Best country for sex tourism in 2018?
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I don't find Thai women particularyly attractive.
Asian women in general aren't really my preference.
Hungarian women are much more my type.
More expensive trip though.
Tickets are about the same $750 or so, but daily expense is more like $150 per day if you don't want to stay in a youth hostel.
A week in Budapest would run about $1,800.
At that rate you would need to get about $260 in extra value each day to make the trip break even.
It could work out.
$50 a day would be very tight in Thailand unless you are a fan of the shared dorm hostel life, don't take any transportation and don't drink alcohol. A basic budget room in Bangkok starts at around $30, a basic meal off the street is going to run you $3-4, a large Singha is generally $3-4, fresh juice $3, a coke over $2 and water $1 in budget suroundings.
Also, I have travelled quite a bit in both Asia and Latin America (including Colombia) - and don't fool yourself - sex tourism is pretty gross. Outside of the sex ghettos, other travellers will generally and genuinely think of you as being an exploitive asshole and treat you with disdain.
Hotels and guest houses often have signage that they aren't sex tourist friendly and to report sex tourism.
Please point me to any proof you have that Thailand hookers are underage. I have spent a total of about 9 months there over 3 trips and to me it sounds like you are repeating something you read. I would say that for tourists underage girls are no more common than they are anywhere in the world. Alot of the girls start out underage in Thai brothels, but as a tourist you are never going to be in one.
Ladies that come to Canada create this age confusion. They advertise as 20 to 25 in Canada, but are actually 40 to 60. So when a pooner goes to Thailand and sees an actual 20 to 25 year old, they guess them as age 10, because they are basing their guess on the lies told back home.
Agree. Most of the Asian escorts here are in their late 30s and 40s, but advertise 10-15 years younger than their actual age...... and most guys here believe it or can't judge. When you see an 18-20 year old Asian girl, they think she's underage. The truth is in Thailand, the Thai military does regular ID checks on all beer bars and agogos, and hence it is very unlikely you will ever encounter a true underage girl through the common tourist means. They are more strict in enforcing IDs than you will ever see in Vancouver, because it is a big part of the tourist industry and they don't want it jeopardised by bad publicity.
I respectfully 100% disagree with that statement. Comparatively to other places discussed here, the talent and VALUE is not on par. Tell me where you can find a 9/10 stunner for $100 or less? Even if i could find a legit 9/10 here (which is rare), it would be in the $300-400 range.
To be fair I was referring to safety , not being bothered by LE and getting arrested, not worrying about travel and the 600 to 1200 dollar flight cost, and correct travel documents..and the OP wants the lowest risk place of getting assaulted when walking around...Canada is a fairly safe place in this violent world...
.I also happen to think the diversity and talent of beautiful women here is astounding ,the positives go on forever.
But...you have every right to disagree my friend.
Your argument is flawed.
Human rights groups, antitrafficking organizations and the US State Department all agree that Thailand does not meet the minimum standard to stop human trafficking and painting the military government as anything but corrupt is laughable.
Being from Vancouver I have enough exposure to Asian civilians that their ages are not mysterious and I am sure many men here are of Asian descent themselves and can judge age.
I have talked to more than one local Caucasian escort that were initially trafficked locally in this industry. In hindsight, they are disgusted by how male clients ignored all of the obvious indicators to have sex with them.
I have said this before, I try my best not to be exploitive in my consumption of paid sex.
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Been travelling for over a decade to Asian and South America. Anyone with minimal street sense knows how to stay safe and avoid trouble. I've never been bothered by LE, got arrested or had problems of being assaulted overseas. Travel documents...you mean a passport...lol.... not a problem. On the converse, I've seen RCMP raids on massage parlors, and even knocking on micros here. So, i say its more risky here in some ways.
It sounds like your argument is based on hearsay, biased 'news reporting' and the opinion of a local caucasian escort....lol...that's pretty hillarious man. You must get your real news from places like CNN and CBC also then...:couch2:
Ask yourself where those NGO's get their funding, and how they cherry pick their stats. They are based on a 'tiny' sample size unrepresentative of the entire industry (in Bangkok alone there are over 500-1000 establishments, with estimated 20,000 escorts). While their intentions are good, they are not 'non profit' and want to create outrage to increase their funding. While there are occasionally individual cases of trafficking, it is not a wide-spread problem as suggested and not representative of the industry there as a whole.
I can tell by your response, you likely haven't been to Thailand or these places and basing your opinion on questionable sources. I've been to Thailand multiple times, speak the language, and seen Thai military come into these places to do checks. If you have done your research, you'll know they've already shut down huge places like "Nataree" years ago (which was maybe the biggest and most popular MPs in the whole country) because of a couple of Laotian girls that were found on site there, and jailed the proprietors, to send a strong message they won't tolerate any trafficking. They take this issue quite seriously, and if the biggest operation (which obviously paid the most bribe money) couldn't survive it, nobody can. Not once have i seen direct evidence of ongoing underage or trafficking, even after years of knowing and confiding with some girls, they have never indicated this. Yes, i bet it does happen on occasion (as it does here locally or anywhere else), but not anywhere close to the extent falsely publicised or nearing a widespread epidemic. The whole industry there is massive and would grind a hault, yet we see the exact converse as Agogos, Beer Bars, and Clubs each have hundreds of women flaunting themselves in full display - they can only do this under the current regime which undergoes strong enforcement because they know they are operating 'within the acceptable limits' and NOT exploiting any trafficked girls.
BTW, when you found out your local caucasian escort was trafficked, what did YOU do about it? what would you have done about it? Any consumption of paid sex is 'exploitive' in nature as there is power imbalance, so your position on it doesn't make you more virtuous, although it appears you like to feel that way.
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Go to Brazil, our currency is so low right now that you can get a high end SP for 2 hours at $100 CAD
First, your reading comprehension sucks, I said that more than one local Caucasian escort have told me that they were trafficked when they entered the industry. Key points - more than one and past tense.
I have also had three people I know tell me directly they have had sex with underage prostitutes in Bangkok.
A simple google search brings up the actual number of prosecutions for human trafficking in Thailand which includes government officials. Again if you think the Thai military isn't corrupt it shows you don't know what you are talking about.
And you are incorrect, I have been to Thailand on multiple occasions and as recently as 2019... yes dumass 2019!!!
Claiming fake news and conspiracies just shows your politics...I'll leave it at that.
Thailand is not even remotely corrupt compared to many other countries. Pick almost any country in Africa and you will see a corrupt government and military.
Yes I have traveled extensively.
Not once did I come into contact with any working girls who didn't appear to be over the age of 20.
Yes I have traveled extensively.
Not once did I come into contact with any working girls who didn't appear to be over the age of 20.
It's obvious you are just trying to project your poor reading comprehension on me. The topic was supposed trafficking in THAILAND, and your credible source of how widespread it is in THAILAND is 'more than one LOCAL Caucasian escort'...lol. Not sure if you realise they are totally different and unconnected countries, with different laws, culture, markets, and enforced/regulated differently. It's like holding a Canadian Banker as an authority in banking regulations in Singapore, which has different laws, infrastructure, participants, and regulations. At least tell me that one of these escorts was coerced to work in Thailand and maybe you'd have some credibility.
So are you changing the topic from' trafficking' back to underage girls, because there is distinction between the two. Despite the fact that i find sex with underage disgusting and deplorable, and i'm disturbed you keep company with people that knowingly engage with underaged girls, I'll indulge you anyways. When and where did this happen (i.e. recently post Thai-Junta? in a regular agogo bars accessible to tourists where they perform regular ID checks? or via underground pimps) Did your 'friends' actually check their IDs, or your friends just bad judge of age of Asian girls and assume they are young? Or are your friends pedophiles which seek illegal underground networks specifically looking for underage girls? Details matter. Regardless, 3 isolated examples (which would amount to 'hearsay' anyways) cannot be used to generalise a whole industry. I've been with over 100 girls there, all from the common channels where business permits were needed, police ID were performed along with regular medical checks (where age is also screened by medical professionals) and none were underaged or trafficked, so i guess my experience must outweigh that of your 3 friends.
I never said the Thai military wasn't corrupt (again your lack of reading comprehension lol). They ARE corrupt and regularly accept bribes for places to stay open, but they have limits to their corruption and they don't tolerate human trafficking and they regularly do ID checks to enforce this. A google search will show that they already shut down their BIGGEST cash cow "Nataree" massage parlor (amongst others) because of the prescence of Laotian women, so clearly bribery can't circumvent trafficking offences. Another google search will show in 2015, there were 151 cases of human trafficking related to sexual services, and an estimated 27,000 total prostitutes, making it less than a 0.56% probability the girl is coerced into sex. This number has gone down in recent years also. This is consistent with my experiences, as all girls i have met are Thai girls of age and willingly participating in the trade. These facts and statistics show how unlikely it is to encounter a trafficked girl, especially through the common channels (unless you are deliberately searching for underage/trafficked girls, via underground networks, which i DON"T), and show your glaring ignorance of the subject matter. I would venture to guess that in Vancouver, there is greater than a 0.56% chance the girl is trafficked (based on your experiences of traficked local caucasian escorts, and the significantly lower number of total prostitutes) making it more likely to be exploitive activity here.
So If you have been to Thailand, why are you relying on your 'friends' hearsay instead of your own personal experiences? How many Thai girls have you find in common establishments (Agogos, beer bars, clubs) that you confirmed were trafficked in your ever vast experience? (I'm guessing none, otherwise you would have mentioned it) Given the strict stance the government has taken against trafficking, the chances of finding such in the common channels (e.g. Beer bars and agogos and massage parlors) are EXTREMELY rare and not representative of the general industry (less than 0.5%). Your examples of underaged trafficking relate to a different type of disgusting clientele who can only find such through hidden underground networks, which i and most here do not look for nor indulge.
It sounds like you want to appear holier than than and virtue signal by claiming you are not 'exploitive' in your consumption of paid sex', but just saying such while doing all the same time doesn't make it so, it just makes you a hypocrite.
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My belief is most people go for work or holidays, so it is not an added travel cost.
Top choice, stunning looks, amazing service, sleeping over for about 15 hours, would cost around the equivalent of $200 - $300 Canadian.
If not picky about looks cut that by 50%-70%. Also so plentiful there is no need to go looking if for example BKK, just go out for dinner alone as a Canadian male, and get multiple offers. The smooth ones ask if they can buy you a drink, if you agree, they are open to sit at your table, and when the server comes by order drinks. A little flirting and the offer is given. These are intelligent women, who usually speak English well, can hold a great conversation, in their 20s-30s. Prices are negotiable, and they actually expect you to barter, unlike here. They will start at the asking price of 3000 to 5000 baht, soon it will be 1000 per hour, or say 5000 - 7000 baht for an all night and till afternoon the following day. If you searching like some guy on a hunting trip, they see you as desperate and prices soar. The service is second to none, and it is whatever you want it to be from GFE to PSE, or dream it and they are usually willing to say yes. Just stay at a good hotel tourists frequently and eat at the restaurant in the hotel. They go there to find the tourists, and the hotels get to know who is good and bad quickly, to keep their rep up they kick the scammers or bad service working girls out. Frequent travelers already know all of this, but for those of you who didn't know before, know you do. Its not exclusive to Thailand, pick a country, Ukraine, Germany, Caicos, Romania, Mexico, those beautiful women in the lobby, lounge, restaurants, they are not there by accident. 200 months of travel around the world has taught me many things, this is just one.
Top choice, stunning looks, amazing service, sleeping over for about 15 hours, would cost around the equivalent of $200 - $300 Canadian.
If not picky about looks cut that by 50%-70%. Also so plentiful there is no need to go looking if for example BKK, just go out for dinner alone as a Canadian male, and get multiple offers. The smooth ones ask if they can buy you a drink, if you agree, they are open to sit at your table, and when the server comes by order drinks. A little flirting and the offer is given. These are intelligent women, who usually speak English well, can hold a great conversation, in their 20s-30s. Prices are negotiable, and they actually expect you to barter, unlike here. They will start at the asking price of 3000 to 5000 baht, soon it will be 1000 per hour, or say 5000 - 7000 baht for an all night and till afternoon the following day. If you searching like some guy on a hunting trip, they see you as desperate and prices soar. The service is second to none, and it is whatever you want it to be from GFE to PSE, or dream it and they are usually willing to say yes. Just stay at a good hotel tourists frequently and eat at the restaurant in the hotel. They go there to find the tourists, and the hotels get to know who is good and bad quickly, to keep their rep up they kick the scammers or bad service working girls out. Frequent travelers already know all of this, but for those of you who didn't know before, know you do. Its not exclusive to Thailand, pick a country, Ukraine, Germany, Caicos, Romania, Mexico, those beautiful women in the lobby, lounge, restaurants, they are not there by accident. 200 months of travel around the world has taught me many things, this is just one.
For me it would be just be a trip for the hobby.
I don't travel to foreign countries for work.
If I was on a regular vacation, I would be with people that would put a damper on activities.
Not sure why, but tickets to Brazil seem to be over twice as much as to Thailand or Hungary.
