Gaza has been so normalised during the course of this genocide that all such appeals seem to disappear down a blackhole. At this point, one can only marvel at Gaza’s medical administrators who still continue to appeal to “international organisations” to come to their rescue and ease the catastrophic situation their people are condemned to brave on their own.

Western media couldn’t be bothered about the fate of the Palestinians, who continue to be killed by the hundreds every single day with weapons supplied by the Western governments and dropped on the heads of innocent civilians by Israeli terrorists as they accelerate their extermination campaign.

As Israeli designs on Kamal Adwan entered its end game, the hospital and its vicinity resembled scenes straight out of a dystopian nightmare. The Israeli terrorists deployed robots to place explosive-laden boxes in front of the hospital. The bombs would be remotely

Quadcopter drones were also put to service. These flying death machines would drop explosive payloads on the hospital premise and cause fatal damage to the patients and hospital staff.

On December 24, Dr. Hussam gave an update on the destructive capacity of the explosives dropped by the robot vehicles and the death machines hovering overhead:

Yesterday, for the first time, robots advanced close to the hospital, posing a great danger. They were very close and unloaded explosive boxes.

As a result, after they exploded, all the barriers inside the hospital were destroyed, and the internal doors were destroyed.

The destruction was horrific, and twenty people were injured in the hospital wards, including five members of the medical staff.

Since this morning, the drones have returned, this time larger and carrying boxes of explosives. Each box weighs more than twenty kilograms, and they are currently being dropped on the houses surrounding the hospital. These boxes are causing explosions followed by fires in the targeted areas. Anyone who moves in the hospital yard is at risk, as the drones dropping the bombs are targeting anyone who moves.

If this were a Hollywood script, it would be rejected out of hand for being too far beyond the realm of possibility — surely, no audience would believe such sadistic behaviour? Yet, this has played out in real life as the Palestinians have screamed for help day and night for months without avail.

Back in November 2023, the Israeli terrorists turned the Turkish-Palestinian Friendship Hospital, Gaza’s only cancer treatment facility, into a military base. Palestinian journalist Younis Tirawi has obtained footage showing the Indonesian Hospital in northern Gaza is also being turned into a military base. Kamal Adwan will probably also go the same way as the entirety of northern Gaza is being flattened save for some structures that serve as Israeli military checkpoints and bases.

The Indonesian Hospital in northern Gaza also being turned into a military base. Photo: Younis Tirawi
In one of its last appeals the Palestinian Health Ministry made a damning statement, “History will record in the pages of shame all those who have any action to stop this genocide and did not move a finger.”

In a world that has seen Jewish exceptionalism play out in all its coarse and uncouth nakedness, the Israelis couldn’t care less about how history views their barbarism. The shame, indeed, will be on us for seeing it all unfold right in front of our eyes but failing to prevent it. We have seen over 300,000 Palestinians devoured by the Zionist death machine. Children are freezing to death due to a lack of food, clothing, and shelter. Hospitals are being burned down in broad daylight while doctors are stripped naked, abducted to unknown locations, and abused sexually. How will we live with such shame?

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For any review or condemnation of Israeli actions and atrocities in this ongoing war to be at all worthy of my interest, it must also include a balanced review and condemnation of Palestinian actions and atrocities bent on perpetuating war.

Palestinians, it seems, will never be happy until all Israelites are murdered and eliminated from the planet. They promote genocide and act on it every chance they get. Palestine could have avoided this current manifestation of the never-ending hatred against their sworn enemies. They didn’t. They lit the fuse and danced in the streets at the murder and abduction of Israeli citizens. They too are serial offenders. They provided an invitation for escalation, and got it.

Any sense of religion or morality was lost long ago in the gulf. Perhaps martyrdom is considered a religious virtue by some, but murder can never be accepted as righteous.

The West allows this to happen because the Palestinians do not appear to want peace, only ongoing conflict and murder. Peace talks have been tried and failed many times over many decades. A few limited ceasefires happened, but never sustained peace. So regrettably we are witnessing what happens when someone pokes the bear and thinks the bear should hit back. Good luck with that.
 

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Now, back to Christianity and Religion (good topic)….

Christianity without god makes no sense to me. Jesus being god’s son after all. And of course Christianity by definition is Jesus focusses. He’s Jesus F*ng Christ after all! I’m more interested in Christian Values, and how they have played out both positively and negatively over time. How are they trending?

Another interesting concept is “Good without God”. Meaning, I can be good without requiring me to follow any particular religious tenements. Let’s face it. The religion that most of the people of the world profess to be depends on where they were born and what religion their parents were affiliated with. I do believe we are seeing more people “choose their religion” than in the past.

Alleluia!

People can also be highly spiritual and good, while believe in something greater than themselves (god if you will), without subscribing to one limited doctrine or faith.

There are things we simply do not understand. How the universe came to be? Is this all just a simulation? What the fuck is dark matter/dark energy anyway; or are we just making shit up because we haven’t fully figured out how the universe totally works yet?

If we knew everything, we’d be the next gods….
 
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