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Global Warming Called Security Threat

Note that the report called “National Security and the Threat of Climate Change,” was commissioned by the Center for Naval Analyses, a government-financed research group, and written by a group of retired generals and admirals called the Military Advisory Board.


New York Times April 15, 2007

Global Warming Called Security Threat
By ANDREW C. REVKIN and TIMOTHY WILLIAMS

For the second time in a month, private consultants to the government are warning that human-driven warming of the climate poses risks to the national security of the United States.

A report, scheduled to be published on Monday but distributed to some reporters yesterday, said issues usually associated with the environment — like rising ocean levels, droughts and violent weather caused by global warming — were also national security concerns.

“Unlike the problems that we are used to dealing with, these will come upon us extremely slowly, but come they will, and they will be grinding and inexorable,” Richard J. Truly, a retired United States Navy vice admiral and former NASA administrator, said in the report.

The effects of global warming, the study said, could lead to large-scale migrations, increased border tensions, the spread of disease and conflicts over food and water. All could lead to direct involvement by the United States military.

The report recommends that climate change be integrated into the nation’s security strategies and says the United States “should commit to a stronger national and international role to help stabilize climate changes at levels that will avoid significant disruption to global security and stability.”

The report, called “National Security and the Threat of Climate Change,” was commissioned by the Center for Naval Analyses, a government-financed research group, and written by a group of retired generals and admirals called the Military Advisory Board.

In March, a report from the Global Business Network, which advises intelligence agencies and the Pentagon on occasion, concluded, among other things, that rising seas and more powerful storms could eventually generate unrest as crowded regions like Bangladesh’s sinking delta become less habitable.

One of the authors of the report, Peter Schwartz, a consultant who studies climate risks and other trends for the Defense Department and other clients, said the climate system, jogged by a century-long buildup of heat-trapping gases, was likely to rock between extremes that could wreak havoc in poor countries with fragile societies.

“Just look at Somalia in the early 1990s,” Mr. Schwartz said. “You had disruption driven by drought, leading to the collapse of a society, humanitarian relief efforts, and then disastrous U.S. military intervention. That event is prototypical of the future.”

“Picture that in Central America or the Caribbean, which are just as likely,” he said. “This is not distant, this is now. And we need to be preparing.”

Other recent studies have shown that drought and scant water have already fueled civil conflicts in global hot spots like Afghanistan, Nepal, and Sudan, according to several recent studies.

This bodes ill, given projections that human-driven warming is likely to make some of the world’s driest, poorest places drier still, experts said.

“The evidence is fairly clear that sharp downward deviations from normal rainfall in fragile societies elevate the risk of major conflict,” said Marc Levy of the Earth Institute at Columbia University, which recently published a study on the relationship between climate and civil war.

Given that climate models project drops in rainfall in such places in a warming world, Mr. Levy said, “It seems irresponsible not to take into account the possibility that a world with climate change will be a more violent world when making judgments about how tolerable such a world might be.”
 

sdw

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The solutions to Global Warming are our own

The massive governmental actions that seem to be what is demanded will work as well as any government action works.

The USA used to have local disaster management teams of volunteers. They got rid of them in favour of FEMA. FEMA has demonstrated how well that works each time they have had to respond. Even when they don't have a disaster to respond to, they demonstrate the state of their incompetence by wasting U$ 70 million of food. FEMA managed to demonstrate that even RMEs can be destroyed by the truly incompetent.

The UN had a Food for Oil program. We know how that worked. Now they want to administrate a Carbon Exchange. It doesn't take a genius to know how that will work. Especially since Exxon is a supporter of the Carbon Exchange idea.

The solutions to Global Warming are those that individuals can easily do themselves.

I just watched episode 69 of Myth Busters.

They tested the theory that it’s less expensive to leave lights on than to turn them off when you leave the room.

They tested:

Common Incandescent
These bulbs failed the fastest from being switched on/off every 2 minutes. However the start up electricity used is less than a second of running time.

Compact Florescent
These bulbs failed the second fastest from being switched on/off every 2 minutes. The start up electricity used is less than 1 tenth of a second of running time.

Florescent Tubes
These bulbs failed the third fastest from being switched on/off every 2 minutes. The start up electricity used is 23 seconds of running time.

LED Lights http://www.ccrane.com/lights/led-light-bulbs/index.aspx
These bulbs continued to work after 6 months of being switched on/off every 2 minutes. The start up electricity used is 1 one hundredth of a second of running time.

I’ve always found people that run around turning lights off to be annoying, it’s difficult to admit that they are right.

Now to get myself some LED lights and some motion detector light switches. http://www.goodmart.com/products/mot...r_switches.htm No governmental program needed, measurable benefits to my pocketbook and to the environment.

If the government wants to be involved, they don't need to spend any money. They just need to change a few laws.

Put road taxes on vehicles. Base the road tax on vehicle weight, engine displacement and area of use.

Make it expensive to bring a vehicle into the highly populated urban centers. Spend the road tax money on efficient transit to move people to work and back home.

Make it easy to use Solar panels to heat water and generate electricity. Al Gore just spent over 2 years fighting with his local council so that he could mount a few solar panels.
 

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http://video.google.com/videosearch... swindell &ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv


this video keeps getting pulled off google. now its in 9 parts, geeee i wonder y?


sdw taxes? lol taxes? lol taxes? do u know what the C.A.F.R. is? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5823209513192072459&q=cafr


and for your LOL taxes http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=freedom+to+fascism
The Global Swindle piece keeps getting pulled because the people who produced it keep demanding it's removal.

Also, most of the scientists that are quoted are on record as complaining about the "creative editing" of their statements.

You are perhaps not aware that most of what we pay at the pump is taxes? Or maybe you haven't realized that "Carbon Credits" are going to make most government boondoggles look like children's games without any benefit to our pocketbooks, the environment or future energy requirements.

It's far better to discourage the use of vehicles for the daily commute than any other initiative that we can involve ourselves in.

The fact that people continue to manufacturer and purchase SUVs is evidence that it will take economic incentives to change people's habits and desires.

We know that road taxes work. Europeans have used them for years. That's why European cars are so much smaller than American cars. It's why even transport trucks in Europe are so much smaller than what we use here.
 

citylover

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Its clearly not science admittedly so. Just common sense.
it's neither science nor common sense. it's just a blowhard.

However, it fits in well w/ the Exxon Disinformation Campaign you're so good at touting. If you could read you'd see each & every question has been answered, but you seem to like to waste our time by going over it over & over & over& over & over again...

I can't find some obscure blogger worried about "atheists" & "socialists" who's on the right side of Global Warming, but there is this, as cited above from another paper making further comments about the issue of human-driven global warming:

Global Warming a Security Risk
By SETH BORENSTEIN AP Science Writer
Published April 15, 2007, 7:48 AM CDT http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...39.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=3&cset=true

WASHINGTON -- Global warming poses a "serious threat to America's national security" with terrorism worsening and the U.S. will likely be dragged into fights over water and other shortages, top retired military leaders warn in a new report.

Joining calls already made by scientists and environmental activists, the retired U.S. military leaders, including the former Army chief of staff and President Bush's former chief Middle East peace negotiator, called on the U.S. government to make major cuts in emissions of gases that cause global warming.
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"We will pay for this one way or another," wrote Zinni, former commander of U.S. Central Command. "We will pay to reduce greenhouse gas emissions today, and we'll have to take an economic hit of some kind. Or we will pay the price later in military terms. And that will involve human lives. There will be a human toll."

Top climate scientists said the report makes sense and increased national security risk is a legitimate global warming side-effect.​

Note the article cited "Top climate scientists" praising the report, but they fail to say anything about dumbshit bloggers who are blowhards.

Damn, them socialist environmentalists have even infiltrated the military!

Oh, woe is us!

Are those the Green Helicopters I hear overhead?
 

sdw

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OMG am I responsible for Global Warming?

Or are the spin doctors getting ridiculous? This article claims that growing trees in Northern Climates causes Global Warming. As I have talked about before, I grow Christmas and Landscaping Trees as one of my business ventures.

http://adamant.typepad.com/seitz/2007/04/offset_upset.html

"Saving the tropical rain forest is well and good, for cutting down trees in the tropics means less long-term water transfer from soils to the atmosphere, leading to fewer clouds and a warmer planet. But planting trees where none exist in northern areas may actually hasten global warming. Northern tree plantations can trap heat -- they both absorb solar energy and shade sun reflecting snow. This, say the scientists, can apparently overpower the cooling effects of trees soaking up carbon dioxide and storing carbon in growing biomass. Take away the trees in the long-running climate model, and high latitude areas become 0.8° Celsius cooler by the year 2100, when compared to a standard model of North Woods forest density."
 

citylover

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OMG am I responsible for Global Warming?
Only to the extent that human flatulence leaving the top escape hole contributes to it
 

sdw

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Only to the extent that human flatulence leaving the top escape hole contributes to it
I went to give you negative pop points and discovered PERB doesn't have that feature.
 

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Quote:
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I went to give you negative kiddie points and discovered PERB doesn't have that feature.
... and that... is the most convenient truth of all


... ya, citylover - now that the military's on board... we'll git er done - semper gratus!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/15/us...64b&ei=5087

I went to give you negative pop points and discovered PERB doesn't have that feature.
lol, you can't post an honest quote?
 

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yep, there goes the ozone layer! & my bullshit detector is going CRAZEEEEEE!

Over here on PERB they can tell who's a follish poster by looking for the letters "sdw" in the handle
 

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if a politician is pushing something?

you will never get any real scientists to agree on anything, this issue is not an exception, http://www.iceagenow.com/ it wasn't long ago that the big fear mongering was an ice age coming.
and frankly, when politicians stand up and pat themselves on the back for being so very green, they are often lying through their teeth :eek: about what they are pushing. i know politicians don't lie but it is true.
i have witnessed first hand how this works, politicians scoring big points but lying to do it, describing situations i have been watching from the front row, and the politician were saying what they thought would get them the most mileage. oh and lets not think that the big green organizations are not money hungry politically driven monsters. the ends justify the means and all. :mad:
we [the world] has many problems but having many self serving organizations splitting up resources( money, manpower) none of the real problems will get fixed.
 

Quarter Mile'r

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we [the world] has many problems but having many self serving organizations splitting up resources( money, manpower) none of the real problems will get fixed.
That's why there is no such thing as good government anymore.

Money and power, what ever happened to governing FOR the people
who voted them in.
Yah I know, I'm living in a dream world.........case closed. :rolleyes:


............QM'r
 

citylover

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you will never get any real scientists to agree on anything, this issue is not an exception,


Do you not read anything at all, or do you just nor read how this has been answered several times on this thread alone?

Ostriches will never get it
 
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