BC Elections : Predictions Anyone?
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I just noticed that NDP has leap-frogged Libel-ers albeit by a small margin. I guess the undecided voters can make a difference tomorrow. Speaking of which, I just posted a thread..
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Cripes you are out to lunch and off your meds.If Harper was so mad for power and to extend his governance he would have called a snap election 2 weeks after that nutjob tried to storm the house of commons with a lever action rifle.As for people mad for power how about that pussy wimp Dion along with Layton and Duceppe trying to form a coalition government just after Harper won his second minority government.No he did not get a majority government he got a minority but that does not mean the 3 losers of the election get to gang up and hijack the government.Harper pro-rouged parliament and fully intended to call another election of those 3 jackasses wished to pursue it.....they did not because the common refrain from Canadians was "I did ot vote for those assholes as a team"
As for the 4 years that Harper held a majority government there was no legislation that was predicted by the leftist media with regards to Harper's "hidden agenda" in that abortion laws were not changed etc and there was no crackdown on gay rights and so on and so forth.In fact Harper had the party whip crack down on the respective MP's that proposed such legislation via private members bills and for that Harper was called and labelled a "control freak" by the leftist media when ALL Canadian Prime Ministers ever elected have done the exact same thing....it is called a "whipped vote" in that all MP's are TOLD to vote along the party's line and position.Trudeau has done it since he has been in charge multiple times but there is no press about it because the leftist media just plain love the Shiny Pony.
As for comparing Harper to Stalin....well you truly are delusional.Ever hear of a few million Canadian citizens being shipped off to say the Yukon to live in work camps?How about a few hundred thousand Canadians that got yanked out of their beds in the middle of the night by the state secret police and dragged to a government jail to be interrogated/tortured and then shot?......aw sorry those atrocities did not happen.
From your post the only thing I can gather is that you are a bleeding heart liberal or a filthy socialist....if it is the latter I have news for you....socialism does not work.....just look at what used to be the USSR.
When it comes down to brass tacks the NDP in every Province they have been elected to run have run that Province into the ground.They have done it in BC/Ontario/Manitoba and are currently doing it to Alberta.At the same time they have done nothing but commit graft/bribery/cronyism and kickbacks.....the record speaks for itself and it is very well represented in EVERY Province they have governed.A track record for that is not good to say the least and it represents not 1 Province but 4....I am thankfull they have never gotten a Federal mandate.The funny thing is that the NDP under that nutjob Notley actually think they got a mandate to govern.....they still have not clued into the fact that they got elected via a protest vote gone horribly wrong.In BC....well you already elected a previous NDP government and look at what that gave the Province...Bingogate/Casinogate/Fast ferries.....Glen Clark who took a 100K bribe.....how about the interior minister who had a 10 mile highway built through crown land to give himself a 10 mile private driveway to his ranch in Williams Lake and the list goes on and on.All told the NDP had 3 leaders resign in disgrace over things that would land a regular person in JAIL but they got off scot free which is no surprise.
In Alberta the NDP got elected because of Jim Prentiss saying the absolutely worst thing he could say on the hustings and the NDP got elected because of a protest vote gone wrong.The NDP never ran the show in Alberta and they are doing shit job of it thus far and there is no fucking way they will get a second mandate.In BC the NDP has a shitty track record marred by a lot of stuff and to elect them is akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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If you want to be outraged look at the true cost of the sea to sky highway which I have to be honest I used regularly and was quite happy after completion but understand the furry it generates for people from out of the lower mainland .
Oh by the way USSR were communist not socialist . Socialism is what Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark would be the closest exemple .
Funny that our election stir so much passion in Alberta
A minority government by either party might be the best outcome, this time around.
Read this if you haven't voted yet. Anybody voting for Clark either doesn't care about this shit, believes the Liberal BS or simply doesn't pay attention...http://thebreaker.news/opinion/read-before-you-vote/
Try again, pal. Since I'm no bleeding heart and no SJW, I don't have to be politically correct about language, nor ever pay lip service to pacifism, or apologize for hating Canada's shittiest PM.
I'm definitely not sorry if what I say makes Wildrose fanboys from Tar Stump AB cry - sometimes pampered snowflakes need to be melted. Better them than the rest us.
If that makes me a barbarian, great. I'd rather be a free savage than a civilized slave.
Now, about the content of what I said, I'll expand it a tad. What we already saw under Harper:
- C-36 (the Moralizing Prudishness Act)
- C-51 (the Five Eyes Deep State act)
- suppression of factual scientific activity within government; elimination of the long-form Census
- mass-deletion of environmental regulations; gutting of any ability to enforce environmental and public safety
- ruling Conservative party "loyalty officers" appointed to every part of federal government; all releases of information require approval of ruling party (yes, that is how it was in Soviet states too)
- government of Canada overtly rebranded to identify with the ruling party and its leader
- re-tooling of foreign aid programs to support evangelical pet projects and delete any programs to do with promoting contraception or women's rights
- tax and other regulatory agencies targeted all NGOs which oppose ruling party policies
- speaking of which, Harper gave orders to the CRA to forgive all the tax-avoiding oligarchs and helped them hide billions of dollars overseas
- any criticism of Netanyahu labelled as "anti-semetic terrorism"
- control of Canadian weapons policy by US-based "2nd amendment" groups; killings of Canadian police by US-style militia fanatics were not treated as terrorist acts
- blind alignment with NATO expansionism; promotion of war against Russia, and NeoCon "regime change" projects; arms sales to wahabbist Saudi Arabia (which Trudeau has stupidly continued)
- "Fair Voting Act" designed to suppress voting; Elections Canada prohibited from promoting the act of voting
- Intelligence agencies and police ordered to target environmentalist, aboriginal, and pro-democracy groups as a threat to national security
- Snitch lines so you could report your neighbours for "barbaric cultural practices" - proposed but not enacted, thank fuck. Had that come in, gulags would have followed.
So don't tell me another 4 years of Harperism would have been anything but criminal anti-Canadian tyranny. I'm glad his government is dead and gone. May those bastards never rise again.
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The USSR was the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.Russia in and of itself is a big country and was ruled by the Romanov's until the Red October uprising during WW1.During WW2 after the German army faltered taking out Russia due to both strategic failures and not accounting for the harsh Russian winter Russia counter attacked and were actually in Berlin and laying siege to it before American and British forces.After all was said and done Russia claimed a lot of real estate after WW2 was over and the Berlin wall was erected.That real estate included a lot of formerly seperate countries like Poland etc.The political doctrine that took hold due to the revolution in 1918 was Marxism and at the time the idea was a somewhat good one because the people were downtrodden and living under a Monarchy that was both uncaring and at times quite brutal.Under the rule of Stalin after Lenin died it got a lot worse.The USSR's political doctrine was based on Marxist Socialism and then turned into Communism.....the NDP are just a shade to the right of being outright Commies.....Tommy Douglas who was the founder of the NDP was in fact investigated by the RCMP for his Communist sympathies.As for the passion about the BC election I was born in BC and I lived there for quite a few years and I moved back to Alberta in 1997 and found my niche/career and in doing so built a better life for my self.That being said I lived in BC under the NDP governance in the 1990's and all the residents of BC got from the NDP was bad governance as well as corruption/graft and kickbacks and also a shitload of cronyismThe NDP ran BC into the ground and a lot of the high profile connected insiders lined their collective pockets whilst doing so.The NDP has done this in every Province where they have been elected.Ontario/Manitoba/Saskatchewan and now currently in Alberta where they have 2 more years in power before they do not get the benefit of a protest vote gone horribly wrong.I guess the best way to sum it up is that I dont like the mindset of "misery loves company" It is bad enough the NDP fluked out and got elected in Alberta and it is most definately miserable I just dont want the same thing to happen in BC as it will be just plain bad for the Province that overall has done very well under the Liberals(I will emphasize once again I firmly of the opinion that the BC Liberal Party is Liberal in name only and are more of a centre right party) and BC will go into the toilet under an NDP government.
Well if you want the NDP in office and running the government of BC with their LEAP manifesto as their main plank you really dont give a rats ass about society in general.I have already said it once in this thread and I will say that quote again and add another.
Socialism is the philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy.It's inherant nature is the sharing of misery.....Winston Churchhill.
Socialism is great until you run out of money....Margaret Thatcher.
I truly hope the NDP do not form even a minority government but should they manage to do so I will keep a very sharp eye on the governance by the NDP and I will start a thread for each instance of graft/cronyism etc that is comitted by the NDP and gleefully rub your nose in it.If they form government it those things WILL happen and at the same time the NDP will run the Province of BC into the ground just like they have done to EVERY Province they have Governed.Never in the history of Canadian politics has there been a financially responsible/fiscally prudent NDP Government.Their Governance is littered with kickbacks/bribes/cronyism and scandal after scandal....so much so in BC that the party went through 3 leaders and Glen Clark did not go to jail because he bought his way out with high priced lawyers.Truth be told I doubt ANY Canadian politician will ever be jailed....same as none of the Lieberal insiders went to jail over the Sponsorship Scanadal.The only way you get shafted in politics in Canada and the USA as well as Hollywood is if you are caught with a live boy or a dead girl.
As for the Youtube clip I actually liked that guys response.He was calling a spade a spade with regards to the leftist media which made the Duffy trial into a political witch hunt.Of course the leftist media paid no attention nor investigated Mac Harb the Lieberal Senator who resigned and paid back his dis-allowed expenses in a lump sum and got swept under the rug.His expenses were more than Duffy/Brazeau/Wallin combined and were just shy of $500,000.Funny how he could miraculously come up with just shy of half a million dollars off the cuff.I doubt he did...more like the Lieberal party paid the money and told him to shut up and resign and get swept under the rug so they could throw the mud.
That being said I truly hope I dont have to be posting threads about the BC NDP Government.....though I will enjoy rubbing your nose in the scandal after scandal I do have friends in BC and I really dont want them to live through that kind of Governance AGAIN.
SR
Predictions? Only this:
It's a hard thing to oust one of these [false] majority governments. It takes a big shift in seats, and in BC that is going to play out according to local vote "efficiency".
It's not really one election; it's 87 little elections, and so the total popular vote total means very little unless there is a big shift for or against one party.
Given the cruddy, antiquated, choice-destroying First-Past-The-Post electoral system, whatever seat count we get will almost certainly be a distortion of the actual voter preferences. Lots of votes will be wasted.
People are aware of how the system works, so there may be some strategic voting, but I do not think it will be nearly as much as there was in the 2015 federal election.
It's a hard thing to oust one of these [false] majority governments. It takes a big shift in seats, and in BC that is going to play out according to local vote "efficiency".
It's not really one election; it's 87 little elections, and so the total popular vote total means very little unless there is a big shift for or against one party.
Given the cruddy, antiquated, choice-destroying First-Past-The-Post electoral system, whatever seat count we get will almost certainly be a distortion of the actual voter preferences. Lots of votes will be wasted.
People are aware of how the system works, so there may be some strategic voting, but I do not think it will be nearly as much as there was in the 2015 federal election.
So are you saying you would prefer Proportional Representation which would lead to say the Green Party that gets say 15% of the vote in each riding therefore getting 15% of the seats in the Legislature even though the Green Party would not have won a single seat when it comes down to counting the ballots?
That is like participation trophies for politics. X party ran candidates but X party's candidates did not garner enough votes to win a single seat but gets 15% of the seats in the Legislature because THAT Party got 15% of the votes.That is how it is done in Europe and Europe or more specifally the European Union is pretty fucked these days....under Merkel in Germany there is a leftist apologist running things and the fucking country is over run by illegal immigrants.....the leftist media calls them refugees but they are economic migrants.....they skirt immigration laws and are invading Europe via Greece.Britain had to resort to building fences on the French side of the Channel Tunnel to hold back the tide of this invasion.
I must ask again.....do you think that Proportional Representation is a good thing?
SR
Yes. Parties should get as many seats as they actually deserve.
Your "participation trophy" notion is wrong. Politics is not sports, where there's only two teams on the field (nor a race, where only the first horse across the line matters).
We elect legislatures to represent the public's beliefs - not to just have Team Red and Team Blue be the only two possible choices. Canada has not been a 2 party society for nearly 100 years.
The effect of is that the system is rigged to give absolute power to those with only minority support.
You gave Germany as an example, but let me give you a better one: Alberta.
Does it seem natural to you that the NDP should rule there, with a majority of seats and no way to countermand anything they do for 4 years? That's first past the post for you. If it was proportional, Wild Rose and the PC's would likely rule as partners today. By the rules, the NDP are the "winners" - but is that really representing what Alberta's public looks like?
People say "the right should unite there" - but that's only the electoral system talking ! What if Wildrose and the PC's really shouldn't be one party ? Maybe the Wildrose ideology will never suit urban Alberta, or most of the mainstream. Maybe the PC's are good for business oriented elites, but just not a good home for rural folks or social conservatives. The system is forcing them together, but it could be that they would not want to be united if the electoral system really allowed them the freedom to choose.
That's what I'm saying: people should not be holding their noses as they vote, choosing options that otherwise they would not support.
If the parties cannot get the support of a real majority by themselves, they should act like adults and play the hand the public dealt them.
Wow you are an ignorant tool in comparing Porportional Representation in general to Alberta's last election.The NDP won in Alberta because of a MASSIVE protest vote gone wrong.In EVERY riding the NDP won it was by the thiinest of margins and the WR and the PC's split the vote down the middle.Before the last election the NDP held 4 seats in the Legislature in Alberta.To be blunt it was the most fucked up election outcome in Alberta's history and to actually find an Albertan that will ADMIT they voted NDP is a rare thing.I know of one guy and I grind it to him every time I talk to him and by doing so I risk getting banned from a loading dock in a very large building that is key and central to my job.I do it anyway as he voted NDP and I figure if he voted for that shit he gets to wear it for the term of the government.
A merger between the Wildrose and the PC's is a means to an end then that goal is to avoid vote splitting between 2 Conservative parties in Alberta come the next election and to be honest the leader of that party could be a strategically shaved monkey in a nice suit and I would vote for it.....a far better choice than the NDP which have thus far bulked up on Government jobs and the Public Sector unions which are the only jobs they have created...given Albertan's a carbon tax which means jack shit with regards to actually lowering those evil green house gasses.Rachel Notley got busy with the NDP Cronyism right off the bat when she hired 12 chiefs of staff for her cabinet and all of them were from Vancouver or Toronto.....next up as more Government waste with the new Oil Sands Advisory Panel to which a lifelong anti-oil sands activist Tzeporrah Berman was put on.To put an anti-oil sands activest(eco terrorist) on a government advisory panel is putting a fox in the henhouse but the NDP likes it's Cronyism.
You are quite clear with what you want and whilst I hope you get what you deserve I actually dont wish that upon BC.I dont actually like BC.To me BC stands for Bring Cash(and lots of it) at the same time I dont want to see BC saddled with an inept government that will be eventually riddled with scandals of kickbacks/graft etc not to mention to be run into the ground under mountains of DEBT brought on by the Socialist NDP who will cater to the Public Sector unions and put it all on the backs of tax payers....no need to worry about tax payers when you are one of the Socialist elite that knows what is BEST for society.
I will pay attention to the election results and mark my words should the NDP win even a minority government I will follow and I will post threads on it and make you eat your words.I will taunt you and rub your nose in each and every scandal and there will be lots of them.All the NDP knows is the ideal that "we are smarter than you and we know what is best" and the filthy LEAP manifesto is creedence to that...from it's brainchild's such as Naomi Klein whose idea of life is "do as I say not as I do"...to say "It's my money and I worked for it" is laughed off by the NDP with the response of "what a preposterous notion" and that is a direct quote from Nathan Cullen from the hustings during 2015.The NDP are a sidestep to the right of being outright Communists and they actually adulate Communists such as Che Gheverra and Hugo Chavez.If you want to vote for that ilk and promote that suffering of misery....well to be blunt your are a POS and you are a hindrance to good society.
SR
As someone stated, its the only election I have seen where all 3 parties come out with a victory speech lol. I guess it will take some time before we find out whom the true winner is, though my guess is it the Greens. Definitely not us, the voters.
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It looks like everyone will have to wait for the Recount in Courtenay-Comox. Currently the NDP has 9 more votes than the Liberals. That looks like the only riding that can change.
If Courtenay-Comox ends up Liberal, the Liberals have 44 seats, the NDP have 40 seats and the Greens have 3 seats. If Courtenay-Comox stays NDP, the Liberals have 43 seats, the NDP have 41 seats and the Greens have 3 seats. We would be pretty much guaranteed that the Liberals would be defeated in a confidence vote and we would have a Summer election.
I don't think it would be possible for the Liberals to make a deal with the Greens for their votes. The Greens want Kinder Morgan killed and they want Proportional Representation, the Liberals wouldn't be able to say yes.
I will try to disregard that fact . We might just say that Albertans and British Columbians have different views or goals at times which might benefit or not each other .
We can all select historical events, data and theories to reinforce and convince ourselves that our belief system is right . Right ?
Don't worry storm rider that pipeline won't get built in the port of Vancouver :tape: ;-)
All that while the Chinese and Indians talk a double language about CO2 and not wanting to lower their emissions but out pacing us in investments toward clean energy technology and production plants ...just to make sure they get the upper hand later while we concentrate on short term profit . You (Albertans ) would be wise to do like Norway that seats on a trillion dollar with their legacy fund and start squirrel Ing away or start funneling the oil revenue into clean energy technology .....Even if the sun is shinning , the ice is not melting , the sea level is not rising and acidifying as well as we are breathing the cleanest air ever in history .
Love from BC
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I'm not too sure about that.
Do the Greens want to be labeled as John Horgan's personal cock suckers now that they have established themselves?
If (and it is likely, pending the recount and final tally) there will be a non-confidence vote at some point and an election gets called I would suspect that the Liberals would actually come back with a majority. Like most elections, the disgruntled are usually the loudest and make up the larger voter turnout- hence the strong NDP showing. I'm sure that there would be a surge of Libs coming out to a fresh election.
And the Green vote might actually slip back towards the NDP, leaving them a bit shy in the count.
I think that the Greens actually have more juice by aligning themselves with the Libs in this case. The only reason I can see for them to bend over for the Red Windbreaker is because they feel they might actually gain a seat or two.
In any case, with a probable minority, the Greens have some very tough decisions regarding their alignment, and should think long and hard about ringing the bell too soon.
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