Buying gold

sonoman

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Do you have a problem reading?
No, but I believe you do.

You posted:
Originally Posted by alinburnaby


The reality is that the governments that are printing the money do not have the available Gold to back even a portion of the currency they have out there.

To which I responded:

Wrong again. Currency is not 'backed' by gold as it once was. Today, central banks hold stocks of foreign exchange and bonds to maintain the value of their currencies; gold reserves aren't required.
You insinuated that currency need be backed by an equivalent amount of gold. That's no longer the case. I simply corrected your misperception and innacurate post. If you already understood this, why write: 'These governments will not be returning to a Gold standard.'? Your statement is redundant given that we are no longer on any type of gold standard, and haven't been for decades.


Your post doesn't read like that of someone well-informed; if you are, you failed to make a coherent argument.
 

Krustee

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To buy gold now is buying into a bubble with very little upside.The price of gold peaked in the early 1980`s as another member posted,this was during the recession of that time and interests rates then were through the roof.People in Alberta back then were literally selling their houses for $1 just to get out of the mortgage.The time to buy gold was from January 2001-January 2004 when it was relatively low.Gold is a hedge against inflation and has been just that since Richard Nixon took the U.S.A OFF the gold standard.The world economy since this recession hit hard has taken a beating especially in the stock markets and in particular the U.S housing sector....the amount of mortage defaults is astounding...and all because poeple bought houses they could not afford and then took out equity on them and thusly going further into debt they could not afford.In the last year the TSX is up 58% and it is similar for the DOW,this was pretty much an expectation by anyone familliar with the markets.....after a massive correction there is a slow recovery that gains momentum as the confidence in the stock markets builds.
Good points here SR, however, if you follow the charts the price of Gold did surge just recently in the last 1.5 years & for those wise enough to see this coming they have made at least 54% on their investment.

See my post here on that matter:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=859214#post859214

I was promoting people to buy gold back in October of 2008:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=797676#post797676

The biggest consideration for gold is that the only way you make money on it is if it goes up in value.....it pays no dividend nor interest like a stock or a GIC does and if you time the market wrong the time to could expect to hold your investment is in the 30 year range.....for example if you had purchased say 50 ounces of gold in 1982 when it was on a decline from it`s peak thinking it would rebound....you would have been waiting just shy of 30 years to have made a small profit.If you had invested that same amount of money into Microsoft and held that stock till now(even riding out when the tech bubble burst)....hell you would be a BILLIONAIRE.

In short....to buy gold right now at it`s peak when the markets are coming back strong and interest rates are going to rise is pretty much pissing your money down the toilet...IMHO.

SR
This has been addressed before too in the thread that I posted the following:
As alinburnaby says you are looking at it all wrong FSD, the reason he & I are promoting Gold is not because of what a great investment it is but because it & other precious metals are a stable commodity in these unstable times.

If you`re looking for good investments then you will need to wait for this market to bottom out & nobody`s sure when that will be.

Until then you need to divest yourselves of any holdings that could see large fluctuations in their value, such as equity stock & cash.

With the market in a free-fall the way it is now you do not want to be holding large sums of anything volatile.

Hence the reason for suggesting that you buy & hold Gold & other precious metals that have traditionally held their value in times of market instability.

When the market stabilizes in a few years then would be the time to convert your gold holdings to something with a chance of earning some better equity.

:cool:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-ya-so-but....&p=863902&viewfull=1#post863902

Green is the new Gold. :)
I agree with that BDS, just look at where we are headed with cars for example.
We are seeing more & more Hybrids & several fully electric cars are in the waiting above & beyond the crappy Chevy volt & sprightly Telsa roadster.

Dont even get me started on the farcical BS of global warming......it is the biggest steaming crock of flatulence ever to be hyped by the media and force fed to the masses since the invention of yellow journalism.......google search "climategate" and wake up from the matrix

SR
Hey SR, it`s no leap of faith that we can have global warming & cooling.
There`s lots of history & data to back that the earth`s temperatures cycle.
What I have an issue with is the BS pumped out that humans are responsible for it.

These governments will not be returning to a Gold standard.

Gold, in coin form, is only an emergency currency to tide people over in the event that these governments are unable to convince other governments that it`s best to play along.

Therefore, the current valuation of Gold can`t be justified. Gold Certificates, Equity Shares in Gold Producers and the like are only pieces of paper that will be worth what an Enron or Bre-X share is worth if there is a collapse of confidence in the western governments.

Whatever currency emerges after that event will not be based on Gold.
I agree with you here Al.

If you are buying gold to preserve your wealth for years or decades from now, buy the actual metal and don`t settle for anything less. You pay a bigger premium for the actual metal when buying or selling because the company you bought it from actually has to come up with the gold. It`s not just a piece of paper that they hope you won`t cash in on one day. In one of my previous posts I mentioned an article that said there is 400 times the amount of paper gold in this world vs. actual metal, based on the amount traded on the COMEX every day. That should tell you how scare real gold is vs. paper gold. That being said, paper gold definitely has a place as a trading vehicle to buy and sell out of as the opportunity presents itself. But if you are wanting paper gold or silver, I say just buy the gold and silver ETFs (GLD and SLV respectively) that are traded on the New York Stock Exchange every day and dispense with the certificates altogether. No fuss, not even any paper to worry about, it`s all digital and the transaction fees are very small vs. the spot price of the metal.

Because gold is the ultimate preserver of wealth, it`s not necessarily the best investment if you want to actually make money vs just maintaining what you have. If you want to speculate in precious metals, you should look into the stocks of precious metal mining companies. If you start doing your research you will come up with some good ones, or you can simply buy the gold miners ETF on the stock exchanges. The ticker symbol is XGD on the TSX and GDX on the NYSE.

My own personal favourite precious metal stock is Silvercorp (SVM to the TSX). They are a Canadian company but own the largest silver mine in China, so their labour costs are very low compared to mines in other countries; the CEO said they can start up a mine in China in two years vs. seven in North America; their cash cost of mining silver is actually negative because they have bimetallic credits (meaning they pull out a bunch of other metal when mining for silver that they can sell as "bonus money" to offset the cost of mining silver); and I am extremely bullish on silver itself vs. gold. While I have been a believer in the upside of silver for a while I read this article on silver recently and was in awe at how well the writer presented his case on an upcoming silver shortage. Have a look if you are interested: http://www.thestreet.com/story/10691881/1/silver-supply-crisis-looms-part-1.html

As for buying gold and silver, my favourite choice is to purchase government-minted gold and silver coins like the Canadian Maple Leaf or U.S. Silver Eagle:

They are internationally recognized and so should be easy to trade, and you have a reasonable certainty that they have not been counterfeited or tampered with, and that the actual amount of metal promised is in the coin. The premiums are a bit higher, but to me the liquidity is worth the extra money.

As for where to buy it, if you are buying small quantities like $200 or less, the easiest way is to go to a coin dealer you can trust. If you are buying larger quantities, I recommend going to ScotiaMocatta, which is the precious metals branch of Scotiabank and the largest precious metals bank in the world. The downside to buying it at Scotiabank is that it is a bit of hassle -- whenever I buy I need to present two pieces of government identification and the transaction take about half an hour. On the plus side the premiums are relatively low, and if you keep your purchase receipt they guarantee you will be able to get the spot price of the metal back when you sell.

Hope that helps :)

P.S. A few common arguments against gold:
1) It`s just a piece of shiny metal. To which I say: what is a dollar? It`s just a piece of paper. At least gold took some work and effort to mine, rather than a bank just printing out more of it. It comes down to trust and do you trust the government to not debase your currency?
2) It doesn`t earn interest. No it doesn`t, but it doesn`t have to because it has intrinsic value. Real estate doesn`t earn interest either, but people don`t seem to question it as an investment.
3) You can`t eat gold, so it will have no worth in bad times. Let`s say I had a whole truckload of hamburgers in my house. They would only hold value for about two days, after which they will have gone bad and lost their value. Plus some people will not eat beef or meat. The whole reason for money coming into existence was as a common form of exchange so people wouldn`t have to barter using things they didn`t want or that would go bad or were a bugger to carry around. Maybe everyone can use some chickens in bad times, but try carrying those around from place to place.

Aristotle defined what makes a good money and came up with the following characteristics: (1) it must be durable, (2) it must be portable, (3) it must be divisible and consistent -- if you cut a piece of gold in half each half is worth half of the whole, which sets it apart from say, diamonds, and (4) it must have intrinsic value. The only metals that really satisfy this is gold and silver.
Good post threepeat!

Threepeat, great post. One thing I would suggest however is buying older coins. I have been able to acquire older coins for very close to the metal value and they have the advantage of not being tracked by your favorite busy body, the gov.
That is good to know as well Jim!!

:)
 

Big Dog Striker

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The German company GOLD TO GO finally came out with an ATM dispensing real gold. First one recently came out in Abu Dhabi. Its been a very successful venture. Next one is coming out in Milan. In a few years, people can get physical gold as fast as getting a chocolate bar at a vending machine. The only problem is the said Gold ATM doesn't take deposits. :) :)
 
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