CBC fires popular radio host Jian Ghomeshi because of his sex life

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

there is now another side to this story being presented of him being a violent unrepentant sexual harasser. A version of the truth will come out over the next few days. No need to be jumping to conclusions at this point

Anyone remember the story of disgraced swim coach and another so-called unrepentant sexual harasser? No?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Fraser_University_1997_harassment_controversy

He got his job back, but his reputation? DONE. As for others coming forward: there are always going to be those who'll want to jump on the dogpile! I am reserving judgement on either side until I hear all the evidence from both sides.

 

[Fullhouse]

Claire Monet said: "I've always found Jian's voice to be very slimy...

I suspect that he also has some body parts that get very slimy at times...

For now, none of us know what 'kinky' acts were performed, and who agreed to what .......but time will tell.

Guys should avoid having secrets in 'bedroom closets', just in case one day you really piss her off --- and she spills beans that should never be spilled.

Just remember: "Hell has no fury like a woman scorned".

 

[johnsmit]

BDSM. Or actually for sex of any kind. There is the potextual for a buse it the nature of relationships.. who loves who...who is there to use who...and what are an indaviduals hang ups..If we allow our selves to explore them .we will some times step over borders
If our partners ..allows us or want use to explore the forbidin we also may find that we step over thd line... Rape in any sexual situation can be a very fine line.. Some says yes. Then says no... .then maybe and not feel good about things after... depending how stable a relationship is..or how a person really feels about different types of sex...Our sexual exploits can come back to hurt us. .

Now gifted lover. Usually is the reacurring theme.. comeing back on some one months or years. And claiming that a wrong was done .. rape ...abuss is one thing that should be addressed at the time It happens. When there is evidence of It .. trinv to claim it a yr later .. saying some one sexual habits were degrading and Unwanted .. even though you pertisapate .. and still want that person .. does not stand up to scrutany. .

The true is that we are all fragile phycologically. . And advantages is taken of many If us In some way. By are more sexually domoment partner.

In the bsbm practice..There is are lot on communication required so abuss does not
happen ..Safe word and the word no need to be respected at all times.. where dones It go when they are not enforced to make the sex fun and exciting. . It ends up in allegation and smearing reputation in g he out side world.. The fact is if your afraid of ridicule and being chastised by your peers and society don't being doing it..

The other thing is. It not illegal.. weather there are morel clauses..or if comes out about your sex life.
Unless you are charged with a crime ... dismissal is not an acceptable way to deal with some one..

 

[hornygandalf]

Apparently according to the Supreme Court, "if a sexual activity causes bodily harm, a person cannot consent to it."
Interesting comment in the Globe and Mail today.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/the-ghomeshi-question-the-law-and-consent/article21315629/

This has a way to go before it is played out, and I think we are only getting bits of the story.
I am yet to be convinced, though, that CBC firing Ghomeshi rather than putting him on administrative leave while all the facts are investigated, was the right move to make.

 

[take8easy]

If we had all of our sexual behaviours publicized, pretty much we would be ALL be out of jobs. Also, if all of the acts between two consenting adults were criminally punishable, there would be more people in jail than out.

Sex is something that is very private and in my humble opinion, ANYTHING goes between consenting adults.

Either his ex gf submitted to his needs thinking this is going to be an LTR and she is now just pissed at him for not committing OR, she just wants to add some more money to her retirement funds.

T8E

 

[sevenofnine]

ya what was all ready said three women claiming it was not consensual.


not to defend the cbc, a lot of companies have code of conduct clauses. Its a very public company, an imagine needs to be maintained.

I dunno where does a company have the right to pick employees end and my right to work for someone begin.

 

[Wannadance]

Either his ex gf submitted to his needs thinking this is going to be an LTR and she is now just pissed at him for not committing OR, she just wants to add some more money to her retirement funds. T8E

And on what do you base this conclusion?

 

[yazoo]

ya what was all ready said three women claiming it was not consensual.


not to defend the cbc, a lot of companies have code of conduct clauses. Its a very public company, an imagine needs to be maintained.

I dunno where does a company have the right to pick employees end and my right to work for someone begin.

Good point. This sense of entitlement to a job... Employment is a contract between two parties and can be ended by either with notice or consideration.

The CBC doesn't need a reason to end their relationship with him. They just need to pay appropriate severance.

 

[1nitestan]

One wonders if this "freelance journalist" is the same one that went after John Furlong.

Until there are actual assault/battery charges filed, we will never know the extent of the physical activities. Were there safe words? Was this a case of women wanting to experience extreme sexual situations with someone who knew how....only to find out later that it wasn't such a great idea? Kind of like buyer's remorse. Maybe some people were interested/inspired by "50 Shades of Grey" only to realize that it was beyond their capabilities. In that situation, how would battery charges be filed/tried/convicted/sentenced?

Is this a fair comparison? - your friend invites you to play some hockey, where there's some contact. The game gets intense and there are some big hits. You get hurt. You may or may not get into a fight. Do you file charges? Is it that much different when it comes to sexual play? There's not enough info do defend Ghomeshi or throw him under the bus but I just wanna get a handle on how this type of thing is weighed in the grand scheme of consensual activities (sexual or not)

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Apparently according to the Supreme Court, "if a sexual activity causes bodily harm, a person cannot consent to it."
Interesting comment in the Globe and Mail today.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/the-ghomeshi-question-the-law-and-consent/article21315629/

This has a way to go before it is played out, and I think we are only getting bits of the story.
I am yet to be convinced, though, that CBC firing Ghomeshi rather than putting him on administrative leave while all the facts are investigated, was the right move to make.

criminal code of canada, section 2. definitions:

“bodily harm” means any hurt or injury to a person that interferes with the health or comfort of the person and that is more than merely transient or trifling in nature;

i would think the case will hinge on those words, assuming 'safe' protocols were agreed upon

how many times have you surprised yourself by accidentally smacking into an inanimate object hard enough to be felt, and grabbed the 'hurt' part of yourself and used the expression, 'owww...'

but were you really hurt? or just shocked and surprised?

did you feel real, long-lasting pain? or just something 'merely transient or trifling in nature?'

fear and bodily harm are two different things

 

[westwoody]

There was an interview with another woman this morning who said he was very aggressive. She claims he hit her a few times and pulled her hair, it was beyond rough sex and was not consensual, in fact she said it caught her completely by surprise.

So far that makes four women complaining about him.

They may not file a police complaint because they do not want the media scrutiny of their own sex lives. Look right here to see how, without any justification, they are written off as gold-diggers trying to cash in.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Coincidentally I had lunch with a lawyer friend who specializes in Employment and Contract Law. He's actually council for a couple of the larger unions in the province.
He just rolled his eyes when I asked his opinion.
He couldn't make a firm conclusion but from what has come out, told me that unless this Ghomeshi guy had a morals clause in his contract, more specifically outlining behaviours which may not be illegal but are not palatable to the organization, the CBC is in deep shit on this one. Likely to get settled out of court but still costing the CBC (us) millions.

 

[westwoody]

Not millions. Most arbitrators will give a maximum of two years payout.

I would be surprised if there was no escape clause for the employer. If Jian signed on and the max payout is say, a year's pay, that is he should get.

He might be in for a shock in the private sector. Maybe he could do traffic in Toronto LOL

 

[westwoody]

Not millions. Most arbitrators will give a maximum of two years pay.
We have two year contracts that are renegotiated on expiry. They have a clause allowing the employer to terminate at any time with a two year payout.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It will make for an interesting case. His lawyers could argue that the public disclosure of his sexual tastes makes him a bit of a pariah in the industry and unemployable in his field. There have been lots of cases where they will award a lot more than 2 years salary.
I do think he is partly responsible for his demise. He'd have to be an idiot to not think that still in this day and age any company is going to distance themselves from someone publically portrayed as a sexual deviant. Did he really think that at some point this wasn't going to come out?

Sure glad I'm self employed so if news of my penchant for being covered in Blue Cheese Salad Dressing and shoving Troll Dolls up my ass ever came out I'm not going to fire myself.

 

[yazoo]

Yes but the CBC didn't disclose it. He and his ex BDSM friend did. He wanted to get in front of the story. You can't hold the CBC responsible if another party makes him a pariah

 

[Smoothmover]

So, These women stopped seeing Ghomeshi immediately after these alleged assaults, right????

Thats the point I'm most interested in. If in fact Ghomeshi ignored their safe words, or got rough with them without their consent, I have to imagine thats the last time they would put themselves in that position with him.

If they continued their relationship and his (their) behavior continued, I tend to believe Ghomeshi's take and they were willing participants and at least 1 of the women is a "jilted lover" and she has possibly found 2 more women to admit "yes, he got a little rougher than I would have liked" however anonymously....

Until I see a charge/court case and compelling evidence the public would be wise to reserve judgement as I am sure most of us would not appreciate our bedroom practices put into the public sphere....

 

[MODELMAN]

The severance package for the federal government is one week of salary for every year of employment. Not 2 years. Not millions of $. If he is classified as a federal civil servant, this is what he will get. Personally, I found his program a WOT.

This makes for an interesting perspective...

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/non-date

 

[LalaniElectrica]

It's absurd that he lost his job due to this! I have complete sympathy and find it offensive that the "vanilla" world gets offended by something us kinksters do in our own bedroom! The woman who took vengeance should be charged with slander, employers have NO RIGHT in the bedroom of their employees and should have had the courtesy to overlook whatever personal information was shared. This si a sad day for Canada and BDSMer's alike! So, I can Dominate someone without making marks???

 

[westwoody]

Lalani you are completely missing the point.

The women I have heard interviewed did not sound like participants in consensual play at all.

It definitely sounded like unwanted, unexpected sexual aggression. Not a game, not S&M, not consensual.