C36 Merged thread, everything goes here

[Fullhouse]

Parking, discrete or non discrete, would be least of my concern.

I would just hate to have my face parked on the front page of a newspaper.

Gee take8easy, I don't know what it's going to take for you to believe that the new C-36 laws don't come into effect until Dec. 6th. --- (which is still 20 days away).---, even though it has been mention here on Perb hundreds of times, including 2 minutes before your post #6--------- in post #4.

So, don't worry about your face parked on the front page of a newspaper because of your pooning habits until at least Dec. 6th.

You have a much better chance of appearing on the front page when your wife finds out that you're paying for sex with about 10 different SPs a month, and she does a 'Lorena Bobbitt' on you ............................... cutting off your penis....:fear:

 

[Fullhouse]

This thread does underline the importance of not revealing exact incall/outcall locations - in ads or in reviews.

So please tell me, Sarah, why did you post this under the quote of my last post, which has absolutely nothing to do with revealing exact incall/outcall locations --- in ads or in reviews ??????????????.....

 

[Violet]

i'll paraphrase an expression that some of the ladies are fond of throwing out regularly...

'his board, his rules!'

'nuff said?

Of course a wesbite owner can make whatever rules they like, but when you pay for a service monthly and in advance and that service is suddenly changed, it seems fair to politely inquire about the reason behind the change, to try to determine if it is/isn't in fact a legal requirement and to see if others know about the change or have any thoughts on the matter.

Exactly

The law sates that you can not post sex for money.... so ladies posting these kind of ads will face problems with the new law.

Any sites that allow these kind of ads should be avoided by the ladies and the men

I have never advertised or offered sex for money, the part I was confused about is no longer being allowed to link to reviews.

 

[Violet]

Paranoia - a thought process heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, to the point of irrationality and delusion

I think you are correct in your analysis that you are being paranoid. Try to think about it rationally or maybe take a break?

Re : hotel / motel rendezvous:
Discreet parking could be a concern.

000-000

Hey, maybe the owner of that vanity plate is just an innocent writer/fisherman?

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Of course a wesbite owner can make whatever rules they like, but when you pay for a service monthly and in advance and that service is suddenly changed, it seems fair to politely inquire about the reason behind the change, to try to determine if it is/isn't in fact a legal requirement and to see if others know about the change or have any thoughts on the matter.

believe me, i understand perfectly

it's a bit like a pooner, when asked to pay handsomely for a service from an escort, but wants to ask some questions about exactly what that service entails before he books an appointment, being told quite brusqely by the escort that it's 'her body - her rules' and finding himself on her black list for having the temerity to ask some pointed questions before booking

yes, i understand

and this is not directed at you - rather at those who throw that expression around indiscrimately

as aesop said, 'what's good for the goose, is good for the gander...'

 

[augie]

Why do you feel incalls are safer?

Don't you think cops would notice dude after dude, going into a building they don't live in, then coming out an hour later?

Don't you think they would text the sps on erslist, especially the often-mentioned ones, pretending to be a john to get the address info?

 

[augie]

And you know those people, that actually live there, families, mothers with children, the ones that give you old farts dirty looks in the elevator... when dec 6 kicks in, who they gonna call?

 

[rick hunter]

Facepalm:

No point in commenting anymore on the subject. You guys Just won't listen. No reason, No logic no understanding for the situation.

In order for the cops to notice dude after dude going into a building they don't live in.

1) How many Town houses, Condos or Hotels are in Vancouver alone? Hundreds
2) How many people live in those buildings? Hundreds to Thousands (when you compile them all.)
3) How many of those people living in those buildings are orphans with No friends? Why is that important because Family and friends VISIT PEOPLE!
4) They would have to have photographs of EVERY person who lived in those buildings. No going to HAPPEN
5) A data base of photographs of people who up until last month and Dec 6th were law abiding citizens. They could use facial recognition software off the drivers license data base but put your tin foil hat back on.

Do you EVEN have the Slightest understanding on the logistics and manpower that would be required to pull something like this off? Do You?
The Vancouver Police have probably about 2,000 members this just in THEY AREN'T ALL INVOLVED IN VICE!

What it fucking boils down to is IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THIS ANYMORE THEN DON'T. But stop with this fucking over paranoid rhetoric you guys keep spouting over and over, or go spend some time at a christian bible camp.

Rant done.

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I totally agree with this post. Everyone needs to fucken take a chill pill. I'm sure a few people here do drugs or download movies/software that they don't pay for. Those are both illegal activities, yet you don't read/hear about that on the news.

The only time a incall is outed is when the neighbors notice a lot of people coming in/out of the place.

BTW ERS was actually started by CSIS to track all our ISP numbers. Better erase all your criminal activities before the swat team arrives and rams down your front door.

 

[clu]

If it's the Surrey Central Inn on 104 ave, that's a totally cool place to go, park in the back and use the rear entrance.

Um, you should always ask whether it's ok before using the rear entrance, and it may cost extra. Oh, wait you meant a door.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Um, you should always ask whether it's ok before using the rear entrance...

what do you mean... it's surrey!

 

[augie]

You have valid points Badger but you're thinking too large scale.

Of course they can't do thousands of operations on every sp location

They might just do 100 or 50 or 20

But what if one of those operations catches... you?

Of course not every mother will report the DOM going to see his 19yo whore on the 11th floor. But what if one of them does and it's... you?

("you" being any pooner)

They ARE incapable of catching everyone, i don't deny that. But all it takes is ONE... yourself

And even if you DONT spend a single day in jail or john school or a dollar in fines (although you might get one or some of those)...

...would you risk having a permanent black mark on your record? So when you need a new job or want to travel they do a background check and see "Investigated on 12/8 on suspicion of being PERV POONER"?

 

[kes458]

Well said BadgerJohn. ! Your comments/analysis to "Augie"are pretty accurate. BTW, enjoy reading your mature/common sense/level-headed and sometimes humorous comments. Thanks

 

[peacectryguy]

Why do you feel incalls are safer?

Don't you think cops would notice dude after dude, going into a building they don't live in, then coming out an hour later?

Don't you think they would text the sps on erslist, especially the often-mentioned ones, pretending to be a john to get the address info?

I honestly have serious doubts that the cops have enough in there budget to do a "stake-out" at a 20-30 unit condo counting guys going in and out just to maybe get lucky and catch one or two "johns" even post Dec.6th. They don't even stake out drug dealers and that is higher priority for them. Not saying you don't need to be careful but people need to relax already. As for hotels/motels, it depends where they are. A busy, high traffic hotel is completely safe. You walk in and go straight to the elevators like you know exactly where you are going and with confidence. Don't act all stupid, looking all over for someone "watching" you. If it's a fairly high traffic hotel, nobody pays attention and in lower traffic, acting like you belong there doesn't send up red flags. Once past the lobby, nobody sees where you are going and then it's just simple discretion. I've been in many and never had an issue, ever. The motels are a little different. Open courtyards with the office having full view, imo, is always more likely to draw attention from the manager and they might (or might not) have the cops come by to check it out. It all depends on the individuals involved.
Cops are only going to be there if somebody gets nosy and calls. This goes for any location. They can only be reactive to complaints. They can't devote hours and hours staking out places on fishing expeditions for the chance at catching a couple of guys. It serves no purpose, regardless of what the government mandates or wants. They will continue to go after the more public targets like street traffic. parlors, micros, whatever (low-hanging fruit) and will only maybe set up the odd fake ad and stings. But even stings are iffy in that if we, as a client do not mention money for sex, they have no case. If you are dumb enough to fall for the ad and enter the room and it is an undercover posing as a SP, wait for her to make the first move. If she doesn't say or do anything, be prepared to walk out.

 

[peacectryguy]

PS. I'm with Badger, I'm getting sick and tired of the utter stupidity and paranoia that this thing has generated. As fucked up as our current government may be in this issue, they are still not Hitler's Germany and the Gestapo isn't knocking down our doors any time soon. One thing I would like to add, many guys are talking about the "fear" of getting caught and going to jail. Nobody will ever see prison time for seeing an SP unless she is underage or being trafficked (and that was always illegal under the old laws and didn't change with the Bedford decision), so stop with that rhetoric. Sweden has had this law in place for 15 years and nobody has seen the inside of a jail, think about it.
One thing the government has accomplished here is bringing all this fear into the equation and I believe, that is exactly what they want. The sheep are following along buying into all of the propaganda.

 

[summerbreeze]

I would suggest that while the actual punishment might not be fully enforced it doesn't mean it won't go on your record.

Criminal offense effects what boarders you can cross, US citizens guilty of an offense might be banned from coming into Canada. Canadians with a criminal offense can be put on a watch list which prevents them for entering the US.

The larger concern is having a criminal offense on your record and its effect on your lifestyle and business career. Whether you agree with the legitimacy or not, this is part of our legal system.

Probably not worth the risk to have the stigma.

If you already have a record well by all means indulge. However, from this perspective it would be stupid. Its like a drunk driving offense, while almost everyone is guilty of this from time to time, especially in the old days prior to the enforcement we now have. The response regarding being charged is one of stupidity, why take the risk, just park your car and take a cab. It is a mark against your character and your judgement. Its like a badge of stupidity, who in their right mind takes the chance when it is so easy (might cost a bit of money) to comply.

Of course speculation at this point but I suspect many individuals will not want to take the risk of being charged with a criminal offense.

 

[Fullhouse]

Well, BadgerJohn, I'm also very paranoid and scared shitless that LE is going to catch me fu*king some lady for money after Dec. 6, and then my face will be plastered all over the front page, right next to our master pooner, take8easy.

So, I have decided to capitulate and turn myself in to LE., admit all my past pooning sins to them, and all the paid sexual activities I have enjoyed in the past.

I will try to convince them that I have a lot of knowledge about this soon to become illegal 'money for sex' exchange, and that my experience in this industry from a buyers standpoint would be very valuable to them if they hired me as an informer.

I will be happy to be a true undercover guy, sniffing out the pooners that are still sticking their noses up in the air at the new laws, while sticking their dinks up some SP's pussy for money....... I'll hide in the closet of the 'action' bedroom of a cooperating SP, after she has already given me the phone # of the arriving client.

I will record the conversation and take videos of money exchanging hands and the action that goes on under cover, through a little peep hole, all of which I will turn over to the cops.........

Of course payment for my valuable service to LE would be a free session with the ladies involved, with a promise from LE that they will be allowed to continue their business as usual, without any interference from them.

The 'john' will never know that he's been recorded, until a couple of weeks after they traced his phone number, and the cops visit his house and ask to meet with him and his wife.

Well, just imagine the shock to the wife when she hears and looks at the video of her husband fu*king some gorgeous 20 year old chick. She'll probably cut him off for a week or so, or maybe just 'cut it' off.

Well guys, you may get really pissed off at me turning stool pigeon ----- but hell --- I love this pooning with a lot of the alluring ladies offering their service. And with these new laws coming in, what better way to guarantee that I will never get arrested for offering money for sex ------ actually, if it works out as planned, there'll be no money exchanging hands, the ladies will do me for free.

I would call that a win, win......................I won't ever get arrested, and it will be free.

So guys, enjoy your pooning, and if after Dec. 6th. you hear a bit of a strange noise coming out of her bedroom closet, maybe you should just pack up your things and leave.

 

[Fullhouse]

Why don't you just convince them that you need to be fullhouse super sex cop.

Since you know where all the incalls are and hotels are already you could wait in the stairwell and jump them as the girl hid behind the door.

Maybe if you lucky you'll get invited to Ottawa for a Conservative party caucus circle BUKKAKE jerk after church services.. lol. LMAO.

Well BadgerJohn, I realize that you consider yourself as one of the top dogs on here with your over 5,250 posts, and I'm sure everybody just loves you for being such a nice guy. but that doesn't prevent me from posting what I like to post - regardless of whether you're going to like or not.

You may not have noticed, BJ, but in the last 2 or 3 weeks, this site has witnessed a lot of posts laced with doom and gloom, paranoia and fear about the new C-36 laws.
So I thought that I would try and bring a bit of humor with my fictitious post, but you obviously didn't appreciate the effort, as witnessed by your negative reply.---again.

So Badger, I wish I could say that I will keep my weird humor to myself so not to offend you again, --- but that's really not me --- I honestly don't give a damn of what you think about my posts.

You may be able to intimidate some of the people some of the time,------- but you don't intimidate me at all----------anytime.....LMAO

 

[westcoast555]

You have valid points Badger but you're thinking too large scale.

Of course they can't do thousands of operations on every sp location

They might just do 100 or 50 or 20

But what if one of those operations catches... you?

Of course not every mother will report the DOM going to see his 19yo whore on the 11th floor. But what if one of them does and it's... you?

("you" being any pooner)

They ARE incapable of catching everyone, i don't deny that. But all it takes is ONE... yourself

And even if you DONT spend a single day in jail or john school or a dollar in fines (although you might get one or some of those)...

...would you risk having a permanent black mark on your record? So when you need a new job or want to travel they do a background check and see "Investigated on 12/8 on suspicion of being PERV POONER"?

You guys need to chill the fuck out. Seriously. This whole C-36 Bill is window dressing to satisfy the Feminists and the Prudes. Vancouver started off as a logging town, there's always been prostitution here and there always will be. The cops don't give TWO SHITS about the bill and aren't interested in enforcing it. They are worried about drugs and gangs.. and... as before - nasty exploitation of minors or illegals being trafficked where there are complaints.

The are NOT interested in interfering with independent women plying their trade to peaceful horny middle aged men looking for blowjobs. Consensual sex between adults is not something they are worried about... the VPD is not run by J Edgar Hoover. The cops didn't push for this, they are not the ones driving this bullshit.

I for one, will continue enjoying myself as I see fit.

You guys have been watching too many episodes of "To catch a predator"

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

One thing the government has accomplished here is bringing all this fear into the equation and I believe, that is exactly what they want. The sheep are following along buying into all of the propaganda.

"But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship...voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."*

What is being attacked? Our nation's core beliefs, according to Harper's base. That's the whole argument. Family values. CHRISTIAN FAITH BASED family values. One man, one woman, death do they part...Procreation not recreation bullshit.


*Isn't that an interesting quote about propaganda? Makes ya think...

 

[Vancityads]

Of course a wesbite owner can make whatever rules they like, but when you pay for a service monthly and in advance and that service is suddenly changed, it seems fair to politely inquire about the reason behind the change, to try to determine if it is/isn't in fact a legal requirement and to see if others know about the change or have any thoughts on the matter.



I have never advertised or offered sex for money, the part I was confused about is no longer being allowed to link to reviews.

In your reviews are they taking about sex for money?