Black List

[Class Choice]

I have worked for CCE ( class choice escorts) for a couple years now and have been trying to update our Black list (BL). I was told that Audrey has the updated version and would be able to add me two it at a request through ****. I had been messaging her sporadically now for a while, and finally got a response. I am writing on the board today to ask for your opinion. I feel that everyone should be aloud to work in a safe environment and have access to the Blacklist. Working for an agency, it is important to me to have this information so we can all play safe. According to beholders of the blacklist i am not aloud access to this information. Only girls that create an account and personally ask them for it may be entitled to this info. My only problem with this is that not every girl will be able to access this info, or use it in the correct matter for safety.
Here is the PM i received denying our request for the BL, Please let me know your opinions on this as in my opinion we all should have access. thoughts?

Audrey and I have discussed your request.
At this time, we feel that CCE is not a suitable candidate for the BL. Girls can have their own accounts\access and give bad date info to and receive from, CCE management which can then be posted in the BL, so CCE is not without the information and there is no detriment to CCE by not allowing the management to have access. The girls still have access personally and are therefore included in and protected by the Black list.
Regards,
Dawn

 

[postiepete]

Do not pay attention to anything that comes from that board. I have sent you a pm.

 

[athaire]

I thought posting pm's was not allowed? Or is it okay to do so if its from off board?

 

[Class Choice]

If this post is a violation of the rules, I apologize.

The fact of the matter is, we all work in the industry where the girls can easily be put at risk. We should all be supportive of a safe environment and share information with each other regardless whether or not we are an agency or an independent. We did not expect to be discriminated against because despite the fact that we are an agency, we are simply three girls representing a group of others.

If you think about it, an agency with 10 girls that collectively sees over 30 clients per day versus an independent who may see only 2-3 clients per day, there is a larger client base and a higher chance that one of those 30 clients will be a "bad date." versus the 2-3 clients who are often pre-screened and require references to see an established independent.

We are not pimps, we are a licensed, established agency that is 100% female owned and operated.

@ Athaire "13. Regarding private messages. PERB private messages are sent with the expectation that they will remain private. Unless both parties agree, pm's must not be posted publicly. This notwithstanding, users are free to forward offensive pms to PERB administration so that the offending party may be dealt with."

It only mentions PERB, and no mention of private messages from any other boards. I can't assume that it applies to all review boards, and can only take it as it is written.

Here's the thing, you say that girls can request themselves individually, yet you discriminate against us because we are an agency. This is a matter of safety, we have a bad date list that we would like to contribute as well that could have been beneficial to you. Yet it has now become a personal issue and for what, a personal vendetta against CCE? If you have something against us a a whole, who is to say you would even accept one of our SP's as a member?

/end rant

-Lizzy, one of the reception staff.

 

[Unpossible]

I agree. Keep it in the hands of the ladies

...and the board administrator lol!!

 

[Unpossible]

I thought posting pm's was not allowed?

I thought they weren't considered private over there?

 

[classycarly]

I have worked for CCE ( class choice escorts) for a couple years now and have been trying to update our Black list (BL). I was told that Audrey has the updated version and would be able to add me two it at a request through ****. I had been messaging her sporadically now for a while, and finally got a response. I am writing on the board today to ask for your opinion. I feel that everyone should be aloud to work in a safe environment and have access to the Blacklist. Working for an agency, it is important to me to have this information so we can all play safe. According to beholders of the blacklist i am not aloud access to this information. Only girls that create an account and personally ask them for it may be entitled to this info. My only problem with this is that not every girl will be able to access this info, or use it in the correct matter for safety.
Here is the PM i received denying our request for the BL, Please let me know your opinions on this as in my opinion we all should have access. thoughts?

Audrey and I have discussed your request.
At this time, we feel that CCE is not a suitable candidate for the BL. Girls can have their own accounts\access and give bad date info to and receive from, CCE management which can then be posted in the BL, so CCE is not without the information and there is no detriment to CCE by not allowing the management to have access. The girls still have access personally and are therefore included in and protected by the Black list.
Regards,
Dawn

And you wonder why you were denied. You obviously can't deal with an issue properly. No return PM, just go straight to here to complain. The reasons CCE were denied are complex and at the risk of embarassing them, I tried to be polite and professional in my respionse to you. If you really want to, we can get into the reasons here, but I would prefer to not do that as there is enough drama abounding on the boards without adding more. I don't want to air dirty laundry, even if it's CCE's because it's just not proper IMO. The girls have access, as I explained. Even if one girl has access on her own account, there is nothing stopping her from posting that information in the agency for the girls who don't have access. I stand by what I said and the decision wasn't made hastily. All issues were weighed. For you to bring one boards issue to another completely different board is an apparent move to create drama IMO. Why not post it on the board it originates from? The Bad date list is not the end all to be all anyway. The Peers and outreach units have much more extensive lists which everyone has access to. According to CCE, the agency has frequent visits from the street health nurses, so they can get copies from them as well. Like I said, the issues at hand were sensitive and complex therefore we tried to be as delicate as possible in this situation. If you wish to discuss the matter, you should refer it to the place it came from or better yet, deal with it directly and professionaly by messaging me or Audrey, not trying to gain public sympathy without knowing the whole story.

 

[athaire]

If this post is a violation of the rules, I apologize.

The fact of the matter is, we all work in the industry where the girls can easily be put at risk. We should all be supportive of a safe environment and share information with each other regardless whether or not we are an agency or an independent. We did not expect to be discriminated against because despite the fact that we are an agency, we are simply three girls representing a group of others.

If you think about it, an agency with 10 girls that collectively sees over 30 clients per day versus an independent who may see only 2-3 clients per day, there is a larger client base and a higher chance that one of those 30 clients will be a "bad date." versus the 2-3 clients who are often pre-screened and require references to see an established independent.

We are not pimps, we are a licensed, established agency that is 100% female owned and operated.

-Lizzy

/end rant

I have no issue with discussing SP safety etc. open dialoge is a wonderful thing. My question/comment is regarding the rules about posting pm's....

I thought they weren't considered private over there?

Are we on the other board? Since we are here the rules differ no? Come on Goodkat you know the difference.

 

[athaire]

"13. Regarding private messages. PERB private messages are sent with the expectation that they will remain private. Unless both parties agree, pm's must not be posted publicly. This notwithstanding, users are free to forward offensive pms to PERB administration so that the offending party may be dealt with."

It only mentions PERB, and no mention of private messages from any other boards. I can't assume that it applies to all review boards, and can only take it as it is written.

Agreed that is the letter of the law.......but if we are going to be able to post pm's from other boards that kinda leads to all kind of the dreaded "Drama from other boards" doesn't it? Anyhow I don't wish to hijack this thread anymore than I have already...sorry....carry on......

 

[ThisEndUp]

what's yer problem? she told you how you could get the information through a personal membership account. is this too complicated for you? quit wasting our time with your whining...

Wonder why they will not do that, something fishy about the whole thing

Carly, seeing CCE bring dirty clothes out to air can you explain

 

[Pillowtalk]

I dont understand why this question is posed on this site, when it should have been posted and discussed on the other site. On the other hand, the entire thread kind of indicates the OP is not very trustworthy about keeping things private and discrete, and or following the decisions already made and dealing with it. I would think the decision not to allow access has just been justified.

To the OP, also, if you have information that would assist sps in your area, I would think the right and ethical thing to do is simply share it and provide for posting by someone else. It is a show of good faith and good intentions, one rarely seen by agencies.

 

[Unpossible]

The rules make no sense. If an individual girl is allowed to share the blacklist with their agency then what reason is there to not allow the agency access?

 

[classycarly]

The rules make no sense. If an individual girl is allowed to share the blacklist with their agency then what reason is there to not allow the agency access?

The rules make sense. Agencies are allowed access. This particular one is not, (from an admin standpoint only), and like I stated before, the issues surrounding this case are complex and sensitive. I was trying to be polite, tactful and professional for the sake of CCE. If you were involved in the BL and the rules surrounding it, you would understand, but since you aren't, I don't expect you to understand.

 

[classycarly]

The rules make sense. Agencies are allowed access. This particular one is not, (from an admin standpoint only), and like I stated before, the issues surrounding this case are complex and sensitive. I was trying to be polite, tactful and professional for the sake of CCE. If you were involved in the BL and the rules surrounding it, you would understand, but since you aren't, I don't expect you to understand.

As an add on, CCe was invited by Audrey quite some time ago now to join the BL and they declined, saying, "we don't want to be involved and we have nothing to contribute".

 

[Moderator-1]

Folks posting to this thread had better settle down and study the PERB aup.
No more warnings.

 

[Ariel]

I am absoluletly not interested in getting into any kind of debate or drama but i think some are failing to realize that that the receptiionist/phonegirl is the the one manages appts.She is the one who needs the knowledge of the blacklist.If i worked at an agency i would very much like my phonegirl be able to prevent sending me from or experienciencing a bad person. Saying that her girls working there can bring the info to the agency makes no sense to me. For god sakes just give the person who needs it the info.

 

[postiepete]

For you to bring one boards issue to another completely different board is an apparent move to create drama IMO. .

Excuse me? That board from day one was all about taking the drama from here to over there and without the drama threads there was nothing to post. After how many years they are finally starting to settle down now but long timers will never forget the dirty conniving start that went on for years. Not to mention that board was created from the banned members here who could not play nice and had hidden agendas.

 

[postiepete]

Its been my experience that if an incident occurs that is truly horrible enough
to warrant a "black List" the SP's in Victoria will contact each other one way or another.
I wasn't here 1 month before a lady I had never met called to warn me some creep I had never met
was obsessed with me.

Every...yes every sp forum and blacklist I have ever dealt with has had flaws.
I stopped using the "other" board after it was clear the male administrator was in control.
Kinda makes my spine quiver just thinking about the b.s. over there, one lady had a "bad client"
discover he had been added within minutes!

The review boards are for reviews, let the ladies take care of the grapevine, its in our nature.

Quoted for the truth.

Yup I agree 100% there sugar.