Buying gold

miss maya blue

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recent conversations about the economy and the value of the dollar diminishing have me wondering, is it time to take my savings and invest in gold?

i know there are those of you that prefer not to think about the possibility of a economic collapse (particularly, those in the US) but the more research I do about inflation, the more I am convinced we are in for something BIG in the next decade or two.

id love to hear your opinions. im also curious to know what is the best source to buy from?
 

island-guy

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Best bet is usually to go with gold certificates from the treasury/mint or whatever if you are looking for big $ worth.

Or, alternately you could go for gold options, if you are sure it is going to go up.

generally you want to stay away from actual metal as the inspection/assesment fees are quite high when you buy/sell. Not so with the certificates.
 

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Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Some gold in any investment plan is generally wise, but not at the expense of a rounded portfolio.

Spread your risk.... get some gold, some equity in the stocks or mutual funds, some bonds, some cash-equivalents. Going "all in" with just gold (or just stock, or just bonds, etc) is quick way to make, or lose alot of money when the market changes direction.
 

LadyKiller

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With that all said....bad things always happen. When bad things happen, the price of gold and other strong commodities go up. Buying stocks, bonds, et cetera is like gambling. Everyone has great advice and you are sure to win in the long run; however, when the market tumbles and you lose your $20~$30k, what are you going to do then? I would suggest reading Nassim Taleb's "The Black Swan" before you make any decisions.
 

johnperb

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About 2 years ago I would have said yes but not now. Do some research into new energy technologies and health care.

EDIT: For a beginner I recommend either sticking to LOCAL or big corporations.
 

rampart

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Gold & Silver are still undervalued as I mentioned in a previous thread on this subject. 30 years ago Gold had peaked at $845US an ounce with Silver peaking around $45 an ounce. If you were still holding on to Gold & Silver from those days you would have lost big time due to inflation especially with Silver. Always buy coins or bullion and avoid anything that comes in paper form. Silver is usually a better buy because of its cheap rates and you can have a lot more for less money. $2500.00 will get you two ounces of Gold but will get you 120 ounces of silver. Hard to change in ounce of gold for some groceries but two or three ounces of silver will keep you going for a week or two.
If buying silver opt for the 10oz bars and lots of trash silver coins ie coins with no numismatic value.
 

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recent conversations about the economy and the value of the dollar diminishing have me wondering, is it time to take my savings and invest in gold?

i know there are those of you that prefer not to think about the possibility of a economic collapse (particularly, those in the US) but the more research I do about inflation, the more I am convinced we are in for something BIG in the next decade or two.

id love to hear your opinions. im also curious to know what is the best source to buy from?
Who needs gold Miss Maya? I'd rather get into your assets anyday!!!;);)
 

sonoman

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The only appropriate use for Gold is as a safety net if there is a failure of Currency. Coins are legal tender and therefore can be used if there is a failure of Currency.
We live in Canada, not South America; there won't be any currency collapse here, nor do we have to worry about inflation. Gold is a sound long-term investment, period. With small exceptions, gold has appreciated steadily since the 1970s, and there's no reason to think it won't continue to do so.
 

bcneil

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You need to determine your end goal, before you can decide the best way to invest in gold.
Are you expecting a world of total economic crash, where stacks of cash wont buy you dinner.
Where we will all be living outside hunting for our food, just trying to survive.
The buy real gold.

If you think there is a good chance gold will go up in value in the next couple years.
But the world will basically remain the same, with money still being used.
Then you should really be in a basket of gold stocks.
If gold goes from $1100-$2200, gold stocks will do more than doubling, and outperform gold itself.
Or gold certificates over the gold itself, just for the expenses involved buying and selling coins or bars.
 

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To buy gold now is buying into a bubble with very little upside.The price of gold peaked in the early 1980's as another member posted,this was during the recession of that time and interests rates then were through the roof.People in Alberta back then were literally selling their houses for $1 just to get out of the mortgage.The time to buy gold was from January 2001-January 2004 when it was relatively low.Gold is a hedge against inflation and has been just that since Richard Nixon took the U.S.A OFF the gold standard.The world economy since this recession hit hard has taken a beating especially in the stock markets and in particular the U.S housing sector....the amount of mortage defaults is astounding...and all because poeple bought houses they could not afford and then took out equity on them and thusly going further into debt they could not afford.In the last year the TSX is up 58% and it is similar for the DOW,this was pretty much an expectation by anyone familliar with the markets.....after a massive correction there is a slow recovery that gains momentum as the confidence in the stock markets builds.

The biggest consideration for gold is that the only way you make money on it is if it goes up in value.....it pays no dividend nor interest like a stock or a GIC does and if you time the market wrong the time to could expect to hold your investment is in the 30 year range.....for example if you had purchased say 50 ounces of gold in 1982 when it was on a decline from it's peak thinking it would rebound....you would have been waiting just shy of 30 years to have made a small profit.If you had invested that same amount of money into Microsoft and held that stock till now(even riding out when the tech bubble burst)....hell you would be a BILLIONAIRE.

In short....to buy gold right now at it's peak when the markets are coming back strong and interest rates are going to rise is pretty much pissing your money down the toilet...IMHO.

SR
 

storm rider

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Green is the new Gold. :)
Dont even get me started on the farcical BS of global warming......it is the biggest steaming crock of flatulence ever to be hyped by the media and force fed to the masses since the invention of yellow journalism.......google search "climategate" and wake up from the matrix

SR
 

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The only appropriate use for Gold is as a safety net if there is a failure of Currency. Since Gold Certificates are only paper like Currency, it defeats the purpose to buy Gold Certificates. If a person is buying Gold, the best form is coinage. Coins are legal tender and therefore can be used if there is a failure of Currency. Gold bars would have to be assayed and would normally far exceed the value of a prospective purchase.

The purchase of Gold was recently discussed, the threads should be easy enough to find.
Precious metals is also good as a storage of wealth, to protect yourself in case of a currency collapse like what Alinburnaby said.
Gold will always be gold, silver will always be silver, but that $100 bill could easily be toilet paper tomorrow, lol.
 

sonoman

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Precious metals is also good as a storage of wealth, to protect yourself in case of a currency collapse.
that $100 bill could easily be toilet paper tomorrow.
Not in this country. This isn't Latin America; we don't have triple or even double-digit inflation and haven't since the 1970s. Monetary policy is a lot more proactive today; exchange rates float and are no longer linked to gold with the US dollar as the reserve currency - this was not the case prior to the oil crisis in the early 70s. A currency collapse results when a central bank can no longer support the (fixed) value of its currency; as said, this isn't the case in Canada.

That said, we should always expect annual inflation, but a simple rise in price level is far different from a complete currency collapse and loss of purchasing power.
 

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Some say Carbon Credits is the biggest scam of the century or an imaginary commodity. Some say Al Gore will make billions out of it. Some say its the newest exotic creation and game by investment bankers after sub-prime. Love it or hate it, its presently a US$ 70 Billion market with its own exchange in Chicago. Plus, its bound to hit almost US$ 2 Trillion by 2020. With every major financial institution from JP Morgan to UBS having their own climate fund. Even the United States needs a buy 2 Billion carbon credits as of present to cover their offsets. Perfect storyline for Gordon Gekko's Wall Street 3 after the sequel " Money Never Sleeps " comes out in May. :)
 

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Gold has been recognized as an asset, currency and something nice and shiny for thousands of years....the only carbon that has a value, and dubious at that, is when carbon takes the form of diamonds. We are been taken for suckers with this carbon credit nonsense, while China continues to burn coal at a record rate, to fuel the crap that we buy in Walmart.
 

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Right now, the entire western civilization's financial system is a scam that heavily relies on governments trusting other governments to not callously throw the apple cart over.

That's why all of the governments collaborated in agreeing to print even more money as a solution to the financial crisis of 2008 - 2009.

The reality is that the governments that are printing the money do not have the available Gold to back even a portion of the currency they have out there. Nor do they have value in any other asset they could use.

These governments will not be returning to a Gold standard.

Gold, in coin form, is only an emergency currency to tide people over in the event that these governments are unable to convince other governments that it's best to play along.

Therefore, the current valuation of Gold can't be justified. Gold Certificates, Equity Shares in Gold Producers and the like are only pieces of paper that will be worth what an Enron or Bre-X share is worth if there is a collapse of confidence in the western governments.

Whatever currency emerges after that event will not be based on Gold.
And if our society gets to that point I will be stocking up on non perishabble food/shotgun shells and flash light batteries.

SR
 

sonoman

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That's why all of the governments collaborated in agreeing to print even more money as a solution to the financial crisis of 2008 - 2009.
They did that to keep interest rates low to help stimulate demand.

The reality is that the governments that are printing the money do not have the available Gold to back even a portion of the currency they have out there.

Wrong again. Currency is not 'backed' by gold as it once was. The US gov't declared its dollar inconvertible to gold in the early 70s; since that time, exchange rates of the industrialized nations have been allowed to float. Only when an exchange rate is fixed does it require a sufficent amount of a reserve asset (held by a country's central bank) to maintain the value of that currency. In the past, that asset was gold. Today, central banks hold stocks of foreign exchange and bonds to maintain the value of their currencies; gold reserves aren't required.

(Please, no rebuttal. This is fact, not my 'opinion'. :rolleyes:)
 

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recent conversations about the economy and the value of the dollar diminishing have me wondering, is it time to take my savings and invest in gold?

i know there are those of you that prefer not to think about the possibility of a economic collapse (particularly, those in the US) but the more research I do about inflation, the more I am convinced we are in for something BIG in the next decade or two.

id love to hear your opinions. im also curious to know what is the best source to buy from?
Hi Maya, everyone has their own views on the subject, so here is mine.

Gold and silver are the ultimate preserver of wealth -- they hold the same buying power now as they did hundreds or even thousands of years ago. A popular rule of thumb in the gold community is that an ounce of gold has always been able to buy a nice man's suit. So while precious metals can be volatile over the short term, over the long term they are actually very stable.

If you are buying gold to preserve your wealth for years or decades from now, buy the actual metal and don't settle for anything less. You pay a bigger premium for the actual metal when buying or selling because the company you bought it from actually has to come up with the gold. It's not just a piece of paper that they hope you won't cash in on one day. In one of my previous posts I mentioned an article that said there is 400 times the amount of paper gold in this world vs. actual metal, based on the amount traded on the COMEX every day. That should tell you how scare real gold is vs. paper gold. That being said, paper gold definitely has a place as a trading vehicle to buy and sell out of as the opportunity presents itself. But if you are wanting paper gold or silver, I say just buy the gold and silver ETFs (GLD and SLV respectively) that are traded on the New York Stock Exchange every day and dispense with the certificates altogether. No fuss, not even any paper to worry about, it's all digital and the transaction fees are very small vs. the spot price of the metal.

Because gold is the ultimate preserver of wealth, it's not necessarily the best investment if you want to actually make money vs just maintaining what you have. If you want to speculate in precious metals, you should look into the stocks of precious metal mining companies. If you start doing your research you will come up with some good ones, or you can simply buy the gold miners ETF on the stock exchanges. The ticker symbol is XGD on the TSX and GDX on the NYSE.

My own personal favourite precious metal stock is Silvercorp (SVM to the TSX). They are a Canadian company but own the largest silver mine in China, so their labour costs are very low compared to mines in other countries; the CEO said they can start up a mine in China in two years vs. seven in North America; their cash cost of mining silver is actually negative because they have bimetallic credits (meaning they pull out a bunch of other metal when mining for silver that they can sell as "bonus money" to offset the cost of mining silver); and I am extremely bullish on silver itself vs. gold. While I have been a believer in the upside of silver for a while I read this article on silver recently and was in awe at how well the writer presented his case on an upcoming silver shortage. Have a look if you are interested: http://www.thestreet.com/story/10691881/1/silver-supply-crisis-looms-part-1.html

As for buying gold and silver, my favourite choice is to purchase government-minted gold and silver coins like the Canadian Maple Leaf or U.S. Silver Eagle:

They are internationally recognized and so should be easy to trade, and you have a reasonable certainty that they have not been counterfeited or tampered with, and that the actual amount of metal promised is in the coin. The premiums are a bit higher, but to me the liquidity is worth the extra money.

As for where to buy it, if you are buying small quantities like $200 or less, the easiest way is to go to a coin dealer you can trust. If you are buying larger quantities, I recommend going to ScotiaMocatta, which is the precious metals branch of Scotiabank and the largest precious metals bank in the world. The downside to buying it at Scotiabank is that it is a bit of hassle -- whenever I buy I need to present two pieces of government identification and the transaction take about half an hour. On the plus side the premiums are relatively low, and if you keep your purchase receipt they guarantee you will be able to get the spot price of the metal back when you sell.

Hope that helps :)

P.S. A few common arguments against gold:
1) It's just a piece of shiny metal. To which I say: what is a dollar? It's just a piece of paper. At least gold took some work and effort to mine, rather than a bank just printing out more of it. It comes down to trust and do you trust the government to not debase your currency?
2) It doesn't earn interest. No it doesn't, but it doesn't have to because it has intrinsic value. Real estate doesn't earn interest either, but people don't seem to question it as an investment.
3) You can't eat gold, so it will have no worth in bad times. Let's say I had a whole truckload of hamburgers in my house. They would only hold value for about two days, after which they will have gone bad and lost their value. Plus some people will not eat beef or meat. The whole reason for money coming into existence was as a common form of exchange so people wouldn't have to barter using things they didn't want or that would go bad or were a bugger to carry around. Maybe everyone can use some chickens in bad times, but try carrying those around from place to place.

Aristotle defined what makes a good money and came up with the following characteristics: (1) it must be durable, (2) it must be portable, (3) it must be divisible and consistent -- if you cut a piece of gold in half each half is worth half of the whole, which sets it apart from say, diamonds, and (4) it must have intrinsic value. The only metals that really satisfy this is gold and silver.
 
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