Carman Fox

Caught in an affair

tiger69

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@JimDandy: "Are you joking tiger69 or do you really think it would be unreasonable on her part to be hurt and throw a fit? Just curious."
I am "half" serious because to me, if she gets a male escort, I'd just shrug and say..."whatever." cause I am not the physically possessive type. That's not to say that if I find out if she's sleeping with my good friend, or her co-worker, I won't go apeshit, but to me, paid sex is...entertainment...
In fact she and I had kind of danced around this topic several times, but usually it went:
Me: "I don't see why you'd get so pissy if I call a SP... Not like I love them or anything."

She: "Well fine, how about I get one too, how would you feel?"

Me: "Sure thing, if you want that's fine with me."

She: "Don't you dare..."

And usually ended there cause I knew she'd start to get huffy if that went any further.
 

Tugela

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Ok Angela, here it is;

I'm just not feeling like having any more complete strangers stick their cock in my pussy. So no point to be in red.. Maybe in a while after resting and taking time-out it will change, then again maybe not, only time will tell. The erie thing is, the universe won't allow it, for months now any time I tried to book an unknown new guy, the appointment would go south before it started, anything that could go wrong, would go wrong. Really fucking weird... :confused:

This industry can be empowering or soul destroying. Even done carefully on the empowering route, it's still wearing. The only difference is losing tiny microscopic pieces of your soul vs huge chunks... I've been in it long enough to know.. I had a veteran sp tell me the same thing when I first started, I now know exactly what she was talking about!!

I agree with Larry, this industry isn't all happiness and roses.. I know some people won't be happy with this post...but quite frankly I don't give a fuck. May as well call a spade a spade. It is what it is..

I had to duck out, otherwise if I keep going I'll end up completely emotionally bankrupt.. All the money in the world isn't worth it if I'm feeling empty inside

Sex is much better anyways when you do it with someone you are already familiar with & who you already know respects you.
I think that anyone who goes into a business like that should know what their goals are, know what their exit criteria are and treat it strictly as a business. As soon as you start to get emotionally involved it isn't a good thing, and not just for an escort, for any line of work for that matter.
 
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Larry Storch

Miss Hunter: Thank you for your frank and honest post. Truth is I haven't been on a 'date' in some time as I feel pretty much the same as you. This hobby, business or whatever anyone wants to call it; can have a dramatic effect on both sides of the equation. After a while the sex became meaningless and more often than not left me feeling empty and regretting my decision.
At this point, I'd rather take care of things myself than see an escort. Just don't like how it makes me feel.
 

sdw

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Miss Hunter: Thank you for your frank and honest post. Truth is I haven't been on a 'date' in some time as I feel pretty much the same as you. This hobby, business or whatever anyone wants to call it; can have a dramatic effect on both sides of the equation. After a while the sex became meaningless and more often than not left me feeling empty and regretting my decision.
At this point, I'd rather take care of things myself than see an escort. Just don't like how it makes me feel.
Completely agree with you. Sex that feels like rape or sex that is clearly not what she wants to be doing is actually worse than no sex at all. That's why I'm very selective about who I see and repeat often with the ladies that I enjoy. Ladies with "Line up starts here, Next client in 30 minutes" posted outside their door aren't going to see me. A 2 hour session isn't about porn star sex for 2 hours, it's about some warm up flirting, shared shower, leisurely sex and some post sex cuddling with another shared shower. I don't ask for a BJ, Rimming or DATY and hate changing positions once the sex has started. Changing positions is resetting everything and practically guarantees that I won't cum.
 

UhOh

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You reveal yourself with every post
In my opinion Caramel stands out as one of the most honest posters on this forum. There's the dream world that some members would like to believe this hobby to be and also exists the reality. Caramel doesn't promote the dream world view and I appreciate her input.
 

Caramel

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I think that anyone who goes into a business like that should know what their goals are, know what their exit criteria are and treat it strictly as a business. As soon as you start to get emotionally involved it isn't a good thing, and not just for an escort, for any line of work for that matter.
unfortunately for many sp's, this is the perfect type of work to do for someone who has no education, no experience or training, or any other life skills, and if they come from poverty. Plus its difficult to predict what type of income you can get and how long it'll take etc. There is this fantasy from a lot of guys on this board that escorts should be extremely intelligent, healthy, worldly, and responsible, goal oriented & independent women otherwise they "shouldn't be in this business"...the reality is that this industry is the perfect attraction for those who can't find any other options and are in a desperate need of a quick fix. For some it takes a lot of mental strength to get into it, and live with the choice after. Especially for the really destitute souls like drug addicts, it is the #1 way to get well and feed their addiction - for both men & women and any gender. No offense and just sayin, it is what it is. I am not including those who are forced, this is just about people who choose this of their own free will.

And of course I am NOT saying all of them are this way, or pointing to any people in particular, this is mostly common sense and what I have learned from experience and other people's experiences.

Best thing as a consumer for yourself is to avoid anything that seems sketchy or shady, but sometimes there's no way to tell, some people are great actors and can hide their issues well.
 

morementum

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Recently, two acquaintances of mine got busted by their SO's for having an affair. One got caught texting on the cell phone, then that SO called the other SO, who kicked their other half out of the house. Kinda sad, really - both have kids, both were pretty settled in their lives....

There's gotta be a million+ reasons to have an affair, but I'm guessing the risk of getting caught has got to be soooo much higher than (smartly) seeing an SP. I'm sure the thrills are great but with emotional ties and ill-defined boundaries comes potentially life-devastating repercussions.

Contrast that to seeing a professional SP - fun, exciting, thrilling (tho different, granted) and if done smartly, very discrete with little chance of discovery and the ramifications that come with that. And when I say "professional", that would include: not sending texts at all hours (unless the guy makes it clear he's comfortable otherwise, as I'm sure some are).

Clearly, my acquaintances didn't follow these simple rules.
Disagree with just about everything you conclude here. Cheating is cheating. If you are in a committed relationship and cheat you cheat - and you may or may not get caught and the harm will be what it is irrespective if you are cheating with your kid's soccer mom sponsor or some prostitute. If you are in a committed relationship and feel a need to cheat - I guess you need to justify the risks to yourself and it seems you are doing that but don't expect anyone else to buy the justification - in particularly your SO when she or he finds out.
 

UhOh

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Disagree with just about everything you conclude here. Cheating is cheating. If you are in a committed relationship and cheat you cheat - and you may or may not get caught and the harm will be what it is irrespective if you are cheating with your kid's soccer mom sponsor or some prostitute. If you are in a committed relationship and feel a need to cheat - I guess you need to justify the risks to yourself and it seems you are doing that but don't expect anyone else to buy the justification - in particularly your SO when she or he finds out.
What sane man would give up the opportunity to bone their kids soccer mom sponsor? Running around in her tight little uniform with her short little shorts and wearing a pair of sporty little boobs. Who has the willpower to walk away from that.
 

sevenofnine

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of course you do reveal yourself with every post.

but in some cases that is not a bad thing.
if you never experience anything you never really grow and mature either.


on phones.
I got a new windows phone, do you realize it tracks your location. marks where you stop as work home or just someplace you stopped or frequent.

yes and not all sp's are discreet as they should be.

I have to say I was lucky many times. shit you never even think of.

I mean I ended up in the hospital right in the er, wife and kids standing around and docs asking me what pills I was on. they didn't know I was on Viagra. and you can't fucking lie to your docs. they can look it up.
and again, they kept me in the hospital. so I needed to make some calls. so my kids went and charged my phone and brought it to me, and they were curious as to who this person was on my phone texting me.

if you play the game at some point, you should be prepared to get caught.

stupid things like leaving an sp at one in the morning at you hit a red light and look over and who is in the car next to you.
shit assume at some point your going to get caught,

your stupid if your cheating on your wife and she is the best thing that ever happened to you, you just fucking are.
that being said, there is a lot of stupid going around myself included
 
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This thread is just more proof (to me anyways) that monogamy doesn't work. Before birth control it was very important but it just seems silly now. When I see couples and they are both enjoying themselves in my presence ... I always think, this is the kind of relationship I want. Why do people need to lie and hide the fact that they have these perfectly normal urges and desires ? It makes no sense to me.
 

morementum

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What sane man would give up the opportunity to bone their kids soccer mom sponsor? Running around in her tight little uniform with her short little shorts and wearing a pair of sporty little boobs. Who has the willpower to walk away from that.
Uh, you missed my point and but a brilliant thought in my mind. While I don't have kids I do have a nephew that plays soccer and I have avoided watching his games out of fear of dying of boredom but I will look for the woman you speak of.....praying all soccer moms are as you describe and not some Melissa McCarthy clones.
 

Nakamun

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Affairs, open relationships, utilization of SPs

I've derailed this thread enough..lets get back on the topic of affairs..

I think life is best single or in an open relationship :cheer2:... Avoid the affair drama if you can!!!

I, for one, cannot honestly see myself completely committing to one person. At least not at this point in my life.. And I wouldn't want to force anyone to completely commit to me either..

There is a beautiful word I learned while reading Opening Up...That word is Compersion...it's the opposite of jealousy. Although at times it can co-exist with jealousy...

Opening up is an awesome book. It has alot of good info.. even for people who are just in casual fuck buddy relationships..to the more serious polyamoury agreements. And everything in between..
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I have not been an active member of PERB for a very long time yet I have been engaging the services of service providers for 40 years. I usually come to the site for recommendations or to be warned of who to stay away from.
I was very impressed by your comments Miss Hunter and a number of these replies and this thread is what stirred me to reflect and ultimately share my thoughts.
You had mentioned how it be best not to digress and get back to the topic at hand which was affairs. And your comment that you did not see yourself committed to one person but rather keeping relationships open or stay single . [Not exactly I'm just generalizing] Your first comment that Miss Hunter made that caused me to really think was when you shared how bits of your soul get chipped away Little by little with every encounter , with a newbie and especially many of the ones that a re disrespectful.
I think that's the key point here. Disrespect has become rampant. John's disrespecting service providers, service providers disrespect and John's, we just respecting ourselves, most people disrespecting others even if it is kept in them selves and the majority of people deep down inside not respecting themselves.
Respecting each other is something I don't see happening much anymore. True, caring and unconditional respect regardless of what's going on is not something I see not only him in this industry but in any industry and essentially it all comes down to relationships. No longer is their respect within relationships. I'm seeing that so often we are making it about ourselves. We have become very selfish and self-centered and demanding and opinionated and critical and judgmental and the list goes on. These things are very deep and well didn't and because we cannot identify them or see them we won't knowledge them.
Life revolves around relationships and our heart and soul is either build or chipped away at based on the quality of our relationships. .
I can't believe how many of the service providers nowadays are all about scamming and ripping off and taking advantage lying and manipulating.
I don't want to sound like my parents and say "I remember when". tt wasn't like that even 10 years ago yet alone 40 Years ago. Sure there's always been a of disrespect them on the profession the workers and the community but the amount of disrespect that people have for others is huge

. I think this is primarily a result of how there is much more selfishness and self-centeredness as each generation moves forward. A lot of that is from the immaturity we have as individuals because most of us and many of us have not fought through the fight to been able to build the character to stand firm on a solid foundation. It was so much easier to take the easy way out or to fake it or just fit in with the Joneses. Still a lot of disrespect among each other as there's so much finger-pointing judgment and I'm better than you don't deserve this name-calling the list goes on. Definitely not the idea of a community I want to live in and be part of I'm definitely not part of the community I would like to bring grandchildren and great grandchildren among each other as there is so much finger-pointing judgment and I'm better than you don't deserve this name-calling the list goes on. Definitely not the idea of a community I want to live in and be part of and deafly not part of a community I would like to bring grandchildren and great grandchildren.

My parents are celebrating 60 years of marriage as are many in their generation. They went through the years of depression and then a world war and then a baby boom and they learn how to fight and to push through and persevere and how to help each other and not be so self-centered. They learn to be there for each other and not manipulative and mine and disrespectful. They learn how to be hard workers and pay the price and put in the time and the effort and the energy and not expecting instant results. Quite a novel idea isn't it. There are those who are still doing that but it is fewer and fewer had a big reason for that is there's nobody to keep them or to mentor them for to be an example for them. It's becoming a lost art and growing up as a man or woman with character True character is harder to find.

They on the whole have no problem staying together. Large part of it was they were not selfish and they respected what marriage is about and we're willing to put in the time effort and energy so they could fight the fight and push through what had to be fought. That's a foreign concept to us today where as it is been often said do you want instant ratification and a quick solution happen let's just disrespect one another and talk to each other to the curb for that matter many people do not even respect yourself so it makes it very difficult for relationships to be beautiful or depressed through difficult times are going to happen. At the same time when one does not respect themselves they so easily take it out on others and unfortunately it was people like you miss Hunter stuff most of the abuse. I can totally understand how you feel and see the way that you do.
I think affairs come down to not respecting our self and not respecting the commitment you have made. I know I was brought up where it was easy to break commitments or to quit or to say one thing and do another . I could go on yet for me and it is strictly my opinion the main thing which Miss Hunter alluded to is about respect. Do we truly respect ourselves. In the deep subconscious mind are we respecting ourselves and others or are we walking around pissed off and angry and hurt and in pain hidden so deep that comes out in my calf commitment in this respect and in quick solutions and finding the easy way out. I know I said I sure that strictly as my thoughts and my Pinyan and I'm not trying to say this the way it is and everybody should do something about it. So I need that here as a fun and I know I myself personally need to keep digging deeper and looking inward and deal with the until pain, the lies that I tell myself and the actions and choices I make so that I can truly respect myself and others and in doing so being selfless so that I will have the energy to be out there doing things for others and helpful and beneficial way. sure it may also Mike Nevada but at least I got something to aspire to believe them. As this is my first post I would welcome any private messages regarding the progress of these comments from Milyer with the site and maybe do something different or better or worse that I can do . I'm open to suggestions and I do not usually take offense so please comments of the helpful kind are welcome. ( I do apologize as I have dictated this lengthy whatever we want to call it and as it is quite late and time for me to retire the second half I didn't get a chance to proof and I'm asking everybody to please respect that decision and give me a break ,lol) i'm sure I will learn how to put things in drafts and come back to finish the more important I need to learn how to keep things
 
How can you compare an affair, which is two horny parties both turned on by each other, where there is passion, the woman is enjoying and wanting it as much as the man and they know and like eachother....to an SP who is faking it for the money
Wow, I guess some girls do fake it, how many percentage wise I can't know. But I think a lot of girls are like me, we enjoy sex it's very rare for me to not find at least something in every experience to enjoy. I honestly could not do this if I didn't enjoy sex I would think guys would figure it out pretty quick wouldn't they?
 

uncleg

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Wow, I guess some girls do fake it, how many percentage wise I can't know. But I think a lot of girls are like me, we enjoy sex it's very rare for me to not find at least something in every experience to enjoy. I honestly could not do this if I didn't enjoy sex I would think guys would figure it out pretty quick wouldn't they?
When it comes to sex it's real easy to fool most/all guys..especially when they want to be fooled..and it feeds their self image of super-stud. :biggrin1::heh:
 

sevenofnine

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I have just been fighting with my wife for two weeks now, like shit,

I wish I was caught in an affair so she would kick my ass out, and I could finally have some peace and quiet
the truth of it is if you and your wife have a good think going your one big stupid shit for messing with that.

most people I think who fail at a marriage fail at the next relationship to, if its there fault that is. you got to fix what is wrong before you can move on. or at least understand it.

its funny I have been with my sp say eleven years now,
a friend happily married when I started this, divorced remarried and going through another divorce.
you got to figure out what the fucking problem is and fix if its you.
 
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