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It was obvious that Hurt Locker was going to win and not Avatar.

Let's see:

On one side you have a rah-rah pro-military, pro-US policy movie while the US is in two seperate wars.

On the other side, you have an anti-military, anti-capitalism, anti-US policy movie

Hmm

I wonder which one is going to win?
 
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future canadian said:
The Hurt Locker took best film and director! .. woot! .. and did you notice James Cameron was sitting behind Kathryn Bigelow?
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Inspiring win by Director Kathryn Bigelow. Sends a wonderful message to the younger generation that nothing is indeed impossible when you don't give up on your dreams. :)
 
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Big Dog Striker said:
Inspiring win by Director Kathryn Bigelow. Sends a wonderful message to the younger generation that nothing is indeed impossible when you don't give up on your dreams. :)
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But flood the entertainment business with politics? No fucking way! This is why lots of countries in the world hate USA!
 
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ferris bueller said:
There was no political statement in Hurt Locker. No right or wrong. Just a bunch of guys trying to survive until the end of their tour of duty doing a hazardous job. Watch the movie before commenting idiot.
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What kind of duty and what kind of hazardous job? Why were they there at the first place?
 
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James Cameron did not seem all that pleased with Ben Stiller's make up job. Or perhaps he figured early on that it wasn't going to be his night.
 
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island-guy said:
It was obvious that Hurt Locker was going to win and not Avatar.

Let's see:

On one side you have a rah-rah pro-military, pro-US policy movie while the US is in two seperate wars.

On the other side, you have an anti-military, anti-capitalism, anti-US policy movie

Hmm

I wonder which one is going to win?
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I have seen hurt locker, and at no time did I feel it was a rah-rah pro-military movie.
In fact the opposite, makes you think how shitty these guys have it, and what a horrible place to be.
Not to mention the hero, is bascially fucked in the head from the war.
 
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Kathryn Bigelow directed Point Break, one of my favorites. More power to her.
 
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Why Oscar didn't embrace 'Avatar'

http://ca.movies.yahoo.com/news/usmovies.thehollywoodreporter.com/why-oscar-didnt-embrace-avatar

Why Oscar didn't embrace 'Avatar'
Source: The Hollywood Reporter
Sun Mar 07, 2010, 10:02 pm EST

By the time "The Hurt Locker" won best picture Sunday night, it seemed almost a foregone conclusion since it previously earned honors from the Producer's Guild, BAFTA, Broadcast Critics, the National Society and critics groups in New York, L.A. and elsewhere.

But "Hurt Locker" was anything but a sure thing. In a historical context, its win is surprising.

After all, it is the lowest-grossing best picture winner of all time; it was never on more than 535 movie screens; and it beat the highest-grossing movie in modern history, one that has continued to play on thousands of screens for nearly three months. In the era of blockbusters, "Locker" cost a mere $11 million to make compared with the more than $230 million cost of "Avatar."

To earn its gold, "Hurt Locker" had to break what producer Greg Shapiro called "The Iraq War Curse," referring to all the movies touching on that conflict that had failed to find an audience. It had to weather attacks in the media and from some in the military who questioned the realism of how it portrayed the bomb removal unit.

The film also drew censure for the behavior of one of its producers, the first to be banned from attending the Academy Awards. And it had to win with backing from Summit Entertainment, a relatively new and small distributor that had never before won an Oscar.

There also is the parallel question of whether "Avatar" and distributor Fox contributed to their own demise in the best picture race.

The sci-fi epic had been critically acclaimed, far more widely seen and was widely heralded for its breakthrough technology. And it boasted the deep pocket backing of a major Hollywood studio.

Could it be explained as the ultimate example of the split personality in Hollywood, where movie choices are mostly driven by the need to make large amounts of money but where the people behind the camera still want to be seen as making art? And was it hurt by attacks from the political right on the movie's plot, which was seen as a dig on America's Iraq incursion?

Or was "Avatar's" Oscar hopes doomed because it was sci-fi, a genre that rarely has been rewarded by Oscar? After all, there are precedents.

In 1977, when " Star Wars " was the breakthrough movie, it lost best picture to Woody Allen 's low-budget comedy "Annie Hall." And in 1982, when "E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial" was rewriting boxoffice records, it was beaten for best picture by the biopic "Gandhi."

The path that "Hurt Locker" took was anything but standard. After Summit picked up domestic distribution in September 2008, it put the movie on the shelf because its release schedule was crowded. Then Summit opened "Hurt Locker" in the summer as counter programming instead of in the fall, when most serious dramas get a showcase launch.

Summit turned the Oscar campaign strategy over to PR firm 42 West, where veteran campaigner Cynthia Swartz called the shots. Swartz was criticized for waiting until early December to send out the DVDs, even though the whole strategy revolved around getting the movie seen by as many voters as possible.

She also had to get attention from Academy voters and guild members for a movie without any marquee names and a subject that put off many people already weary of a war that never seemed to end.

What Swartz did right was to center the campaign around Bigelow, a woman who directed with as much glory and guts as any man, and to feature writer/producer Mark Boal for his screenplay and real-life story as a journalist who was embedded with a bomb disposal unit in Iraq .

She had bound copies of the "Hurt Locker" script sent to every member of the WGA, earning guild honors for the original screenplay and the same award at the Oscars.

Meanwhile, Fox seemed to downplay awards campaigning, letting Cameron take the lead. And what Cameron wanted to talk about was how frustrated he was that his actors, whose performances were captured by CGI technology, were not taken as seriously as live-action actors.

While his righteousness was sincere, that didn't go over well with many real-life actors who feel threatened by the possibility that they might be replaced by synthetic performers. That backlash might have mattered, because actors are by far the largest bloc of voters in the Academy.

At first, Summit's marketing tried to hide the Iraq war theme of "Hurt Locker," just as "Avatar" tried to sidestep the science-fiction label. In the end, both movies tried to position themselves as important parts of screen history. That worked for "Hurt Locker" but not for "Avatar," which will have to settle for being the biggest-grossing movie, even though it didn't gain the respect that comes with the best picture trophy.
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DJLAW said:
Kathryn Bigelow directed Point Break, one of my favorites. More power to her.
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My favourite Katherine Bigelow movie is "Near Dark."
 
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I've seen both movies and enjoyed them both for different reasons. One thing I'm sure of though, is that Hurt Locker will be remembered as just another movie 10 years from now (all be it a good one). Avatar will be remembered as a breakthrough movie for 10 years and beyond.
 
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I have seen hurt locker, and at no time did I feel it was a rah-rah pro-military movie.
In fact the opposite, makes you think how shitty these guys have it, and what a horrible place to be.
Not to mention the hero, is bascially fucked in the head from the war.
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Ok, to put it in simpler terms.

In Hurt Locker, you sympathise, empathise and "cheer" for the army guys.

In Avatar, the army guys, and one in particular, is a total maniac that everyone is supposed to hate.

Gee, I wonder which one is going to do well in the awards?

cheer for the military guy or hate the military guy.. hmm
 
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island-guy said:
Ok, to put it in simpler terms.

In Hurt Locker, you sympathise, empathise and "cheer" for the army guys.

In Avatar, the army guys, and one in particular, is a total maniac that everyone is supposed to hate.

Gee, I wonder which one is going to do well in the awards?

cheer for the military guy or hate the military guy.. hmm
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Cheer for the military guy means you agree to invasion. Hate means you don't agree to invasion.
 
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