An Inconvenient Truth

[Randy Whorewald]

CLover you don't know dick about the subject. You just keep on citing exxon, commies, company line etc. Where are your facts?

Did you know that:

Open Kyoto to debate Sixty scientists call on Harper to revisit the science of global warming Special to the Financial Post
Thursday, April 06, 2006

An open letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper:

Dear Prime Minister:

As accredited experts in climate and related scientific disciplines, we are writing to propose that balanced, comprehensive public-consultation sessions be held so as to examine the scientific foundation of the federal government's climate-change plans. This would be entirely consistent with your recent commitment to conduct a review of the Kyoto Protocol. Although many of us made the same suggestion to then-prime ministers Martin and Chretien, neither responded, and, to date, no formal, independent climate-science review has been conducted in Canada. Much of the billions of dollars earmarked for implementation of the protocol in Canada will be squandered without a proper assessment of recent developments in climate science.

Observational evidence does not support today's computer climate models, so there is little reason to trust model predictions of the future. Yet this is precisely what the United Nations did in creating and promoting Kyoto and still does in the alarmist forecasts on which Canada's climate policies are based. Even if the climate models were realistic, the environmental impact of Canada delaying implementation of Kyoto or other greenhouse-gas reduction schemes, pending completion of consultations, would be insignificant. Directing your government to convene balanced, open hearings as soon as possible would be a most prudent and responsible course of action.

While the confident pronouncements of scientifically unqualified environmental groups may provide for sensational headlines, they are no basis for mature policy ...

link:

http://epw.senate.gov/pressitem.cfm?party=rep&id=265691

 

[Damaged]

Randy,

You commie loving bastard. I hope Exxon is giving you some for the bullshit that you spread or at least giving a courtesty spit prior to bending you over.


Jeez, I can sound just like Citylover. It's so easy. Why bother with a proper debate when you can spew crap like that so easy, plus it saves time having to read all of the facts.

oh yeah I forgot a few "y'alls" so I totally sound like an inbred.

 

[sdw]

ISPM Report - 64 pages

As the ISPM report clearly illustrates, global climate change is a fact. What is in dispute is what causes it and if there is a solution.

ISPM report: http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/ISPM.pdf

This report can hardly be concidered the product of a bunch of left-wing dingbats. The report is distributed by the Fraser Institude.

The report was peer reviewed by 55 scientists and they are listed on page 55 of the report.

One interesting thing is on pages 10 and 11. There appears to be a direct connection between the rate of population growth and the rate of increase in atmospheric CO2.

 

[rollerboy]

As the ISPM report clearly illustrates, global climate change is a fact. What is in dispute is what causes it and if there is a solution.

The Earth's climate varies on most timescales. We're presently in an interglacial warm period. The last million years has been dominated by cold temperatures and advancing glaciers. Approximately every 100k years, the Earth thaws for ~20-40k years. The last Ice Age ended 18000 years ago, and the Earth has been warming since, but not in a steady advance. During the "Medieval Warm Period," the Vikings established settlements in Greenland, which the "Little Ice Age" later forced them to abandon. "The Little Ice Age" lasted for centuries, ultimately broken in the 19th century by a warming trend which continued until the 1940's. At that point scientists noticed it, and began to worry about global warming.

The Earth started to cool in the 40's, and by the 1970's, prominent scientists such as Stephen Schneider wrote books about the "Global Cooling" and the impending Ice Age. As if on cue, Earth began to warm again, and Prof Schneider is now a major expert on "Global Warming." Satellite data shows no significant global warming trend since the late 90's.

The energy output of the Sun varies on all time scales. The mean increases by about 10% per billion years, which will eventually fry the Earth. Sunspot activity modulates solar radiance, the "Little Ice Age" resulting from a period of little to no sunspot activity. Solar physicists say that the Sun's output is presently at the highest level in 1000 years.

The orbit, eccentricity, and orientation of the Earth are changing, etc. etc.

It's been said that "It is easier to change the weather, than predict it." The horizon of computational weather prediction is 2 weeks, and it comes as no surprise that Chaos Theory emerged from (among other places) attempts to understand atmospheric physics.

 

[mick_eight]

The vikings also settled in Newfoundland 1500 years before Columbus found it.They left because of harsh winters, which is still true

 

[luckydog71]

I have not read the 42 pages of posts so maybe someone has already said this.

Gore, Sarandon and all of the Hollywood chatter boxes complaining about man causing global warming.

Stop flying around in your private jets before you start to lecture me on what I need to give up.

 

[citylover]

Yeah, you've said it... several times... on any political thread (including this one) that reveals your bias &/or ignorance (hard to tell the difference)... including this one

What's his concern?

Not all the corporate private jets being used to fly bigwigs to the Super Bowl

Not the rich corporate board types flying to the Bahamas & Switzerland to launder their money

Not the done-home-good-ol'-boys using gov't welfare to make SUVs more affordable

Not the behavior of the cultist, right wing,pro-bug business media outlets like the Washington Times, Cato Institute, the Exxon money awards, the undermining of science for the interest of profit

Not the business interests banding together for a multi-million dollar disinformation campaign not seen since the likes of Big Tobacco declared cigs safe for your children

Just some Hollywood types that don't agree w/ this ideologues values. How 'bout Chuck Norris, Bruce Willis, Charlton Heston, Clint Eastwood & the other hollywood rightists that fly their private jets to the Republican Party convention? They don't cause the problem, just the ones you hate

*snicker* these guys must think we're as dumb as they are to expect us to swallow their corporate line

I have not read the 42 pages of posts so maybe someone has already said this.

Gore, Sarandon and all of the Hollywood chatter boxes complaining about man causing global warming.

Stop flying around in your private jets before you start to lecture me on what I need to give up.

 

[luckydog71]

Citylover.... I think you missed my point... It is the hypocrisy of those who breach to me not to drive my SUV while they fly in their jets.

I know lots do it.... I am sure Chuck is one of them.... but he has never tried to convince me to park my SUV.

Does that help you understand my point better or am I still displaying my ignorance?

Heaven knows if I have an opinion different than yours that makes me ignorant.

 

[citylover]

Citylover.... I think you missed my point... It is the hypocrisy of those who breach to me not to drive my SUV while they fly in their jets.

I think you're talking about the hypocrisy of those pious ideologues who have to stoop as low as possible to simply bash a group for ideological reasons while they gleefully contribute to a problem.

A problem that they deny exists because they've swallowed the Big Oil PR campaign of disinformation. But I can hardly expect you to think for yourself, or to actually think, can I? You're too comfortable spouting out BS like a true Dittohead Druggie (or O'Reilly Falafel Mouth?)

oh yeah I forgot a few "y'alls" so I totally sound like an inbred.

Are you always this offensive or just when you spout off about stuff you know nothing about? Inbred is as inbred does, I guesses.


But, for the benefit of those tuning in, let me succinctly recap the argument of those who deny global warming (sorta like denying that the earth moves around the sun or that 2+2=4) -- "DUH, cain't be no global warming, it still gets cold wheres I lives in da winter time."

 

[CalgaryPooner]

I think you're talking about the hypocrisy of those pious ideologues who have to stoop as low as possible to simply bash a group for ideological reasons while they gleefully contribute to a problem.

A problem that they deny exists because they've swallowed the Big Oil PR campaign of disinformation. But I can hardly expect you to think for yourself, or to actually think, can I? You're too comfortable spouting out BS like a true Dittohead Druggie (or O'Reilly Falafel Mouth?)




Are you always this offensive or just when you spout off about stuff you know nothing about? Inbred is as inbred does, I guesses.


But, for the benefit of those tuning in, let me succinctly recap the argument of those who deny global warming (sorta like denying that the earth moves around the sun or that 2+2=4) -- "DUH, cain't be no global warming, it still gets cold wheres I lives in da winter time."

Earth get warm, earth cool down. Earth get warm, earth cool down. This goes on and on and on and on and on.

Why is it humans always think that their contributions are so relevant to natural events? The earth has been a lot hotter in the past and a lot cooler. We are on a statistically observant warming trend that is not as rapid as many in the past but may just as abruptly become a cooling trend that invokes the next age of ice.

Should we adjust? Yes. Should we take all the credit/blame? No more than we caused that last few volcanos to erupt, tsunamis to occur or tornados to develop.

Those who take a morally superior stand on issues where natural trends are at play are curious creatures. Perhaps not feeling important enough in their own lives they find something to attach their irrelevance to in a hope to become something, anything.

I see that a lot in the sky if falling group. Just remember, the hockey stick is real and the fudged data used in Rio is false. Proven.

Getting warmer. Yes. We doing it? NO ONE KNOWS. We might be contributing but not as much as soapboxers say.

 

[wangster88]

this movie is shockingly true! i am soo afraid of the later generations!
we have to do something people!

 

[luckydog71]

But, for the benefit of those tuning in, let me succinctly recap the argument of those who deny global warming (sorta like denying that the earth moves around the sun or that 2+2=4) -- "DUH, cain't be no global warming, it still gets cold wheres I lives in da winter time."

CL just two questions-

Who is denying the earth is warming?

Are you always drunk when you post?

 

[rollerboy]

Earth get warm, earth cool down. Earth get warm, earth cool down. This goes on and on and on and on and on.

Why is it humans always think that their contributions are so relevant to natural events? The earth has been a lot hotter in the past and a lot cooler. We are on a statistically observant warming trend that is not as rapid as many in the past but may just as abruptly become a cooling trend that invokes the next age of ice.

Should we adjust? Yes. Should we take all the credit/blame? No more than we caused that last few volcanos to erupt, tsunamis to occur or tornados to develop.

Those who take a morally superior stand on issues where natural trends are at play are curious creatures. Perhaps not feeling important enough in their own lives they find something to attach their irrelevance to in a hope to become something, anything.

I see that a lot in the sky if falling group. Just remember, the hockey stick is real and the fudged data used in Rio is false. Proven.

Getting warmer. Yes. We doing it? NO ONE KNOWS. We might be contributing but not as much as soapboxers say.

Weather is stupendously difficult to predict.

All scientifically educated people know this. The general public has been sold a bill of goods about the predictability of climate change. What "might happen" is certainly important, but determining the long term future of the Earth's climate is beyond computation at this point in time. All we have are models and scenarios, and the current warming trend. Global warming was not easy to detect. By comparison, the Mt. Pinatubo eruption produced a readily detectable climate response.

Even a small unknown influence, or error in our assumptions or data, could produce cascading errors which would derail a forecast meant to span centuries.

Would Congress have scheduled political grandstanding hearings on "Global Warming," had they known an ice storm was headed their way? Climate scientists cannot reliably predict weather even two weeks in advance.

 

[nube]

Jeese this global warming is pissing me off...the snow in my yard is just about all gone, and there is this yukky brown color under it...happens every damn year too

 

[citylover]

All scientifically educated people know this.

The statement "Everybody knows [fill in the blank]" to counter science, facts, and experts is usually followed by the most inane drivel that only a knuckle dragging neanderthal could believe... & then only if it's expressed in words of one syllable.

"Facts don't matter, the scientific method don't exist, and I want my SUV cheap! So YOU pay for my lifestly, mutha!" if I may paraphrase the level of argument from the hopelessly deluded.

EXXON: We don't care, we don't have to care, we're EXXON

 

[Avery]

The statement "Everybody knows [fill in the blank]" to counter science, facts, and experts is usually followed by the most inane drivel that only a knuckle dragging neanderthal could believe... & then only if it's expressed in words of one syllable.

Way to lift things out of context! Here's how that quote should read:

Weather is stupendously difficult to predict. All scientifically educated people know this.

What's wrong with saying that? Even the great unwashed, monosyllabic, grunting Neanderthals know it to be true.

 

[citylover]

More red herrings & disinformation from the Exxon PR campaign, as transmitted thru them criminals "Crank" Limbaugh (crank the drug, not just crank the attitude), Falafel O'Reilly, & their unthinking minions.

Why think when we can let Big Oil tell us what to do, ehhhh?

White House Unveils Global Warming PR Campaign

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Source: Los Angeles Times, February 11, 2007
"In recent days, White House officials have made a special effort to argue that [President] Bush has always been concerned about climate change," reports the Los Angeles Times. An open letter from John Marburger of the Office of Science and Technology Policy and James Connaughton of the Council on Environmental Quality claims that "climate change has been a top priority since the president's first year in office." The letter quotes selectively from a June 2001 Bush speech, omitting parts where he sought to minimize the human impact by stating, "We do not know how much effect natural fluctuations in climate may have." Environmentalists point out that Bush reneged on a 2000 campaign pledge to reduce power plant emissions, and withdrew from the Kyoto Protocol in 2001. The oil giant ExxonMobil is also greenwashing itself, reports the Washington Post. While company reports still claim it is "difficult to determine objectively the extent to which recent climate change might be the result of human actions," Exxon spokespeople are now asserting, "The appropriate debate isn't on whether the climate is changing but rather should be on what we should be doing about it."


EXXON, showing that when their "global warming don't exist" campaign is met only w/ laughter, changes to a campaign of "lets muck things up to keep from doing anything that touches our profits."

Sorry, I just couldn't find any obscure & mystical cyrillic sources to cite for the intelligence impaired.

 

[citylover]

Couldn't resist... altho I thought it was quite misleading to imply these right wing stooges actually have working brains...


The great right wing brain glitch of 2007

 

[Rod Steel]

More red herrings & disinformation from the Exxon PR campaign, as transmitted thru them criminals "Crank" Limbaugh (crank the drug, not just crank the attitude), Falafel O'Reilly, & their unthinking minions.

Why think when we can let Big Oil tell us what to do, ehhhh?

White House Unveils Global Warming PR Campaign

&

Source: Los Angeles Times, February 11, 2007
"In recent days, White House officials have made a special effort to argue that [President] Bush has always been concerned about climate change," reports the Los Angeles Times. An open letter from John Marburger of the Office of Science and Technology Policy and James Connaughton of the Council on Environmental Quality claims that "climate change has been a top priority since the president's first year in office." The letter quotes selectively from a June 2001 Bush speech, omitting parts where he sought to minimize the human impact by stating, "We do not know how much effect natural fluctuations in climate may have." Environmentalists point out that Bush reneged on a 2000 campaign pledge to reduce power plant emissions, and withdrew from the Kyoto Protocol in 2001. The oil giant ExxonMobil is also greenwashing itself, reports the Washington Post. While company reports still claim it is "difficult to determine objectively the extent to which recent climate change might be the result of human actions," Exxon spokespeople are now asserting, "The appropriate debate isn't on whether the climate is changing but rather should be on what we should be doing about it."


EXXON, showing that when their "global warming don't exist" campaign is met only w/ laughter, changes to a campaign of "lets muck things up to keep from doing anything that touches our profits."

Sorry, I just couldn't find any obscure & mystical cyrillic sources to cite for the intelligence impaired.

How often are you going to repeat this crap? Do you even know what the f**k you're talking about? The earth has been warming & cooling since long before humans or even Exxon were here. It will still be doing it long after we're gone. How many times do people here have to tell you that? This thread has over 220 posts and a lot of them are yours, just about all your posts insult any other posters who don't agree with your twisted opinions. What gives? Anger management problems?

Grab a clue man!!

 

[H.Miller]

Pooning

VV started this interminable thread and hasn't said a damn thing since-- somehow I think she likes disturbing shit, and I'm just hoping she might end it, so we can all get on with more important business--- namely pooning.