Canucks trade bernier, grabner, and first round draft pick for Ballard

[InTheBum]

Grabner couldn't break into the Canucks line up without injuries to solidify a spot in 4 years. He scored 11 points in 20 games.

Of those 5 points were scored in 2 games a hat trick near the end of the season against Anaheim (who were already out of the playoffs) and 2 assists in one game vs Edmonton and we all know what a powerful juggernaut Edmonton was this year. the 6 other points were spread through the other 18 games the kid played in. So that means he played 12 games this year and he did absolutely nothing. Like a fart in a windstorm.. On Average he had 17+ minutes and 25 shifts per game. He was given opportunities with all the Vancouver lines including the Sedins.

He will be nothing more than an asterix ***on a piece of paper in three years or just the answer to the trivia question what Austrian players have played in the NHL?

Have fun in Florida and then back home in the euro league Grabner.

Possible, but he is only 22 years old. You make it sound like Grabner is 26 and totally useless...

How old was Burrows when he finally started scoring in the NHL? It takes more than 20 games in the NHL to prove yourself.
Grabner will stick in the NHL...if given the chance...

 

[specialty69]

Keith Ballard might chop Luo's head off, like what he did with Tomas Vokoun in Florida.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jETOshVnLO8

 

[papillion]

Luo's salary is 10mil next yr, however, his cap hit is 5.3 mil which is perfectly reasonable for a top 10 goalie in the league.
A team can still win with that cap hit in goal.
THEY JUST HAVE TO PLAY HIM LESS, SO HE'S RESTED FOR THE PLAYOFFS!
Lundqvist, Ward, Miller, Giguere, Backstrom, Kiprusoff, Vokoun, Huet all have higher cap hits from 6.875 to 5.6 mil
Also, Brodeur, Thomas, Fleury are at 5mil+.

The canucks main problem is to find a #1 defenseman at about 6 mil instead of a bunch of mid-level defensemen at 3.5mil.

I agree with you, recent history has shown [Chicago, Pittsburgh, Detroit] that you can win a cup with average to mediocre goaltending if you have an excellent defense and goal scoring.
We should drop some coin on Hamhuis or Kaberle

 

[HubbaHubba]

We should drop some coin on Hamhuis

He probably would like that since he is from BC. Vancouver has a good chance to get him if the price isn't over the top.

 

[BJhunter]

But why would he play for an overachieving team? He knows Luongos overrated, no matter how well the D plays, luoie will crack under big time pressure. This years playoffs again--other than that LA overtime save & the flukey Smyth one, he didn't show what $7 or $10mill is supposed to give u clutch goaltending. If anything, Any player coming to this team has to wonder the mentality of Louie when it's clearly evident you don't need a high end goalie--which our Lou clearly is NOT-- to win in playoffs. Just look at Neimi and Leighton.

 

[papillion]

I agree with you, recent history has shown [Chicago, Pittsburgh, Detroit] that you can win a cup with average to mediocre goaltending if you have an excellent defense and goal scoring.
We should drop some coin on Hamhuis or Kaberle

We signed Hamhuis today! WOOHOO! This guy is the missing peice or the puzzle!

 

[Ray]

We signed Hamhuis today! WOOHOO! This guy is the missing peice or the puzzle!

BJ Hunter will be horrified.

 

[BJhunter]

BJ Hunter will be horrified.

Not really. Let's be honest every perbite here doesn't even know Ballard and maybe a bit more of Hamhuis. None of these guys suck cock as bad as Alberts bieksa edler and salo but trust me, u play with these lousy crap Canucks d, the new guys will follow their bad habits.

If Luongo's so great, why the emphasis on our D!??? Until that gets solved, we're never going to win. Get some real playoff WINNING experienced players, you sucky Gillis!!!

 

[Ray]

If Luongo's so great, why the emphasis on our D

Because the D is too fragile and inconsistant.
A goalie needs support.
If the worlds best snipers get enough shots on goal unhindered, they're going to go in no matter how good the goalie. Look at the shoot-outs.
We need stronger defencemen to make it hard for the opposing teams to take shots on the goalie.

I also don't think Edler sucks. Salo plays well when he's healthy, but that is very infrequent lately.
Bieksa is mediocre, but can't trade him because no-one wants him.
Alberts, hmmm, yeah...

 

[HubbaHubba]

BJHunter is right as usual. After all 36 year old playoff winning Sergie Gonchar was available at only 5 1/2 mill a year for 3 years! Gillis screwed up big time. Other GMs would gladly give winning experienced defencemen away just for a chance to pick up Jannik Hanson or Andrew Alberts but for some reason Gillis passed up the opportunity. We need a good GM, someone like Darryl Sutter in Calgary!

LMAO.....good use of sarcasm ferris, I love it!

 

[BJhunter]

LMAO.....good use of sarcasm ferris, I love it!

Sarcasm or not, Gonchar knows how to win in the playoffs. If our Nucks want to win in this short time frame, u go for it. But if u r rebuilding then forget abt the old guy.

Since gillis is stupid enough to offer sundin $20million Hubba, what's so bad abt $16.5 that Ottawa threw at Gonchar? Don't u think we need a real QB on the power play? Someone with a few cups under his belt to tutor the Edlers, Ballards et al? What r u, incompetent?

But no way, ch BW kh don't think that far. Just planning that parade

 

[HubbaHubba]

Sarcasm or not, Gonchar knows how to win in the playoffs. If our Nucks want to win in this short time frame, u go for it. But if u r rebuilding then forget abt the old guy.

Since gillis is stupid enough to offer sundin $20million Hubba, what's so bad abt $16.5 that Ottawa threw at Gonchar? Don't u think we need a real QB on the power play? Someone with a few cups under his belt to tutor the Edlers, Ballards et al? What r u, incompetent?

But no way, ch BW kh don't think that far. Just planning that parade

Yes but the problem is Gonchar is getting older and he hasn't been very durable as of late. Pittsburg let him go because they didn't want to give him the extra year and I don't blame them. Bob Mackenzie seems to think the Canucks did fantastic....what does he know?

I will say one thing on something that is used all the time and is bullsh*t. "Guys that know how to win" ....Pahlease. I get so tired of hearing that and that goes for all sports.

 

[HubbaHubba]

BJHunter is right again. Who cares that Gonchar only could play 87 games in the last two seasons combined ( Holy crap even Salo played more games lol) and that for the first 8 times that he was in the playoffs, he only went past the first round once.

Obviously Bryan Murray doesnt and hes so much smarter than Gillis. He realizes that without Gonchar, Crosby and Malkin would never have had a chance to drink from the Stanley Cup! So what if hes an aging injury prone declining asset that might be lucky to suit up for 40 games this season! You need players like that if you ever plan to win a Stanley Cup! Look at the Chicago Black Hawks. They had major stars like John Madden, and .....ummmmm Andrew Ladd who had won the Cup...and on the defence they had .......uhhhhh let me think. Hmmm, well BJHunter help me out here. Gosh it seems like most of the major players on the Black Hawks had never been there before. How about that!!!

Well its still a better deal to sign Gonchar aging and injury prone as he is for that 5 1/2 million ticket than take a couple of defencemen in the prime of their careers who rarely get hurt, have played on bad teams and have considerable upside. What was Gillis smokin taking those guys and what was Pittsburgh smokin to let gonchar go without a second thought and sign two other slugs for almost 5 mill apiece.

Thanks once again BJHunter for setting us straight!

ferris is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BJhunter]

Oh Fairy Buller, you're such a darling!

You have officially graduated from Canucklehead to Knucklehead!! And before you get too eager to see what you won, it's actually a demotion hehe.

Think about what you just did, compare the Hawks' players who haven't been there like Toews et al, who haven't been there nor won playoff experience. Like u said, they had Madden. And Ladd. And Quennville. Now compare that to the clowns we have on our frigging Nucks. Where's the winning tradition & experience to the non-playoff performers on our top 6 forwards or top 4 dmen? Don't u dare to compare Duncan/Seabrooke to our Erhoff/Salo. Our Swedish garbage would b lucky to lick the Hawks jocstraps!

Vigneault? Oh yeah, that's a winning coach/general that will take us to war and a rookie GM Gillis who's as sour as apple pie. That's a guy u want to represent the future? Compare him to Stan Bowman, Ken Holland, Dale Tallon, Shero, Pierre Gauthier---much more professional, less edgy, less snarly and much better people to deal with.

You watch, Gillis' arrogance, like Burkie & Quinn, will be their downfall. Still running the redneck show like it's the 1960s. Everytime u hear Pratt & Taylor interview Gillis, nothing but sarcasm fills the air. All you Knuckleheads are a pathetic, embarrassing joke.

 

[HubbaHubba]

Well I hate to break it to you but...I think Michael Samuelsson would be considered one of our top six forwards and didnt he just win a Stanley Cup a couple of times recently in Detroit and play an important role in securing their victory? Madden and Ladd were minor role players in their previous Cup victories, sort of like they were here. And Quenvilles experience dates back 15 years to when he was an assistant coach. So is it really that important? I am glad that we agree that having Stanley Cup winning tradition is over rated. Having the right mix of players is the key.

PS Erhoff is actually German, not Swedish and its Keith/Seabrooke, Duncan is his first name. I thought someone as expert as you would be aware of that.

BTW what happened to our exciting discussion on the merits of signing Sergie Gonchar? That seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle.

Game, set, match................ferris!

 

[BJhunter]

Game, set, match................ferris!

Hubba, it's not about winning points here, the battle lines have clearly been drawn years ago since i started my admirable and enjoyable journey of fasting the canuckleheads & KHs here and calling in the talk shows. It's a great life indeed. It's always against u guys versus me--relish the spot I'm in. Anyways I digress...

Think though, we at least share one thing--wanting our frigging nucks to win. Just the process on how to get there. These recent moves h. Maybe at best
Improved our team 10% at best & I'm being a tough ass bc time and time again, our goaltending is the weakest link.

Why Sniffy and the rest of the KH clan is so fascinated with Loiue boggles the mind. No matter what Dmen we have in front of Louie, giving up the regular garbage goal off his stick knobs or the scrambly plays, we're not getting very far. There's a reason we've been cursed this long--40 years & counting with no Cup.

It sounds good to be optimistic but when I see holes in this team, bigger than the swedish cheese, I call it when I see them. In my mind, Gonchar would help this team. The pens still did otherwise y offer him a 2yr deal, little fairy? He's solid defensively as well, $5.5 mill isn't all offence , he ain't like Mike Green.
But of course this town's so pumped over a soft Salo & erratic bieksa, and even softer Erhoff & Edler...want these guys to move Buffy? Lol

 

[August West]

But why would he play for an overachieving team? He knows Luongos overrated, no matter how well the D plays, luoie will crack under big time pressure. This years playoffs again--other than that LA overtime save & the flukey Smyth one, he didn't show what $7 or $10mill is supposed to give u clutch goaltending. If anything, Any player coming to this team has to wonder the mentality of Louie when it's clearly evident you don't need a high end goalie--which our Lou clearly is NOT-- to win in playoffs. Just look at Neimi and Leighton.

So what is your point here, I am missing it?

You say a team doesnt need a high end goalie and that we don't have one.

Why do you care how much Lou makes? If he was making less would you be happy with his performance?

Lou had a bad year based on his own record, though he did play well for Team Canada, but look at Roy and Brodeur as examples, they both had a few bad years in their long tenure in the NHL. Lou can play better and personally I hope he does next year, not to prove you wrong but because I'd like to see the Canucks win.

 

[dunnochit]

Lou had a bad year based on his own record, though he did play well for Team Canada

Played well for Canada? Maybe having these guys in front of him helped just a little.
Duncan Keith
Shea Weber
Brent Seabrook
Drew Doughty
Chris Pronger
Dan Boyle
Scott Niedermayer
I am a Canucks fan, but a Luongo crtic. He needs a really good defense in front of him. Gillis may have done just that with the recent trades, but Lou is weak, a poor stick handler, when he can hold on to it, goes down way too early way too often, which makes him predictable and you can get into his head way to easy. JMHO

 

[BJhunter]

Getting pwned by that useless dumbass fuckup Dave Pratt must be excrutiatingly embarrassing. Though judging by the way everyone does it to you on here I guess you're probably used to it by now.

Obviously u don't listen to the radio. We don't like your kind of hockey fan.