Changes on PERB to lead us into our next 20 years
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I don’t think a template would necessarily restrict someone’s posting style. It would just prompt certain information we should all include in a post and put it in an easy to access location. It would also allow easy indexing for services, personality and physical attributes. There can still be a section in a template for long form submission. Just having a "name" field in a template would make searching and comparing reviews infinitely easier.
The format will only be as useful as the honesty put into it.
A lot of probs seem to arise from variations of reviews and the information in them. I don’t think narrowing the variation helps but there’s probably a way to do it that is survey-based. This would be a format that aligns with strongly disagree to strongly agree.
Now this opens up a whole other can of worms and something that needs a lot of ethical discussion IMHO.
With all that being said I think providers need to have the most say in whatever happens next. They cannot control whether a client is honest with their review but they can certainly help take away some of the elements that can turn reviews and review boards into a sewer.
A lot of probs seem to arise from variations of reviews and the information in them. I don’t think narrowing the variation helps but there’s probably a way to do it that is survey-based. This would be a format that aligns with strongly disagree to strongly agree.
Now this opens up a whole other can of worms and something that needs a lot of ethical discussion IMHO.
With all that being said I think providers need to have the most say in whatever happens next. They cannot control whether a client is honest with their review but they can certainly help take away some of the elements that can turn reviews and review boards into a sewer.
I voted for both. I've mentioned Perb creating a new format / layout look quite a while ago on here. I think change is good. Nothing wrong with a new look. Besides, the membership base listed at the bottom of the main page is outdated. There is no way Perb has 100,000 + members who are active. I would venture to guess that 10% or less is active.
Since Perb is a fairly large forum, I truly believe it should explore more avenues on recruiting more ladies right across the board. Excluding the current event that is surrounding all of us, I have noticed less ladies on Perb compared to years ago. Not sure why that is. Could it be other platform avenues they are experimenting with?
Since Perb is a fairly large forum, I truly believe it should explore more avenues on recruiting more ladies right across the board. Excluding the current event that is surrounding all of us, I have noticed less ladies on Perb compared to years ago. Not sure why that is. Could it be other platform avenues they are experimenting with?
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Reviews are a huge FREE value added benefit that is responsible for driving up product sales. Think Amazon, AirBnB, B&H Photo, *any* computer manufacturer. Perb is no different. A girl with a good assortment of reviews will discover their phone will ring off the hook, and they get to raise their prices according to normal supply and demand rules. Just like how parking meter rates are set.
The Perb engine used - "vBulletin", really is an insult to the current state of the art that the above mentioned social media-centric entities. Toss this ancient BBS 1990's technology that clearly has not kept up with the times. Sure it has a few nice features that Facebook, Twitter and such do not have, but the 80% of the feature set the aforementioned have is entirely missing from the vBulletin engine.
Forms in the 'old' sense are restrictive and annoying. Ask any girl trying to advertise on LL how excruciating the process of posting an ad on that site is. Get a survey and ask Perb readers how much fun they find Searching Perb is. Ask most girls who cringe at reviewers who publish too-intimate YMMV details that readers who think that regardless of who they are, should get the same service. If there was a real-time grammarly approach to noticing the typical abbreviations used, and it accumulated this into a "form" design to allow readers to efficiently filter in/out messages to zero in on what they are looking for, this would be great for both free-form writers who would be rewarded with such posts and readers who don't have to wade through so much garbage.
Hire a couple of UX and UI person and an analytics specialist to help design a replacement from the ground up. Do NOT use a canned solution that is fine for the IT crowd but is much hated by folks used to contemporary social media offerings.
Going by what multiple vendors do, it seems that the 5-point start rating system is the most widely used 'quick' rating system that heads up a review. News sites that use a commenting engine that posts to Facebook are nice, they allow up and down voting and sub-replies to threads that are collapsed by default.
Comments should not be removed willy-nilly as they currently are from Perb except for the rather subjective "community standards" AND the poster is notified. Right now a lot of posts are manually removed, the writer may get put into "Perbatory" and their sins otherwise detailed. Posts that are inappropriate need to be flagged automatically right from the beginning by an automated system that catches 90% of the garbage. One example is if a user is using multiple handles and the same IP, a properly designed automated system would instantly catch that crap and deal with it instantly.
In Facebook or Amazon land, if a "shill" review appeared it would be downvoted and comments allowed to comment as such. Others who didn't agree with the shill and would upvote the review and add comments. Obviously if a reviewer has only one post and it is a glowing review of a previously unknown girl, the system would automatically provide a score to help readers more quickly evaluate the veracity of the information and upvote, downvote without commenting. A blocking feature would allow readers to hide such reviews and see how many others also blocked the subject girl and the writer to further improve the ability of the reader to assess the quality of the information -- all done automatically.
What would be ideal is a marraige of Facebook, Craigslist, Amazon reviews, twitter, and a per-person revenue-generation site such as OnlyFans. Get rid of stupid LeoList and the ugly ancient vBulletin-based Perb forum, the ridiculous Cuddleup site, pretentious elitist brochure sites such as Tryst, and create a customized integrated system. Collectively, these sites bring in enough cash to warrant the development cost.
Just make a hate list of the current system rather than suggesting any more kludges that will justify it's continued existance. That's what surveys are for.
40-message limit on private messages? Make that go away. Sooo stupid.
Colored text editing? Toast it. *NO* other contemporary social media allows readers to be subjected to this visual pollution created by the clueless.
Auto-quoted responses consuming vast amounts of vertical scrolling space. Imagine if Facebook allowed this.
Page navigation for single threads where you have to manually search each "page" for text? Yuck. Make it go away.
Waiting 15 seconds before you can perform another search? What moron designed THAT?
Number of posts beside each person's name, great, keep that. The rest of the details I would expecte to see if I *choose* to view that person's home page like Facebook.
Disallowing "unpaid" girls the ability to post? That is rude, greedy and requires hiring enforcers to manually read all messages and slap violator's wrists and invent a condescending "Perbatory".
Posts deleted by moderators with zero notification to the author as to why in most cases.
Blocking any links to a few competitors such as Tryst, what a childish way to deal with competition to protectd your own income stream. Thing of better ways to generate cash.
RED for paying advertisers and dire consequences for any others violating rules, all MANUALLY managed and time take to berated each violator individually? Begone with that.
Forms are fine, but the second you force someone to spend more time on a contribution just to follow a desired format can result in stifling less verbose contributors. The shills can and will take over as they have the time and financial motivation to do so.
Authors have profiles on vBulletin but they are empty, unlike the Facebook and every other social media approach.
If the system was Facebook and social media aware, a review would be as simple as sharing a providers ad and prefacing it with relevent commentary. It would be "liked" with various types, not simply have an an accumulation of views. Shares (Facebook) or Retweets (Twitter) would be the norm. Allowing quoting and the
When you have a system that monetizes certain social media features and punishes the violators for not reading the rules that flies in the face of current conventions on how people interact on these systems, this is when the operators need to take a serious look at how the fundamentals of what needs to be achieved and what technology best suites that.
For example, girls (only girls, by the way) pay to get "red" status. They are expected to magically "know" they cannot reply to guy's reviews on them if they are not paid and have their login colored red.
Even the more colorful and impactful reviewers miss basics such as non-subjective information such as price, height, weight. What normally happens is other readers pipe up and fill in the gaps. Such threads need to be mined for relevant information and that consolidated for each girl to make life SOOOO much easier for readers.
Artificial verbal restrictions such as not posting photos of girls (because the site is pay-for-girls and that is viewed as free advertising), that is annoying for readers who know some girls with the highest value may not have a lot if wherewithall or cash to post their skills; it is the readers and consumers that provide the highest value to such a review site. In the YouTube world these people are referred to as influencers. There are plenty of models out there to mine to best determine an approach to take to build a brand value (talking about "Perb" as a brand).
The Perb engine used - "vBulletin", really is an insult to the current state of the art that the above mentioned social media-centric entities. Toss this ancient BBS 1990's technology that clearly has not kept up with the times. Sure it has a few nice features that Facebook, Twitter and such do not have, but the 80% of the feature set the aforementioned have is entirely missing from the vBulletin engine.
Forms in the 'old' sense are restrictive and annoying. Ask any girl trying to advertise on LL how excruciating the process of posting an ad on that site is. Get a survey and ask Perb readers how much fun they find Searching Perb is. Ask most girls who cringe at reviewers who publish too-intimate YMMV details that readers who think that regardless of who they are, should get the same service. If there was a real-time grammarly approach to noticing the typical abbreviations used, and it accumulated this into a "form" design to allow readers to efficiently filter in/out messages to zero in on what they are looking for, this would be great for both free-form writers who would be rewarded with such posts and readers who don't have to wade through so much garbage.
Hire a couple of UX and UI person and an analytics specialist to help design a replacement from the ground up. Do NOT use a canned solution that is fine for the IT crowd but is much hated by folks used to contemporary social media offerings.
Going by what multiple vendors do, it seems that the 5-point start rating system is the most widely used 'quick' rating system that heads up a review. News sites that use a commenting engine that posts to Facebook are nice, they allow up and down voting and sub-replies to threads that are collapsed by default.
Comments should not be removed willy-nilly as they currently are from Perb except for the rather subjective "community standards" AND the poster is notified. Right now a lot of posts are manually removed, the writer may get put into "Perbatory" and their sins otherwise detailed. Posts that are inappropriate need to be flagged automatically right from the beginning by an automated system that catches 90% of the garbage. One example is if a user is using multiple handles and the same IP, a properly designed automated system would instantly catch that crap and deal with it instantly.
In Facebook or Amazon land, if a "shill" review appeared it would be downvoted and comments allowed to comment as such. Others who didn't agree with the shill and would upvote the review and add comments. Obviously if a reviewer has only one post and it is a glowing review of a previously unknown girl, the system would automatically provide a score to help readers more quickly evaluate the veracity of the information and upvote, downvote without commenting. A blocking feature would allow readers to hide such reviews and see how many others also blocked the subject girl and the writer to further improve the ability of the reader to assess the quality of the information -- all done automatically.
What would be ideal is a marraige of Facebook, Craigslist, Amazon reviews, twitter, and a per-person revenue-generation site such as OnlyFans. Get rid of stupid LeoList and the ugly ancient vBulletin-based Perb forum, the ridiculous Cuddleup site, pretentious elitist brochure sites such as Tryst, and create a customized integrated system. Collectively, these sites bring in enough cash to warrant the development cost.
Just make a hate list of the current system rather than suggesting any more kludges that will justify it's continued existance. That's what surveys are for.
40-message limit on private messages? Make that go away. Sooo stupid.
Colored text editing? Toast it. *NO* other contemporary social media allows readers to be subjected to this visual pollution created by the clueless.
Auto-quoted responses consuming vast amounts of vertical scrolling space. Imagine if Facebook allowed this.
Page navigation for single threads where you have to manually search each "page" for text? Yuck. Make it go away.
Waiting 15 seconds before you can perform another search? What moron designed THAT?
Number of posts beside each person's name, great, keep that. The rest of the details I would expecte to see if I *choose* to view that person's home page like Facebook.
Disallowing "unpaid" girls the ability to post? That is rude, greedy and requires hiring enforcers to manually read all messages and slap violator's wrists and invent a condescending "Perbatory".
Posts deleted by moderators with zero notification to the author as to why in most cases.
Blocking any links to a few competitors such as Tryst, what a childish way to deal with competition to protectd your own income stream. Thing of better ways to generate cash.
RED for paying advertisers and dire consequences for any others violating rules, all MANUALLY managed and time take to berated each violator individually? Begone with that.
Forms are fine, but the second you force someone to spend more time on a contribution just to follow a desired format can result in stifling less verbose contributors. The shills can and will take over as they have the time and financial motivation to do so.
Authors have profiles on vBulletin but they are empty, unlike the Facebook and every other social media approach.
If the system was Facebook and social media aware, a review would be as simple as sharing a providers ad and prefacing it with relevent commentary. It would be "liked" with various types, not simply have an an accumulation of views. Shares (Facebook) or Retweets (Twitter) would be the norm. Allowing quoting and the
When you have a system that monetizes certain social media features and punishes the violators for not reading the rules that flies in the face of current conventions on how people interact on these systems, this is when the operators need to take a serious look at how the fundamentals of what needs to be achieved and what technology best suites that.
For example, girls (only girls, by the way) pay to get "red" status. They are expected to magically "know" they cannot reply to guy's reviews on them if they are not paid and have their login colored red.
Even the more colorful and impactful reviewers miss basics such as non-subjective information such as price, height, weight. What normally happens is other readers pipe up and fill in the gaps. Such threads need to be mined for relevant information and that consolidated for each girl to make life SOOOO much easier for readers.
Artificial verbal restrictions such as not posting photos of girls (because the site is pay-for-girls and that is viewed as free advertising), that is annoying for readers who know some girls with the highest value may not have a lot if wherewithall or cash to post their skills; it is the readers and consumers that provide the highest value to such a review site. In the YouTube world these people are referred to as influencers. There are plenty of models out there to mine to best determine an approach to take to build a brand value (talking about "Perb" as a brand).
More critical analysis:
Can you farkers imagine the typical HATRICK review done with a mandated template:
A. Cup of Joe (always from 7-Eleven, never designer ) in hand prior ?? yes
B. Trick mobile pointed
E.
W.
N.
S.
(check one)
C. Casino pre-func? y/n
D. $$$$$ success at casino pre-func. ? y/n
E. how much $$$$ either way ?
F. How did the woman respond to The Trickmobile at first drive-by??
G. How did the woman respond to The Trickmobile at sixth drive-by??
H. Once inside The Trickmobile, how did the woman respond to the Snatchlight ??
I. Was this woman previously listed for The Pussy Posse at any time???
J. How many greens, how many purples, and how many reds??
K. Could you talk her down to a non-livable wage?
L. Does she have a new phone number compared with any previous listing for The Pussy Posse ???
M. Did she remove her teeth for the encounter?
N. Was this woman a W.O.T. ???
O. Did she have a "flapper" ??
P. IF this review is posted by Hatrick himself, did the woman phone her own father so that her father could speak directly to you? (no other reviewers need answer question P. )
Q. Did you return to a casino after scoring that first goal??
R. Did you go back out to the low-track after a second foray at the casino ??
S. Which number in order was the present reviewee among the evenings conquests?
T. Did you see numerous other women you've known while merely driving by them on the tracks?
U. Did the first encounter of the evening take you to The Poon Palace ??
V. Could this date be described as "Good to Go" ??
W. Did you negotiate a special rate with this woman, to be afforded members of The Pussy Posse ??
X. What is that rate? in reds, greens, purples or browns (though of course it will never amount to as much as a brown)
Y. Did the evening's first companion leave anything in The Trickmobile ???
Z. Was the sometimes-elusive Hat Trick scored on this night???
Now consider what this place would have missed throughout time were it severely constricted in the way of review templates that you couldn't circumvent !!!
Can you farkers imagine the typical HATRICK review done with a mandated template:
A. Cup of Joe (always from 7-Eleven, never designer ) in hand prior ?? yes
B. Trick mobile pointed
E.
W.
N.
S.
(check one)
C. Casino pre-func? y/n
D. $$$$$ success at casino pre-func. ? y/n
E. how much $$$$ either way ?
F. How did the woman respond to The Trickmobile at first drive-by??
G. How did the woman respond to The Trickmobile at sixth drive-by??
H. Once inside The Trickmobile, how did the woman respond to the Snatchlight ??
I. Was this woman previously listed for The Pussy Posse at any time???
J. How many greens, how many purples, and how many reds??
K. Could you talk her down to a non-livable wage?
L. Does she have a new phone number compared with any previous listing for The Pussy Posse ???
M. Did she remove her teeth for the encounter?
N. Was this woman a W.O.T. ???
O. Did she have a "flapper" ??
P. IF this review is posted by Hatrick himself, did the woman phone her own father so that her father could speak directly to you? (no other reviewers need answer question P. )
Q. Did you return to a casino after scoring that first goal??
R. Did you go back out to the low-track after a second foray at the casino ??
S. Which number in order was the present reviewee among the evenings conquests?
T. Did you see numerous other women you've known while merely driving by them on the tracks?
U. Did the first encounter of the evening take you to The Poon Palace ??
V. Could this date be described as "Good to Go" ??
W. Did you negotiate a special rate with this woman, to be afforded members of The Pussy Posse ??
X. What is that rate? in reds, greens, purples or browns (though of course it will never amount to as much as a brown)
Y. Did the evening's first companion leave anything in The Trickmobile ???
Z. Was the sometimes-elusive Hat Trick scored on this night???
Now consider what this place would have missed throughout time were it severely constricted in the way of review templates that you couldn't circumvent !!!
Years ago and I forget the site all the reviews of one lady would be categorized under her name.
Hard to explain in a text
Nanaimo
Lady A all the reviews under her name
And so forth.
It’s better then searching and clicking on a review then going back to the search
Also many times people post names in other threads.
So having all the reviews of Lady A in one place makes it easier
And you could also search highest recommended think amazon search you have lots of options from most recent to highest ratings. And so forth.
Thanks for asking my opinion.
Hard to explain in a text
Nanaimo
Lady A all the reviews under her name
And so forth.
It’s better then searching and clicking on a review then going back to the search
Also many times people post names in other threads.
So having all the reviews of Lady A in one place makes it easier
And you could also search highest recommended think amazon search you have lots of options from most recent to highest ratings. And so forth.
Thanks for asking my opinion.
Nice response; thoughtful & articulate, with a lot of good points. The one thing that kept crossing my mind, though, is with respect to the comparisons to other mainstream social media platforms: those other platforms are only good until they're not, after which time they're woefully inadequate. I would suggest that most folks who have had an issue with their account on Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, etc, could likely attest to a good deal of frustration navigating the customer service branch associated with said service. Everything is automated, often enough leaving the people in charge of running the thing and handling customer issues unable to do much of anything. Replies take way too long, and even then little if anything is done in terms of a satisfactory resolution. I've experienced this myself with Facebook, Amazon, and PayPal.
VBulletin has it's shortcomings, no doubt, however at least the mods are able to actually run the thing, manipulating it where necessary to accomplish whatever it is they set out to do. I'm inclined to agree with much of what you suggest, Shanghai, but with issues like calling out schills, for example, if that's how they want to run PERB, it's for them to make that decision, and I like to think they have their own valid reasoning (and perhaps we're simply not privy to it)
In any event, while I do hope that PERB is a tremendously profitable venture relative to the service it provides, I suspect that in reality it's no golden goose, and as such the development of a unique platform incorporating the best aspects of the other major platforms you referenced as potential influences might be out of reach. It's food for thought in any event, and I enjoyed thinking about the possibilities.
oh my god, that's it!
We are all influencers.
I wonder if my future was cast as an influencer on those late, teenage nights passing in front of the Hotel Georgia when first viewing all of those stunners at curbside during a much different time.
I was so fortunate to have never witnessed the low track during my impressionable years.
Instead I observed the creme de la creme of ladies of the outdoor Vancouver evenings (and early mornings) and they should be commended decades later for their exceptionally well turned-out appearances and the effort they put into looking good while they practiced what was likely industry-wide upselling on a scale that is far in excess of anything that still goes on more than once in a pooning career today.
We are grubby old-ish male influencers...
We are all influencers.
I wonder if my future was cast as an influencer on those late, teenage nights passing in front of the Hotel Georgia when first viewing all of those stunners at curbside during a much different time.
I was so fortunate to have never witnessed the low track during my impressionable years.
Instead I observed the creme de la creme of ladies of the outdoor Vancouver evenings (and early mornings) and they should be commended decades later for their exceptionally well turned-out appearances and the effort they put into looking good while they practiced what was likely industry-wide upselling on a scale that is far in excess of anything that still goes on more than once in a pooning career today.
We are grubby old-ish male influencers...
To me the question of template versus free hand isn't the biggest problem. I believe the biggest room for improvement would be to have some kind of database-like application in which each provider has a unique identifier. Each and every review should be required to include the unique identifier. That would make searches so much more accurate. If there are multiple providers with similar names, searching does not necessarily provide the right list.
Just my 2¢
Just my 2¢
I believe there could be a healthy middle ground though.
Keep the face and name anonymous, but have some resemblance of a profile from the type of person making the review.
My biggest problem with PERB reviews is context. A client might have a great review or a poor review, depending on the chemistry between this client and the SP he visited. And my question is always about the source of this chemistry? Is she professional enough to leave her judgements at the door? What is type of man is writing this review?
Say for example: I'm a 40, Caucasian, 6'2", 280lbs and fit. And I'm reading a review about a mid-20s Asian SP. This review did very well to articulate themselves in explaining in detail the services she provided. What the reviewer didn't say was that he was a 20yr Asian himself, and that the service was exemplary because they identified with each other because of their age and race it was easy to have that chemistry. Now if I visit that same SP being 40 and white, would I have the same experience? It's still a 50/50 toss up at that point. On the flip side, if the reviewer was a 40yr white guy and gave the same stellar review. Wouldn't it help the SP sell their brand better knowing she's a young SP who doesn't judge clients older than them?
I realize YMMV is a fact of life in this trade, but wouldn't reducing that variance help both SP and Client choose for a better arrangement?
If privacy is the issue, then at least used vague terms to give a ballpark idea of who is writing the review, next to where you display "join date", "location", and "# of posts"....
Age: Middle-aged
Race: Mixed
Build: Slim
Girth: Bratwurst
Favorite service: BnG
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,000
As this thread is about changes to Perb and not just the poll on Review formats, I'd like to suggest an improvement to pm's which would pop-up in some way when a member logs on. I've had messages go unread for weeks while the intended receiver visits the site numerous times but doesn't notice the (number) beside notifications.
The new platform that we are testing has hundreds of features that this platform does not have
Looking forward to see Perb's new look because it's long overdue imho. And hopefully, with the changes, the ladies also return to Perb in swarms. It sure is lacking now, which understanding giving the current event.
Do we know when this new look will surface?
Do we know when this new look will surface?
OR, simply not allow ALL WHITE COLORED BANNER ADS that obscure the WHITE UNREAD MESSAGE count.
There is this concept of low-lying fruit where tiny easy-to-do changes that are possible with immediate benefits that are possible with minimal effort.
Not that would help me though, since my 40-message limit prevents anyone from sending me any new messages.
I would refrain from subjective details in the template, cause well, obviously a person can be rated a 3 or a 9. We all enjoy different types of humans which is what makes the world so interesting and fun, amirite? Information like age, location, etc for the template, subjective comments for the antidote. One day a girl can be blonde, the next a brunette, ya know? Expectations can change, but streamlining the rating/review system would be extremely helpful. If I wanted to read erotica I would go through my great aunt’s “romance novel” collection she keeps in her basement.
Agreed! Reviews are a very important part of this industry because it’s unregulated. It can take a really long time for a provider to get the business they deserve, and vice versa!
