Beware! Bad Date!

[Fred Zed]

Hi Monique,

I'm glad to hear you're okay.

You can phone Street Connections to report a bad trick, they publish a newsletter that is distributed from clinics etc so that other people will know about this. 940-2210

Also, maybe we should start a sticky or something on this board where we can report all the bad calls.

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Stay safe

I would suggest to contact the lady at www.HappyHookersofCanada.com
I am almost certain she would be happy to accommodate your request ( eg by adding a section for bad dates out west ) . Here in Toronto bad dates are handled by that site.

 

[ace85]

Hmmm

That sounds like a good idea, but I'm not the type of person to drop to his level. I think that I should just try to get over what happened, and get on with my life. I don't want some big thing starting over this.

All while keeping the money?

So the guy says lets go to the park. You say I am not comfortable going to the park. he says go to the park with me or I am going to let my nephews have you?

Are you telling me you didn't have any opportunity to decide to get out of the situation?

The conversation should go like this.

No I am not willing to go to the park with you. Obviously this isn't what either of us are looking for. Here is your money back.

If you were so uncomfortable with the situation you should just give him all his money back, the fact that you are talking about your expenses (cab fare or what ever) indicates there is another side of the story.

I think more likely he said "go to the park with me" you said "no" he said cmon, you said no. He said then give me my money back, and you said something about the transportation fee, and then he was pissed, and probably threatened you.

It is still wrong what he did, and i think this guy is dangerous and should be avoided, you were probably right to run away, but I am willing to bet you had the chance to end the situation and walk away safely. Some of you actions contributed to the situation escalating.

But there are three sides to every story.

Yours, His and the truth.

 

[mick_eight]

Conflict resolution training maintains that a conflict can be resolved even if one party is hostile, if the other knows how to diffuse it. If both are hostile,look out.... As a friend would say "Look for the white seal" I wonder if any pooners know that signifies? GBM maybe? no wait Webster? no he is a one trick pony.

 

[ace85]

Is it a reference to Rudyard Kipling?

As for conflict resolution.

I have had a few discussions with SPs over money and refunds after the money is in their hand / pocket.

Never have these been amicable. Never have said SPs been eager to part with the money I have given them.

The attitude has been too bad tough shit.

now I will say that these situations have never been with an SP I have any liking / respect / or ongoing relationship, but never the less experience is experience. The conflicts arose not because I couldn't get the services I wanted, but becasue I wanted some of my money back and Sp didn't want to give it back.

 

[mick_eight]

Not Kipling
I used to drink in the Kingsway bar in edmonton in the time when it was huge and rough and a few fights would break out and my friend from newfieland would shout that,they had a soft drink with a white seal as a logo, the drink was called " Keep Cool"

 

[Monique]

All while keeping the money?

So the guy says lets go to the park. You say I am not comfortable going to the park. he says go to the park with me or I am going to let my nephews have you?

Are you telling me you didn't have any opportunity to decide to get out of the situation?

The conversation should go like this.

No I am not willing to go to the park with you. Obviously this isn't what either of us are looking for. Here is your money back.

If you were so uncomfortable with the situation you should just give him all his money back, the fact that you are talking about your expenses (cab fare or what ever) indicates there is another side of the story.

I think more likely he said "go to the park with me" you said "no" he said cmon, you said no. He said then give me my money back, and you said something about the transportation fee, and then he was pissed, and probably threatened you.

It is still wrong what he did, and i think this guy is dangerous and should be avoided, you were probably right to run away, but I am willing to bet you had the chance to end the situation and walk away safely. Some of you actions contributed to the situation escalating.

But there are three sides to every story.

Yours, His and the truth.

You can say whatever you want, but he threatened me, saying if I did not give him service I would be harmed, while arguing with me never once did he ask for his money back. The situation that I explained is the truth, and there was nothing wrong with my reaction.
I cannot be blamed for any of this. I have a right to put my safety first. And like I have said before over and over again, if he wasn't so hostile, and if I wasn't chased down the street, I would have been more than happy to return all his money.
Now I'm regreting posting anything about this situation. I'm tired of being blamed, I did what any other SP would have done!

 

[ace85]

I am not blaming you!

But suggesting that you couldn't have done anything different jsut doesn't jive with me.

I appreciate the tough situation you girls are in, and as a result you tend to have to put out an aggressive in control vibe.

The reality of the situation is that there was a point when it could have gone one on three ways.

Obviously it went to the side of you running away. I am glad nothing bad happened, and in the grande scheme of things I am sure the guy will survive losing the $100.

 

[tom25]

Monique,

You did what anyone would do PERIOD!

There are some people on this board who assume that whatever a SP posts is a lie or some distortion of what happened and that all sp's are just out to scam money from their clients.

Notice that your clients here in the PEG are not doubting your story at all!!

three sides to every story ... hers, his, and the truth. Well, maybe, but I'm not sure how someone who wasn't there and doesn't know any of the people involved, can someone devine the truth from afar. What a lot of bullshit!

Tom

 

[Hollywood_Dream]

If an sp came over and took my money and did nothing...I'd be pissed too...
How do you know he was bringing his nephews?
I'm not saying he is right...cause hes not.
But there must be some law against publishing someones private phone numbers and address.
We all were upset when an sp did the same to us.
Just message all the sp's his info.
Have you spent his money yet?

 

[mick_eight]

I did what any other SP would have done![/QUOTE]
I would suggest you tell us more about the conflict and your attitude by that statement. I would guess that you only see one way of looking at things for everyone. Your Way. Grouping all SP as doing the same as you js like saying all dogs are vicious

 

[mick_eight]

Monique,

You did what anyone would do PERIOD!

There are some people on this board who assume that whatever a SP posts is a lie or some distortion of what happened and that all sp's are just out to scam money from their clients.

Notice that your clients here in the PEG are not doubting your story at all!!

three sides to every story ... hers, his, and the truth. Well, maybe, but I'm not sure how someone who wasn't there and doesn't know any of the people involved, can someone devine the truth from afar. What a lot of bullshit!

Tom

Yah and you make about as much sense as her, fuck are all Winnipegers brains frozen? See what I mean

 

[Monique]

This will be the last post I make on this thread!
I know he was sending his family after me because he said he would if I did not service him outside, when I ran they came running after me!
I have a right to put my safety first, any of you who disagree, you obviously don't know what a terrifying situation I was in.
But I refuse to be blamed for this, or told I did something wrong.
Everyone who knows me and the type of person I am, knows that this was no scam. And also thinks I did the right thing.
Any of you who want to keep posting and saying I am to blame can go right ahead. I don't care.
I'm safe, that's all that matters to me right now!

 

[Killdozer]

Well, I tried to stay out of it . . .

If an sp came over and took my money and did nothing...I'd be pissed too...

Yep, so would I . . . and I'd ask for my money back, not immediately threaten to physically harm her with the help of others, which seems to be what Monique is saying.

How do you know he was bringing his nephews?

I guess she could have waited to see if he backed up his threat, and then tried to outrun a bunch of guys instead of just one.

But there must be some law against publishing someones private phone numbers and address.

I'm sure there is, but also notice that after Monique realized her mistake, she removed the address from her post.

Have you spent his money yet?

I'm not even going to touch that one. If the money's such a pain to all, stick it in an envelope, stamp and address it, and drop it in the post. Or give it to charity.

 

[impulsive2]

Yah and you make about as much sense as her, fuck are all Winnipegers brains frozen? See what I mean

I am not from Winnipeg and I tend to side with Monique on this one. We don't realize how much guts it takes for these women to do what they do. I know it is their choice, but it STILL takes guts.

Meeting people for the first time in their place, not knowing what you are getting into, must be a hell of a scary thing sometimes. Just like it would be for us to meet them at their place.

Let's get real here. It wasn't about the damn money... We have all been ripped off a time or two by some SP's and yes we have been pissed about it, but who the hell in their right mind would send their family after her and litterally chase her for blocks. They wanted to hurt her... plain and simple....

Monique... you did the right thing.... believe me... you only have to look in the fields north of Edmonton to see what happens to those SP's who don't follow their gut instinct.

 

[Cowboygg]

Meeting for the first time is always risky for both sp and the john.There have been storys about boyfriends in the closet and girls demanding big money for a ten minute handjob.Then its get out or my guy will stomp you.I feel for every lady who has to go and take her life into her hands for a few bucks.There are too many crazies out there,be careful ladies.Thats why some stick to their regulars.Very happy you are safe Monique.

 

[mick_eight]

I am not from Winnipeg and I tend to side with Monique on this one. We don't realize how much guts it takes for these women to do what they do. I know it is their choise, but it STILL takes guts.

Meeting people for the first time in their place, not knowing what you are getting into, must be a hell of a scary thing sometimes. Just like it would be for us to meet them at their place.

Let's get real here. It wasn't about the damn money... We have all been ripped off a time or two by some SP's and yes we have been pissed about it, but who the hell in their right mind would send their family after her and litterally chase her for blocks. They wanted to hurt her... plain and simple....

Monique... you did the right thing.... believe me... all you have to do is look to the Edmonton scene to see what happens when you don't. They have fields full of them.

I;m honored that your first post was prompted by my post. I never said she was wrong,and if she had given more information at first people not knowing her may see things from different light. Never the less, I see that no one is defending the generalisations you have used , That is what I was pointing out

 

[WinnipegCharlie]

As for conflict resolution.

I have had a few discussions with SPs over money and refunds after the money is in their hand / pocket.

Never have these been amicable. Never have said SPs been eager to part with the money I have given them.

The attitude has been too bad tough shit.

now I will say that these situations have never been with an SP I have any liking / respect / or ongoing relationship, but never the less experience is experience. The conflicts arose not because I couldn't get the services I wanted, but becasue I wanted some of my money back and Sp didn't want to give it back.

I am just curious what would be the reason (after the session) that you would ask for money back?

thanks
Charlie

 

[shedevil]

I understand what you are saying, but the address is just the same as the number. Sorry I feel this one has lost his right to privacy by F@#$%ing with me. This is just for the ladies, I do not do this at all normally and I do not give out numbers. However this is for safety and I am sure you would understand. I would never disclose unless I felt I needed to. I am strictly looking out for the ladies, sorry gents. This is dangerous for girls, you understand? It is all relevant.

 

[charlieb]

armchair sps

I am amazed what was written here in the past 24 hours.

"You don 't know if the nephews were going to come out" to paraphrase.

The definition of a threat is the implication of harm. Was Monique supposed to verify that the threat was real before she responded to it?

There is a tacit agreement made when an sp goes out to a site or allows a visit. That agreement is that the customer is to neither be violent or to threaten violence. NONE of us in society ever proceed with any sort of transaction with the understanding that should violence or the threat thereof occur, we will continue with the transaction.

When Monique was threatened, the transaction should have been and was terminated immediately. It just so happened that money had changed hands after the CLIENT had chosen to terminate the transaction. YES, I say the client since it was the client that implied violence. It is it that point the transaction was terminated. The only responsibility Monique had at that point was to remove herself safely from the situation.

Had the client not threatened, then there would have been opportunity to negotiate a refund, which I believe Monique would have been prepared to do.

Any analysis, of what Monique could/should have done after being threatened is moot. She reacted and we armchairs sps, at most should advise BUT NEVER judge.

 

[logsplitter]

I have stood back and watched this thread not getting involved at all. Mayby I just have too much time on my hands today but this drivel has gone on too long. Monique keep the cash it is yours! You owe him nothing! He owes you and the rest of us everything because he is screwing up our hobby and scaring the ladies!

Uttering threats is treated very seriously by the courts particularly where one feels physically threatened. This was a serious crime. Had it simply been a loud disagreement between people that is a different story but when a person flees in fear of physical harm that is a whole different kettle of fish! This does not have the flavour of a grab the cash and run. Monique has been in this business long enough and has many customers who speak highly of her. I am not aware of another single critical comment against her that would portray her as dishonest in the regard portrayed by this incident.