Burner phone precautions

GeeBeeP

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I have an old iphone 5 and I'm planning to get 7-11 Speakout sim card to turn it into a burner phone for hobby use. I've looked through the PERB forums on burners and the 7-11 option looks perfect, but does anyone have some tips or precautions for "depersonalising" the old phone? Going to the trouble of cash etc... won' t be much good if I miss something on the old phone.

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If you originally bought the phone, then the IMEI code will be traceable to you. More likely stringent registration for iphone purchases.

If it’s a second hand phone, then the IMEI code will probably be registered to the original purchaser. See article link below, and check your phone.

https://www.fonecope.com/imei-tracker.html

It is probably more stealthy to buy a phone from a random stranger (Craigslist) or Cell phone repair shop or Pawnshop, pay in cash, and don’t use your real cell number. You can usually drop in the speakout sim to ensure the phone is unlocked and will work as a burner phone.

Burn baby Burn ?
 

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For iPhone, you can do factory reset to make it as if it's brand new phone. The steps will vary depending on what computer you have (win/mac) and what OS are you running on the computer. You can find instructions on Apple website, or google the info.

Of course what happens behind the scene is not guaranteed that factory reset will erase every bit of info, but I feel it's good enough.
 

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I’ve been wondering about the security of all this too.

I’m wondering about risks. Are the biggest concerns about law enforcement or family etc? Like what do we feel is worse case scenario? The numbers get published or used against you? Are there real world examples of people getting caught using their number? (I don’t mean someone reading something on your phone but more about number trace.)

I’ve been using a text app and now I feel more concerned.
 
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Thanks for the info and the link. I'm the original owner of the phone, so the IMEI issue will be a concern. Speakout have cheap phones as well, and I understand that no ID is required, so that might be a good alternative to the craigslist or pawnshop.

My main concerns are a) family stumbling onto something on my phone despite my being paranoid and careful, and b) the risk of numbers getting hacked and traced back to me. I'm not doing anything shady (well, other than the whole SP thing of course) and I only see reputable well reviewed indy's or agency girls. I'm not touching the LL world or anything sketchy. Honestly LE aren't a massive concern as I think they are focusing on trafficking and the assholes in that world rather than reputable consensual sex work. However an agency could loose their records to a hack or pissed off employee and even a responsible SP could run into trouble. Many of the ladies I've seen, and would like to see, ignore text apps, and I understand why they do it. So the burner it is.

Yes, I'd like to know if the real world is as risky as my imagination is too.
 
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For normal situations, factory reset the phone should suffice. With the iphones, ensure you turn off find my iphone feature (or I think you log out of your icloud account); that way after the reset, you don't have to log into your apple account.

By not logging into apple/itunes/icloud account, it should keep it as de personalized as much as possible (also dont use imessage).

Also keep in mind with so much number spoofing spam calls going around, its bit of a mess for phone number anyways.
 

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I don’t get the concern about IMEI tracing and LE worries. If you aren’t robbing anyone, going for underage SP’s or extorting them its not a problem. They are totally not interested in you or anyone else and have come out and said that in communications from VPD. RCMP have also taken a hands off approach. If you aren't doing something to endanger another they don’t care and they have lots of other things to worry about like gang and drug killings.

Family, well thats another matter. If you have a second phone you have to keep it well hidden because having a second phone even if wiped raises suspicion. Why do you need an extra blank phone. I guess keep it off and hidden somewhere no one can find. Finding that phone would be as guilty looking as anything else. I guess its about how suspicious your family is and if they have access to your regular phone. I use mine for my job so lots of messages are just normal for me and no one has access or pays attention. Maybe I have it easy.

Also if you use SP’s with good reputations that don’t cold call and you can always block their number until you need to reach out again.
 

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For a FYI we never do cold calls unless you request to be notificed when a particular girl is available.
 

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For a FYI we never do cold calls unless you request to be notificed when a particular girl is available.
Thank you for that.
The past several months I have had quite a few txts from prior SP visits, even one of's. Damn unsettling getting a text that says, Hi Hun, I'm back working and would love to see you again, or worse, a menu ...
 

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My current Speakout phone can no longer update, because its main OS is no longer supported. Too old.

I also have an old-ass iPhone that someone gave me, which I got unlocked but never used in the end. I used an old Nokia for many years, but that was not a smart phone and just could not keep up when everything is now designed for 4G, 5G, LTE, and beyond
Basically, it's just too old to really work. Even if mechanically the phone is fine, the manufacturers just stop supporting the software, and the telecoms move on to levels of service that old phones can't support.

I am no expert on phones, that's for sure. But it seems to me that you might want to just get a cheap but new Speakout phone. Even if it is a dunce of a phone compared to most regular kinds, at least it would have to be operational in a 2021 environment.

Sure, the phone might cost $75-$100, but just compare that to how much you're about to spend each time you meet a lady, and you'll see it's not very much. (Or get one of those "refurbished" phones and just add a Speakout sim.)
 

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I don’t get the concern about IMEI tracing and LE worries. If you aren’t robbing anyone, going for underage SP’s or extorting them its not a problem. They are totally not interested in you or anyone else and have come out and said that in communications from VPD. RCMP have also taken a hands off approach. If you aren't doing something to endanger another they don’t care and they have lots of other things to worry about like gang and drug killings.

Family, well thats another matter. If you have a second phone you have to keep it well hidden because having a second phone even if wiped raises suspicion. Why do you need an extra blank phone. I guess keep it off and hidden somewhere no one can find. Finding that phone would be as guilty looking as anything else. I guess its about how suspicious your family is and if they have access to your regular phone. I use mine for my job so lots of messages are just normal for me and no one has access or pays attention. Maybe I have it easy.

Also if you use SP’s with good reputations that don’t cold call and you can always block their number until you need to reach out again.
Using my old iPhone is attractive because it wouldn't be noticed around the house. I've had it for years and use it to listen to music now and again so it would essentially be hiding in plain sight password protected just in case someone else picks it up. So it's not the cost of a new phone that concerns me it's having to hide it.
 

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I found an old cell phone at a garage sale and been using it with a speakout sim card. I don't keep any history or contacts on it. Like others have said if you are just visiting a well established SP you should be good.

Other precautions,

Use TOR Browers if you are looking at SP ADs or Forums on here
Use an encrypted file for any SP Contacts
Clear your Browers history, I do this after general use of my PC.

Hope this helps,

Corym
 
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I have a 7-11's Speakout phone and I have been using it successfully for over 6 years now. The first one was terrible flip phone but now I have a smart phone but I have to admit that it still is a crappy phone but it does work well enough. I just use it for texting and very very occasionally for making a call (strictly only to my regular ladies), which I rarely do. It is a bit slow to wake up and react and that's it. The battery lasts for about half a day which is long enough for one session.

I did think about bringing my own phone in and use the sim card because I have my old iphone 5 and and an iphone 6 at home but I will never use them for pooning even with Speakout or any other sim card.

Usually when you buy the phone from 7-11 they will give you free minutes sometimes. In fact, once I bought $100 worth of minutes and not only I got $125 worth of credit, the cashier told me they are also giving a free phone with it. That's how I got the phone that I have right now.

I am not worried about LE as such but I just don't want to leave any tracks just in case. My big concern is my family finding out.
 
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A suggestion. If you have a iphone X or higher it is capable of duo sims. Most providers now offer e-SIM's. You can turn off your extra sim when not needed. I know for sure Rogers has eSIMs, not sure about the other big providers. Have your main number as he eSIM an then pooning (711 SIM) line as your physical SIM. Also comes in handy when travelling, you can put in a local SIM to save money. Works great in Philippines and saves having two phones.

Iphone duo SIM
 
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I don’t get the concern about IMEI tracing and LE worries. If you aren’t robbing anyone, going for underage SP’s or extorting them its not a problem. They are totally not interested in you or anyone else and have come out and said that in communications from VPD. RCMP have also taken a hands off approach. If you aren't doing something to endanger another they don’t care and they have lots of other things to worry about like gang and drug killings.

Family, well thats another matter. If you have a second phone you have to keep it well hidden because having a second phone even if wiped raises suspicion. Why do you need an extra blank phone. I guess keep it off and hidden somewhere no one can find. Finding that phone would be as guilty looking as anything else. I guess its about how suspicious your family is and if they have access to your regular phone. I use mine for my job so lots of messages are just normal for me and no one has access or pays attention. Maybe I have it easy.

Also if you use SP’s with good reputations that don’t cold call and you can always block their number until you need to reach out again.
Exactly!!!

I, too, use an old iPhone that was registered to me. I ditched the service provider's SIM card, did a factory reset on the phone and now use a 7-Eleven SIM. I paid for the new SIM in cash and only top-up with "pay as you go" vouchers which I pay for in cash. So, the number is pretty untraceable from a civilian's point of view. This concern around the IMEI and LE would only seem to apply if you were actually going to commit a crime and law enforcement got involved, no?!?!

One thing I will add - in the hopes someone has found a work-around here - is that SpeakOut doesn't seem to support photos. I found out the hard way when I tried to send a photo of an Amazon Gift Card to an SP and it wouldn't send...I did a test with my other iPhone and my "Jason Bourne" phone (ie. the old iPhone with the SpeakOut SIM) didn't receive photos either... I only do pay-as-you-go top-ups and didn't buy a data plan, but this "issue" still happens when I'm at home on Wifi... who would have thought in 2021 this would be a "thing", or am I missing something???

TIA
 
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Exactly!!!

I, too, use an old iPhone that was registered to me. I ditched the service provider's SIM card, reset the phone and now use a 7-Eleven SIM. I paid for the new SIM in cash and only top-up with "pay as you go" vouchers which I pay for in cash. So the number is pretty untraceable from a civilian's point of view. This concern around the IMEI and LE would only seem to apply if you were actually going to commit a crime and law enforcement got involved, no?!?!

One thing I will add - in the hopes someone has found a work-around here - is that SpeakOut doesn't seem to support photos. I found out the hard way when I tried to send a photo of an Amazon Gift Card to an SP and it wouldn't send...I did a test with my other iPhone and my "Jason Bourne" phone (ie. the old iPhone with the SpeakOut SIM) didn't receive photos either... I only do pay-as-you-go top-ups and didn't buy a data plan, but this "issue" still happens when I'm at home on Wifi... who would have thought in 2021 this would be a "thing", or am I missing something???

TIA
I am not expert in this field, but I remember I am only able to send photos via messaging when the cellular data is on. At least that is the case with my regular phone. If it doesn't work, try to send it via Whatsapp.
 
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One of the friends in our group of misfits used to own a company that provided security services to the digital space, including encrypted phones for lawyers, many who were/are criminal defence lawyers. This is his take:


1. You’re using the phone to bang woman on the side, not selling illegal nuclear weapons. Authorities give less than absolutely zero fucks about your extra curricular activities.

You’re probably are a well behaved individual so while you feel guilty and dangerous for breaking some cardinal rule of thou shall not cheat, you’re not getting Batman out of the bat cave on this one.

2. If you are currently under investigation, law enforcement couldobtained a warrant, if they have enough probable cause, to investigate and obtain your IMIE information.

From this point, they would have to spend the time tracking your text messages and phone conversations and use that to build a solid case against you.

For the courts to put this much effort into investigating you, you must have really fucked up some big time shit. I’m talking running some criminal enterprise, a multiple offender of fraud, running scams on the government, extortion, racketeering, significant drug trafficking, illegal immigration etc. The point is, you’re already in a heap of shit already if this is even a possibility.


3. You could be the target of extortion if you’re a celebrity, wealthy business owner, person of public or political interest, or pro athlete. If that’s the case, you’d probably pay top dollar and use a service like SKYECC in the first place. Maybe this is you?

4. Assuming your concern is keeping yourself out of divorce court, your attention is misdirected. The phone details discussed are not the issue.

Woman are natural investigators. Probably because guys have been putting their pee-pee in places they didn’t approve of since the dinosaurs and they’ve evolved to sniff this shit out.

The act of finding a second phone on its own can be the nail in the coffin. When questioned, that guilty-as-sin look will spell disaster. A second phone with messages or history will finish you. Deleting everything and having a phone with no numbers or history also looks suspicious.

People get caught when they put the address in the car GPS. Gas receipts at a time and location that didn’t match your narrative. Having a big mouth and it finding its way back to the nest. Browser history, having a spouse friend see you at a specific time or location that sparks suspicions


We live in a highly monitored world however the attention is often caused through things we don’t think about vs what we think we should think about. Do a factory reset on your phone, get a pay as you go SIM and happy fucking.
 

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Exactly!!!

I, too, use an old iPhone that was registered to me. I ditched the service provider's SIM card, reset the phone and now use a 7-Eleven SIM. I paid for the new SIM in cash and only top-up with "pay as you go" vouchers which I pay for in cash. So the number is pretty untraceable from a civilian's point of view. This concern around the IMEI and LE would only seem to apply if you were actually going to commit a crime and law enforcement got involved, no?!?!

One thing I will add - in the hopes someone has found a work-around here - is that SpeakOut doesn't seem to support photos. I found out the hard way when I tried to send a photo of an Amazon Gift Card to an SP and it wouldn't send...I did a test with my other iPhone and my "Jason Bourne" phone (ie. the old iPhone with the SpeakOut SIM) didn't receive photos either... I only do pay-as-you-go top-ups and didn't buy a data plan, but this "issue" still happens when I'm at home on Wifi... who would have thought in 2021 this would be a "thing", or am I missing something???

TIA
If you are sending a message from iMessage to android, android to android, or android to iMessage, it may not send regardless.

You can try sending it via iMessage to iMessage if you are connected to WiFi AND you disable your cellular function.

We live in a world where it’s mostly data so I’m surprised there is even support for no-data plans.
 

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I am not expert in this field, but I remember I am only able to send photos via messaging when the cellular data is on. At least that is the case with my regular phone. If it doesn't work, try to send it via Whatsapp.
Thanks "take8easy"... although, I went on the SpeakOut website and scrolled their "Help" where it states in the fine print that they don't support photos.
Not sure about your iMessage "hack", but I'd have to use my Apple login, which defeats the purpose of having a burner phone.
 
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Thanks "take8easy"... although, I went on the SpeakOut website and scrolled their "Help" where it states in the fine print that they don't support photos.
Well that might explain why I never got any responses to the dick pics I sent out to 50 or so girls to see who was interested. I was starting to think it was me. ?

Btw you can always create a new apple ID for the Imessage hack. I have 2 iphones and both have different apple ID’s
 
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