Canucks Sign Jan Bulis

[LonelyGhost]

Naslund has a no trade contract. Knowing him, he won't even consider living in Buffalo and Edmonton doesn't need him.

which can be wavied by the player ... but you are right, why would
he go to either place unless he considered them 'contenders'.

he may be at the point where he wants to play for a team that
has a better shot at the Cup within the remaining years of his contract.

or he may just want to keep soaking up $6 mil for acting like a soccer
player on ice!

 

[jimbo2006]

So what about financials? Burke turned the Canucks around on that, but did he put a better team on the ice? Was it better for the financials but not for their chemistry/performance? So are the Canucks successful because they have great financials, lots of season ticket holders, sold out games but miss the playoffs or out in the first round for five years (including lock-out)???

Or is it about great trades? Leadership? What is the measure of a GM???

Until someone answers that in a manner that can be objectively applied to any other GM (including Garth Snow!) then its all 'opinion' and we know what those are worth.

And I'll stick by mine.
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All of the above, but I suspect different teams have different criteria in evaluating GM effectiveness and talent. Maybe you can conduct a search on Ebay or Amazon for a book entitled "The absolutely definitive guide to NHL GM effectiveness --2006 edition"

Otherwise good "courtroom strategy" there LG..murkying the waters to create confusion and disarray. You may not win a popularity contest on here based on your sometimes outlandish opinions, but you are entertaining.

Really? Nonis the protege? Would it be within the realm of possibility that the 'master' didn't teach the 'protege' everything that he knows?

 

[LonelyGhost]

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All of the above, but I suspect different teams have different criteria in evaluating GM effectiveness and talent. Maybe you can conduct a search on Ebay or Amazon for a book entitled "The absolutely definitive guide to NHL GM effectiveness --2006 edition"

thanks for the book reference, will p/u a copy!

if dif teams have dif criteria then how do you make a comparison???

Otherwise good "courtroom strategy" there LG..murkying the waters to create confusion and disarray.

um, I'm actually looking for a clear, concise, cogent and objective criteria by which to compare GM's ... how does that make it murky???

You may not win a popularity contest on here based on your sometimes outlandish opinions, but you are entertaining.

if you guys think i'm a pain here, you should have seen me at work when some
dipshit 'manager' started spouting off and i started asking questions like I have here ...

Really? Nonis the protege? Would it be within the realm of possibility that the 'master' didn't teach the 'protege' everything that he knows?

hopefully Nonis learnt what he needed but has the cojones to be his own man ... the world doesn't need a bunch of Burke clones running around thinking
they are always right.

 

[ValleyGuy]

On a slightly different note, TSN reports the Canucks have signed Dman Yannic Tremblay who played last year in Germany

 

[jimbo2006]

exactly what should i compare???

And how much better were the Ducks than the Nucks? Care to point me
at meaningful stats to compare? salary? points? points per salary dollar?

do we just compare the 'names'? how many games were won? how far they
went in the playoffs? teams they beat the nucks didn't beat? teams that beat them but not the nucks?

There's a pretty decent example of murkying up the waters. How the hell can you compare the ducks to the nucks in a Burke assessment when he no longer had anything to do with the nucks last season? The 'before and after' comparison with the same team is much more effective.

Burke is famous for dumping salary, and considering the shit he got from Sergie's little brother, the Federov name probably held no special meaning for Burke so this is not really a brilliant move but one of his 'I'll drive him to the airport myself' moves. That he got a good player in return has been known to happen

Dumping salary? I think not. At the time I also questioned this move, but over time this is what has transpired: Burke got rid of an aging, ineffective and now injury prone center pulling down $6 million a year and taking up valuable cap space (now THAT is overpaid boyz) in exchange for an up and coming defenceman in Beachemin who was cheap and more importantly quite effective in helping the Ducks get far in the playoffs. Picture his knockdown of Iginla in the 1st round series for greater effect. Fedorov ended up with only 44 points and his presence hasn't helped the Jackets one bit and yes they missed the playoffs too. Worse is that the Jackets are stuck with that sky high salary of his until his contract is up. Word is for the upcoming season, Gilbert Brule will take over the #1 center duties. Fedorov will play #2...hmm $6 Mill ...geez. Without that huge drag on cap space, what does that enable the Ducks to do? Well, for starters they were easily able to absorb Pronger's $6 mill salary, and now they have the twin towers on D plus good ol Beauchemin. If ya call that a salary dump then I'll say that's one of the most effective ones I've ever seen...Again look for every major hockey rag to pick the Ducks to at least finish atop the Pacific division in the coming season due to the moves on D that Burke helped put together. 2003-2004 Ducks..missed the playoffs / 2005-2006 Ducks -21 pt improvement; went far in the playoffs thanks mainly to Scott Niedermayer and Beauchemin on D / 2006-2007 Ducks - with Pronger in the lineup..Stanley Cup anyone?

well, the Canucks were basically the SAME team that Burke compiled over the years ... so was it just Burke? Crow? Bert? Chemistry?

and same with the Ducks ... was that Burke? new players? coaching?

Just because he built the 2003-04 version of the Nucks doesn't mean he would've stuck with the exact same team in the new NHL if he were still with the team. His so-called protege Nonis or NoNuts, as you like to call him, did just that. In terms of chemistry when Burke was in charge, how about all of the above? As far as I can see, Burke kept things running smoothly all the way up and down the organizational ladder - coaches, trainers, players, etc. There was never any talk of a cancer on the team or a huge divide in the locker room. I suspect Nonis getting rid of Auld, Allen, Bertuzzi, Jovo is due in part to this locker room divide that had to be defeated - after the fact. However, the cost was a season lost and now the team has been totally transformed while opinions are divided as to whether they'll make the playoffs next year.

As for the Ducks once Burke arrived..once again its a total team effort inspired by the man at the helm. Carlyle buys into the system, the GM gets rid of players who don't conform, acquires and promotes new ones who fit in under the new system and voiila..the formula is set once again...oh and did I mention the 21 pt improvement coupled with the playoff run?

For example, does Burke have the absolute final say on every player on the ice? Ownership has no say? the Coach has no say? What about the contracts? How the players are coached? Do we then blame Burke if the 'product' doesn't produce? Do we blame the Coach? the Team Chemistry? the bloody schedule? ice conditions? the fans?

Another murky question there. Why obsess in all these details? Of course you blame Burke if the system doesn't produce since he's the one at the top who pulls the strings, He's in charge of accountability and the entire system of checks and balances that are put in place. Burke might not have the final say in absolutely everything, like for instance, how players are coached. But I guarantee you that if the Ducks hit a dry spell, Burke won't hesitate to do something to shake up the team such as make a trade or fire the coach, etc So far so good with the Ducks. The entire system looks pretty good and looks to get even better next season

if you guys think i'm a pain here, you should have seen me at work

glad to see you at least acknowledge that for a change

Btw, this will be my last reply to you on this particular thread/topic. Let it go or give in..take your pick

 

[LonelyGhost]

There's a pretty decent example of murkying up the waters. How the hell can you compare the ducks to the nucks in a Burke assessment when he no longer had anything to do with the nucks last season? The 'before and after' comparison with the same team is much more effective.

so to fairly compare Burke to other GM's, what criteria do we use? He was
at the helm of the nucks for 5 years and they went no where
(and last season they were ranked by Coaches as the team most
likely to win the cup? -- correct me if i heard that wrong).
So, since Nonis made no real dramatic changes last season,
was that his fault or Burke's?

As for the Ducks once Burke arrived..once again its a total team effort inspired by the man at the helm. Carlyle buys into the system, the GM gets rid of players who don't conform, acquires and promotes new ones who fit in under the new system and voiila..the formula is set once again...oh and did I mention the 21 pt improvement coupled with the playoff run?

so if a team achieves a better than 21 pt improvement in one season,
their GM is 'excellent'??? or if they make a playoff run? [Phillie made a
bit of a run last season, does that make Bobby Clarke an excellent GM
now???]

Another murky question there. Why obsess in all these details? Of course you blame Burke if the system doesn't produce since he's the one at the top who pulls the strings ...

because if one GM has more duties or responsibilities than another, then
can you fairly compare them? Would you say that every Premier has the
same job in every province in Canada? Then why can't Sask have the same
economy as Alberta? You know, send the 'excellent' King Ralph to Sask
and they will be as well off as them Albertans ...

Btw, this will be my last reply to you on this particular thread/topic.

it has been informative. thank you.

 

[hornyitalian06]

This thread was surely highjacked .

 

[wilde]

This thread was surely highjacked .

You are so observant.





Ever considered a career in stating the fucking obvious?

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[hornyitalian06]

You are so observant.





Ever considered a career in stating the fucking obvious?

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What is your problem . Why don't you contribute something worth readingo . If cannot say anything constructive just keep it to yourself.

All, I was trying to do was get everyone on the correct subject/topic .

 

[wilde]

Why don't you contribute something worth readingo . If cannot say anything constructive just keep it to yourself.

That's exactly my problem with you. On this very thread you have mentioned it was hijacked TWICE, do you think other members are blind or just illiterate? Or do you like to point it out again to show how fucking smart you are?


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