Are 3 out of 4 of us really assholes?

[SFMIKE]

Just passing along the information as it was told to me.

Over the course of my last two trips north I saw a certain young lady a total of 5 times, so I got to know her quite well. She is much younger than my usual interests, but I was captivated by her smile. Nobody has rocked my boat in Vancouver like this little lady since a certain young lady at Simon's last summer. If you kept up with your reading here you know who I am talking about. But, this is not my purpose here. No need to reveal who she is or where she works because this is not a review. It is more about us as pooners and how we treat these ladies. Suffice it to say she works in one of the more up-scale micros that has been fairly heavily reviewed in the past.

From my very first time with her she would constantly tell me how nice I was to her and how I treated her so well. I simply responded that I could not see why everybody would not treat her the same. But, as I got to know her more I discovered that life working in a place like this is not all peaches and cream for the girls. I simply found out that the way I am with these little ladies is not the norm, at least for her.

She told me about how she was recently unable to work because of an "injury" she received from a customer. When I tried to get her to tell me more she was very reluctant to go into detail about what had happened, so I let it be. She also said that one of her co-workers had also reecntly been injured by a customer and was unable to work.

After having many discussions with her on this subject I finally posed a hypothetical (not the word I used as she would not understand it) question about, say, in a group of 20 customers, how many would treat her well. She responded, almost with tears in her eyes, "5".

She is a very warm, very happy individual (at least with me) who deserves none of the treatment she has gotten. She apparently has little control over what takes place while she is working so her only choice is to take it or quit. But, she is, like many of these girls in the business only there to make money in the short term.

So, what is the purpose of my writing this? My hope is that if at least one of the few who take the time to read this is influenced enough to take a look at himself and decide if he is one of the 3 out of 4 who could do a better job of showing some of these ladies the respect they deserve, that this person will start to be a kinder, gentler (and possibly less physical) person you would benefit by seeing the same smile that I receive every minute I am with this little lady, or any little lady similar to her.

Believe me, the rewards are much greater than the effort it takes.

 

[sexyndnwomam]

Just passing along the information as it was told to me.

Over the course of my last two trips north I saw a certain young lady a total of 5 times, so I got to know her quite well. She is much younger than my usual interests, but I was captivated by her smile. Nobody has rocked my boat in Vancouver like this little lady since a certain young lady at Simon's last summer. If you kept up with your reading here you know who I am talking about. But, this is not my purpose here. No need to reveal who she is or where she works because this is not a review. It is more about us as pooners and how we treat these ladies. Suffice it to say she works in one of the more up-scale micros that has been fairly heavily reviewed in the past.

From my very first time with her she would constantly tell me how nice I was to her and how I treated her so well. I simply responded that I could not see why everybody would not treat her the same. But, as I got to know her more I discovered that life working in a place like this is not all peaches and cream for the girls. I simply found out that the way I am with these little ladies is not the norm, at least for her.

She told me about how she was recently unable to work because of an "injury" she received from a customer. When I tried to get her to tell me more she was very reluctant to go into detail about what had happened, so I let it be. She also said that one of her co-workers had also reecntly been injured by a customer and was unable to work.

After having many discussions with her on this subject I finally posed a hypothetical (not the word I used as she would not understand it) question about, say, in a group of 20 customers, how many would treat her well. She responded, almost with tears in her eyes, "5".

She is a very warm, very happy individual (at least with me) who deserves none of the treatment she has gotten. She apparently has little control over what takes place while she is working so her only choice is to take it or quit. But, she is, like many of these girls in the business only there to make money in the short term.

So, what is the purpose of my writing this? My hope is that if at least one of the few who take the time to read this is influenced enough to take a look at himself and decide if he is one of the 3 out of 4 who could do a better job of showing some of these ladies the respect they deserve, that this person will start to be a kinder, gentler (and possibly less physical) person you would benefit by seeing the same smile that I receive every minute I am with this little lady, or any little lady similar to her.

Believe me, the rewards are much greater than the effort it takes.

Good stuff

 

[SFMIKE]

sexyndnwoman

Very kind of you to say that. Thank you.

I put my whole heart into what I wrote because this is not the first time I have heard this type of thing from one of these little ladies. Without seeming too gushy, I believe that every person deserves to be treated with dignity and respect.

These ladies put themselves on the line for our pleasure. Surely there are better ways to tell them thank you than to just give them some money.

 

[Witty1]

My hope is that if at least one of the few who take the time to read this is influenced enough to take a look at himself and decide if he is one of the 3 out of 4 who could do a better job of showing some of these ladies the respect they deserve, that this person will start to be a kinder, gentler (and possibly less physical) person you would benefit by seeing the same smile that I receive every minute I am with this little lady, or any little lady similar to her.

Believe me, the rewards are much greater than the effort it takes.

Well said SFMIKE. I'm a new poster, been lurking a while, but I've seen your posts in the past.

You sir are to be commended, and it's a shame there's no repercussion for the assholes. It seems my first post about etiquette and how to handle a certain situation brought out a couple as well.

I've always wondered why a couple of the girls were always so appreciative of my attention. Three out of four pricks for those girls is absolutely appalling.

 

[dick slap]

How about a little reality check

There is no doubt the the world is full of abusive assholes but to say only '5 out of 20' are ok and the rest are abusive is a vague opinion.

Think about it; do pooners who go to micros and mp's 4 times more likely to treat an sp like shit? Probably not but we are supposed to believe that because one pooner heard this from one sp?

I think from what I read on this board that most pooners like women and are looking for a mutual good time. True not all are great guys but to believe 15 out of 20 are abusive assholes is obsurd.

DS

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

I think she is telling the truth. Don't forget, she is living up north, probably among rough miners and drunk natives.

Shouldn't you be out playing in traffic or something?

 

[50 Mile Radius]

There is no doubt the the world is full of abusive assholes but to say only '5 out of 20' are ok and the rest are abusive is a vague opinion.

Think about it; do pooners who go to micros and mp's 4 times more likely to treat an sp like shit? Probably not but we are supposed to believe that because one pooner heard this from one sp?

I think from what I read on this board that most pooners like women and are looking for a mutual good time. True not all are great guys but to believe 15 out of 20 are abusive assholes is obsurd.

DS

Hey guys, he does NOT make that assumption that 15 out of 20 are abusive, he just says that 5 out of 20 are "NICE"...see here:

JAfter having many discussions with her on this subject I finally posed a hypothetical (not the word I used as she would not understand it) question about, say, in a group of 20 customers, how many would treat her well. She responded, almost with tears in her eyes, "5".

SFMIKE, very good post.

It's something that has troubled me since finding this hobby. I hear the stories on here(perb), i hear the stories from some of the girls, and i read some of the less than complementary reviews(or should i say COMMENTS in the reviews that don't really need to be said)....

and I wonder "is it really worth the money these girls collect?", to go through all of it. To go through knocking on the door for the 2nd or 3rd time in the night, and not knowing who or what kind of drunk/stoned/abusive/disrespectful/obese guy is waiting on the other side. To go through not knowing if the phone will ring so she can make rent....to go through the "hiding"(for those that do hide it) from family and friends....i wonder, i really do....

AND ya MIKE, I wonder why the "15 out of 20" are rude or "not nice", i mean christ, it's FUCKING EASY TO BE NICE......it takes effort to be an asshole. You have to literally TRY to be a jerk, don't you? I guess some come by it naturally , i spose, but i just don't get it either

SFMIKE, beer's on me next time you're here!(that is, unless you're a GIANTS fan....in that case...kiss my ass )

 

[Quarter Mile'r]

50 you said it well, in my experiences with the girls I believe I may be
overly nice in some ways as knowing what abuses these girls sometimes
have to put up with really sickens me.

I have heard a number of stories from a few providers about being treated
rather nastily and when they do come across a pooner who treats them
like a gentleman they really appreciate it in there own way.

I suppose the nasty must stick out in there mind the most though and it
can show through how they provide services with future clients.
So guys if you who are reading this are one of those types that treats
the ladies with, shall we say, at little more than a bit of disrespect,
try putting the shoe on the other foot for just a minute and think of
what they have to go through.

You might shock yourself !!!! Or at least lets hope so!

Treat them well guys they are there for us to treat like ladies
even though we are paying for our fun, HELL YA THEY ARE HUMAN TOO!

BTW 50, I'm a Giants fan so does that mean the beers are off!

............QM'r

 

[hargow]

i'm confused why guys wouldn't want to be nice to the ladies. i mean, you're paying for their service, for god's sake, and they're probably going to do anything you ask them to, unless it's not on the menu, which if you're smart, you've figure that out ahead of time. what's not to be nice about?!

furthermore, the SP is likely to respond well to a pleasant customer, and in turn is either going to treat you as well (but probably better) than an unpleasant customer.

maybe i'm just being idealistic here? why do guys pay for GFE and not treat them like GFs? perhaps this is how they would like to treat their GFs. perhaps they've never had GFs that stuck around? most of my ex GFs are pretty nice ladies. for whatever reason, it didn't work out. but, i don't think any of them would say that i didn't treat them nicely. it just makes life easier, and seems i duno, normal?

re: the numbers, that's just one SPs opinion, and i have no doubt that if SFMike said it, the girl said it. i'd be interested in hearing what other SPs have to say, although i am sure most of them won't reply to this thread and say "hell yes 3/4 of you guys are pieces of shit," as it might ruin their business. however, if any of you SPs want to PM me your numbers, i'll tally them up in a week and reply to this thread the results (without listing any names of course). how many of us really are nice?

 

[Sonny]

Micros are also most likely to have the sex-slaves scenerio, like Prosper City, the dude just got busted. They take the girls passports after luring them from China with the promise of a restaurant job, the girls work for no pay and are kept under lock and key so they can't escape.

They speak a dialect not many understand so they can't comunicate and they are basically screwed. The mirco owners screen customers and try to keep it asian only so they don't get busted. This happenes alot more than we think it does, and customers don't give a shit so they can abuse the girl cause who's she gonna call. This is sad, no one should be forced to do this without their own free will and consent!

The CORRECT facts are that the person who was charged with human trafficing a year ago is MICHAEL NG, who was the owner of KING CITY ACCUPRESSURE & MASSAGE, formerly located on Kingsway. Human trafficing is a very dirty, malicious, inhuman, and predatory crime, and if found guilty, Michael Ng faces life in prison and a million dollar fine. Today was his second court appearance after a year, and there are apparently two former sex slaves who are to testify against him.

The present owner of Prosper City purchased the Main Street location 1 1/2 years ago and has NEVER had any connection with Michael Ng. Prosper then bought the Kingsway location over a year ago, prior to any knowledge of the charges against Michael Ng. Prosper City girls have ALWAYS worked there of their own free choosing, keep all the money they make, and go home to their apartments or families everyday after work. I am writing this on behalf of the owner of the two Prospers, as her written English is quite poor.

Addendum. The story on today's Global 6 pm news has inaccuracies. The reporter stated that someone with the last name Ng operates the Prosper City stores. Ten years ago a Ng (not Michael) operated the Prosper City store on Main. It has gone through four ownership changes in the past seven plus years with none of the owners being Ng or anyway connected with a Ng. The reporter who burst into the store appeared to try to associate Prosper with bad activity. The owner of Prosper is a Chinese woman with no connection at all to anyone named Ng. When Michael Ng was charged a year ago, Global aired a story with the correct facts, noting the change in ownership and non-association with the charges against Michael Ng. Too bad this year's reporter got it wrong, but a correction may air tomorrow.

 

[choe050]

Thank media for this ...

I can see how a high portion of guys treat girls poorly, just look how television and movies show their business. I mean two examples off the top of my head;
1. PRETTY WOMAN, dude from Seinfeld gets rough with Julia Roberts.
2. LEAVING LAS VEGAS, high school kids rape the actress.
That is the norm as far as media goes, and we have become a nation that is educated by media. Monkey see, monkey do ... just do not be a monkey and the world will be a better place.

 

[Sonny]

Now, as to how customers treat girls who work in MPs, I wager that many, if not most, of Perberts are nice to these gals, as most of the posts seem to have appreciation of the girls as women in addition to the services they provide.

That is not to say the same of many other customers. Girls have told me that it is not unusual for customers to treat them like pieces of meat, just for pounding away. Some customers have injured girls by their handling and aggressiveness; this is not to say that these customers are intentionally trying to harm the girls - they are just disconnected from them and accordingly are too rough.

Yes, the ladies are in it for the money, but, at the same time, most look at their work seriously, and want to offer a friendly attitude and provide a pleasurable experience and fantasy for their customers. Unfortunately, due to their clients' cultural-societal conditioning, immaturity, psychosis or plain ignorance, the girls' overtures are at times not met with common courtesy nor appreciation. Some MP locations may have a better collection of clients than others, so the ratio of good to bad is likely to vary from store to store. When asked the question, whatever ratio the girl responds with undoubtedly reflects her experience.

 

[hargow]

poll

Who can run a poll for SPs: what % of johns are nice: 10, 20, 30, ... etc... 100?
What % of johns are aholes: 10, 20, 30 ...

BUT IT'S ONE THING TO BE AN AHOLE. HELLL THERE'S GUYS ON MY BALL TEAM WHO ARE AHOLES. BUT HOW MANY ARE ABUSIVE? THAT IS - GO BEYOND YOUR PHYSICAL COMFORT LEVEL/HURT YOU? i hope it's very very very low but that might be a scary poll. anyway, we can't coordinate or conduct it, it wd hv to come fr sp.

yeah the reason we can't just conduct a poll normally is because then pooners could vote, which would skew numbers. that's why i offered, but no responses yet, so either no SPs on, or none interested in voicing (to me anyway).

 

[SFMIKE]

50 Mile

Good that you read what I wrote closely enough to see I did not say 15 out of 20 are abusive. Probably very few are abusive to these ladies, but there are different degrees of abuse. The term she uses mostly is "not very nice". It is simply that in the two weeks since I last saw this lady both she and her co-worker were injured.

However, I must take great exception to one "abusive" thing that you wrote. You implied that I might be a Giants fan, possibly by my handle. For you, I have one suggestion: look across the Bay. Monday-Wednesday the Yankees are in town and I shall be there. The Giants are for those who wish to be seen at the game, the A's fans are the true fans. So, looks like I will still collect that beer, eh?

Now along the same lines as the original intent of this thread. The situation I wrote about is much more likely to occur in a micro or AMP. Many of the ladies in these places are there simply because there might not be any other place for them, due to language, education, works status, etc. So, those customers who might tend to be a bit abusive know thay can get away with more because the owner is less likely to do anything about it.

Case in point: Last summer I met a very cute lady at my favorite micro. I was taken by her smile immediately and enjoyed a very nice hour with her. She has a very similar personality to the lady who is the subject of this thread. After my time with her I just hung around and later in the evening another customer went with her. About 20 minutes later she came out of the room and the customer left. She was a changed person and was visibly upset. I was able to talk her into another session where she finally opened up to me what had happened, with tears in her eyes, The jerk had removed the condom and forced himself inside. Enough said.

Afterwards she and I told the owner and his lack of caring surprised me. He said he is a regular customer. I told him that should not make any difference.

Fast forward to about 5 weeks ago, and I am back in the same place. This time only the owner and one SP were there. During the course of our conversation we got around to talking about this incident. The SP, with limited understanding, seemed to get the gist of our conversation. Then she and he got into a very heated argument which I could not understand.

As it turns, this very same customer had been there the night before with this girl and done the same thing. She could not believe that her boss would allow this guy back in, or at least warn her about him. His only response to all this was that he is a regular customer. Big friggin' deal.

 

[necko]

A Jerk

What constitutes being a jerk? The voilent assholes of the world of course, but if we are just trying to get the most for our money, are we? Jerks.

 

[necko]

If you KNOW what is going on in the micros and you are still going there, because they are cheap, yes, you are a jerk.

I don't go to the Microes, I prefer Indys, because of whats going on there jerk!

 

[Damaged]

...This is not simple abuse (as if that's ever simple anyway) but this is, flat out, a case of rape and should be considered and treated as such...

Interesting concept and I'm not saying I disagree but if we take what you say at face value then would the owner of the place be guilty of conspiracy to commit rape since he knows the guy will do this and still lets him book a session?
It also brings back an old hooker joke,
A hooker goes to the police station and advises the officer that she wants to file a report of rape.
The officer asks "when did this occur?"
She responds "a week ago."
The officer asks "why did you wait so long to report it?"
She answers "Well the cheque just bounced."

Sounds silly but really it was consensual with the condition that she was being paid. Once the payment wasn't there does that make it rape?
In this case the sex was consensual until he removed the condom so then it becomes rape?

Now before everyone flames me, let me state my position. I do not condone violence against woman. I think this guy needs to be taken out and beaten with a bat for forcing women to have unprotected sex. I also think the owner of the place needs to be beaten as well since he lets it continue to happen

 

[Steve McQueen]

News to me

I haven't been to micros and generally stick with the well advertised Mps or Escort Services or established Independents.

I have NEVER heard of this problem. I know some girls have commented on men who they would not repeat with but never heard of actual physical abuse.

I AM VERY SAD TO HEAR THIS!

 

[TheGuy]

For sure you can't tell!

I read a series of articles in GQ Magazine about the world sex slave market - it is huge. They said lots of places you go the girls are NOT locked up and they seem to have their freedom but in fact they are being so threatened or controlled that they would not run away. It is easy to say for these guy to say "ok leave, we will kill your family back home".

Since reading about this I would not go to a place where the girls are 'working under the table" I think it can be hard to know for certain. The other route is going with Indies - like Sabina. It is vlear to anyone that she runs her own business.

This business should be good for everyone. Pooners getting what they want, the girls getting what they want and no one getting hurt. Unfortunately, it is a business wear many get manipulated or forced into doing what they would do without the force.


The only way to be certain is to support established business that have a lot to loose by hiring illegals and established independents who are clearly in business for themselves.

It makes me sick to think that over the years I might have been with a girl (even for a rub and tug) who didn't choose to be there.

 

[Cock Throppled]

i'm confused why guys wouldn't want to be nice to the ladies. why do guys pay for GFE and not treat them like GFs?

Unfortunately, for some of these assholes, that's exactly how they do treat girlfriends.