Man, we'd love to borrow you as a "client" to visit those ripoff Surrey/Langley SP's just so we can see you fold their loser "boyfriends" and handlers in half.I used to be a professional fighter, but I had to quit because the referees kept stepping on my hands ....................................while counting me out....
C36 Merged thread, everything goes here
- Thread starter Banger77
- Start date
I just thought of something the other day.... this is basically a sex crime isn't it? The way they made the law is that the assumption is that all sex workers are victims, right? So this is basically a form of sexual assault, no? I wonder if they'll try to put guys who are convicted under this bill into the sex offenders database? That means it automatically gets shared with the Americans too, if that's the case.
Better yet. Once you have incall info, delete info from your cell, then leave your phone behind in your car. No ?
The phrase " Freedom of life and liberty " is a nothing but make-believe. It's a fake statement imo. You are free to do whatever you'd like as long as it parallels the government or Fed's guidelines. In a nutshell.......freedom and liberty doesn't exist when it comes to a creation in crime or violence towards people. You can always try and use that strategy. I'm no lawyer, but that phrase can be debated among many, as well as many other sayings in life. There are always 2 sides to everything.
Just saying.
Well I'm a lawyer, so here is your short answer: no.
All of the rights guaranteed by the Charter are subject to limits, as long as the limits are reasonable and for a valid purpose. The crime of hate speech, for example, limits your freedom of expression but does so for a valid reason.
To succeed in a Charter challenge of this law, you'd have to persuade the court that it goes too far in trying to achieve its purpose, or that its purpose is not valid. That's going to be a pretty tough sell. The sex workers have a better shot at it: the same arguments that they used in Bedford arguably apply to this law. You can expect a challenge from them, but of course that will take some time.
In the meantime, poon smart.
alan young, who successfully represented bedford et al, says 5 to 6 years on a case in which charges were laid tomorrow, before a supreme court decision could reverse the law
so to use a phrase that john le carre made famous - until then, it's 'moscow rules' while pooning if you want to be sure to avoid criminal charges
so to use a phrase that john le carre made famous - until then, it's 'moscow rules' while pooning if you want to be sure to avoid criminal charges
what about "public interest standing"? as was acquired by PIVOT legal? could a challenge move forward in the "public interest" of citizen safety?
was just wondering....
love susie
There are two ways to "defeat" this law without it going to the SCC.
Firstly, kick out Harper and his cronies in the October 2015 election, with the hope that the new governing party will repeal, or properly amend, this law.
Secondly, by non-enforcement by disinterested LE or AGs who have better things to do with their limited resources (being time, effort and budget).
I doubt that the taxpayers of various cities and provinces are keen on allocating $$$ to fighting prostitution over addressing real crime in their communities.
Firstly, kick out Harper and his cronies in the October 2015 election, with the hope that the new governing party will repeal, or properly amend, this law.
Secondly, by non-enforcement by disinterested LE or AGs who have better things to do with their limited resources (being time, effort and budget).
I doubt that the taxpayers of various cities and provinces are keen on allocating $$$ to fighting prostitution over addressing real crime in their communities.
Totally agree Sonny. I previously stated here, that come election time, a headline flashing header on ALL Canadian review boards should be posted as a election reminder what DEC 6th 2014 brought in.
Vote who you wish, as I will but.....the headliner would merely represent a reminder for those frustrated with this.
Where is our freedom of speech ..
Yes our freedom of speech ..Our freedom of chose to associate with who we want to
Our freedom of thought. And our freedom to give our money to who ever we want for legal services
This is about our constitutional right and freedoms being eroded away ..and no one gives a fuck
Why should we be made afraid to speak our mind on sex. On the girl that we see and enjoy... why can't people advertise legal services or offer a place for others to advertise legal services.. ?
Because the goverment have passed unconstitutional laws contrary to a SP ruling .. and no one will stand up against them .. With any attempt to over turn this attack on the right of all ..because it only about perverts and margilized women that are supposedly coursed ...abusser and trafficted in to working by perverts and pimps.
None of us are force g any one to do sex work.. but we can no longer talk about it on this site or any because we may incriminat our selves by addmiting we pay a person for sex.. A service they are legally allowed to sell... How can such a fucked up law every be ruled on let alone be allowed to be passed by supposedly intelligent member of Parliament that we voted in.
Did we realize how fucken ignorant and stupid these people real were...
And does any of our fellow Canadian realize how ambiguous the wording in this law is ..that for tye mist part it can not be in forced in a fair and constitutional manner
But instead we live in fear.. unfairly having our freedoms curtailed. . Because now something that we could do and talk a out for over 300 yrs is suddenly a crime in canada ..
If your not angry about it ..Then maybe we don't deserve a democratic society. Where do you think it will lead if this is allowed to stand .. All sex being regulated.. All beliefs needing to be sanctioned be laws..
I shake my fist in contempt .
Yes our freedom of speech ..Our freedom of chose to associate with who we want to
Our freedom of thought. And our freedom to give our money to who ever we want for legal services
This is about our constitutional right and freedoms being eroded away ..and no one gives a fuck
Why should we be made afraid to speak our mind on sex. On the girl that we see and enjoy... why can't people advertise legal services or offer a place for others to advertise legal services.. ?
Because the goverment have passed unconstitutional laws contrary to a SP ruling .. and no one will stand up against them .. With any attempt to over turn this attack on the right of all ..because it only about perverts and margilized women that are supposedly coursed ...abusser and trafficted in to working by perverts and pimps.
None of us are force g any one to do sex work.. but we can no longer talk about it on this site or any because we may incriminat our selves by addmiting we pay a person for sex.. A service they are legally allowed to sell... How can such a fucked up law every be ruled on let alone be allowed to be passed by supposedly intelligent member of Parliament that we voted in.
Did we realize how fucken ignorant and stupid these people real were...
And does any of our fellow Canadian realize how ambiguous the wording in this law is ..that for tye mist part it can not be in forced in a fair and constitutional manner
But instead we live in fear.. unfairly having our freedoms curtailed. . Because now something that we could do and talk a out for over 300 yrs is suddenly a crime in canada ..
If your not angry about it ..Then maybe we don't deserve a democratic society. Where do you think it will lead if this is allowed to stand .. All sex being regulated.. All beliefs needing to be sanctioned be laws..
I shake my fist in contempt .
Illegal to buy but legal to sell. Only to "protect" the SP from being charged, with the appearance that they are not being targeted.
Of course, not being able to make a living with what is supposedly legal to sell is hardly protection at all.
The extermination of prostitution is the acknowledged goal, without any real consideration for the SPs at all.
For the religious conservative.....
sex is dirty, good full menu sex is filthy, and paid sex bestows an unacceptable value on pleasurable sex.
Poor tortured souls, who seek to export their misery everywhere in a quest to drown out any joy in this world.
they do not, unless you turn them private - they are a normal phone with normal functions
This is consistent with what I was told by a prominent Winnipeg Judge a few weeks ago at a benefit function. We were sharing a scotch when I asked his opinion. He told me that he sees a few areas in the new legislation that he would certainly doubt would survive as challenge before the Supreme Court.
The problem is, to get there, requires the laying of a charge, the person fighting it, several appeals all of which would take many years and a lot of money. He said the Bedford decision actually got done relatively quickly by legal standards because the government was overconfident they would win and let it go without a lot of delay. This time he's certain the government lawyers would use every legal devise at their disposal to drag any appeals, etc. along (heck its not their money) and make sure it took years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight it all the way to the Supreme Court.
I think we're stuck with this new law for several years to come. I don't see a government of a different political stripe changing it. Sure they can stand in front of a bunch of cameras right now saying they would but they wouldn't. That's the beauty of opposition. You can say whatever you want and never have to stand by it.
We all just have to play safe. Visit only ladies you know are not LE and you'll be fine.
Cheers
