AMPs vs. Western-style MPs —different strokes for different folks?

tantalizeme

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Had to start a new thread on this—the other got too messy, with all the moralizing.

Are Western erotic massage parlors morally superior to AMPs?
No one is 'forcing' but everyone is cashing in on the fact that these girl's have limited other options. Plain and simple, we can debate it until we're all blue in the face and nothing will change this simple fact: this is to your advantage, not these girls and if they had a choice or other options they would, like the rest of other sp's, work 1/2 as much to end up with the same amount of money they need to send back to their families.
One of the most sparkling intellects on PERB, Ms*Jewel is certainly entitled to her perspective—though I remain unconvinced that Western MPs (or classy indys like her) can claim the moral high ground. In my view, morality is about respecting people's real choices in the real world—not choices they would have made if poverty weren't rampant in Asia and elsewhere.

When I think of the teeming billions scraping along in abject squalor, I can't help thinking that Asian women getting to shag guys like me in Canadian AMPs, admittedly for a relative pittance, are the privileged ones. This is what they're used to doing; it's not backbreaking work or often even a healthy workout; and they all tell me they love to be busy—rather than sitting around all week waiting for a client.

Of course we'd all love to be able to do half the work for twice the pay—but much as I love sex, 45 minutes of it simply isn't worth much more to me (and many pooners) than $$ max. So I don't see that I would alleviate the economic lot of Asian SPs by not availing myself of their (often amazing) services. I poon in part to rid myself of the irrational shame and guilt instilled by my anti-sex upbringing, and I'll be damned if I let anyone inflict a moral guilt trip on me for frequenting AMPs.

Back to my original question: What keeps so many low-mileage Western-style MPs in business?
Personally I can see 5 types of pooners going to Western MPs:
1. Those (very few, I suspect) with irrational moral scruples about AMPs
2. Quite a few more with concerns about healthwise unsafe practices at AMPs
3. A lot of newbies and other naïve pooners who don’t know their options.
4. Rich guys (or wannabies) who just love the snob appeal of being with "elite companions"
5. When I recently discussed this with an Indo-Canadian friend, his answer was: “Ethnic men.”

He said, “For many Asian, African and South American man, entering a beautiful white woman’s body is a fantasy come true. It’s not mainly about good sex, it’s the fulfillment of a long-standing obsession—almost a kind of symbolic revenge for the colonialism, oppression, insecurity and inferiority feelings instilled in them by the dominance of the white race.”

Wow. That’s his opinion.

Whether he’s right or not, I say different strokes for different folks. If you want frenzied action with an Asian, go to one of the better AMPs (e.g. Prosper, Rainbow, Angel, Swan Lake). If you want a picture-perfect non-Asian—and don’t mind rather lame, clinical sex—go to a Western MP, like Swedish Touch, Spa Sensuous, BBC, Temptations, Great Pharaoh, Cloud 9 or L’Merage.

Another interesting question: Why the difference between Asian and Caucasian providers in (generalizing here) providing hot vs. lame sex?
Here’s what I’d guess is a key part of the explanation—disagree if you want.

Western women, raised in a culture that associates shame and guilt with sex (and especially non-monogamous sex), tend to consider access to their genitals to be a big deal that becomes morally charged. This leads to inhibitions and motivates attempts to make men jump through hoops.

Asian women are far more likely to see their genitals as just another useful body part for earning a living, by giving men a bit of euphoria and relaxation, that’s all. In fact, they often (seem to) allow themselves to get turned on too. And that kind of attitude helps put men at ease. It's a sense of a woman's pleasure and arousal that stimulates many men's arousal like nothing else—and the kind of restrictions and upselling going on at Western-style massage spas isn't conducive to maximum stimulation.

Just my humble point of view.:)
 

chris2008

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wow...all I can say is that the reality of what a pooner sees and the reality of what goes out in society is so far from each other.
 

Miss*Bijou

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When I think of the teeming billions scraping along in abject squalor, I can't help thinking that Asian women getting to shag guys like me in Canadian AMPs, admittedly for a relative pittance, are the privileged ones. This is what they're used to doing; it's not backbreaking work or often even a healthy workout; and they all tell me they love to be busy—rather than sitting around all week waiting for a client.


When you think of women or children working in sweat shops somewhere in India. Do you think..... These women in India who get to make my shorts or my socks, admittedly for a relative pittance, are the privileged ones...? And are you satisfied that however tiny their income or poor their working conditions might be, at least they're making some money in a country where many others are not making any at or cannot find any jobs? This makes you feels like buying these specific socks means that you are helping these women? Think about it....

(And btw, Yes, it's long and boring sitting there waiting for clients but if they were seeing half that amount of clients and still making the same income, do you think they'd sit around waiting for more? I'm quite sure they would manage to find things to occupy their free time, should they have more. Come on now.. )



Of course we'd all love to be able to do half the work for twice the pay—but much as I love sex, 45 minutes of it simply isn't worth much more to me (and many pooners) than $$ max.


I can understand your point...... but who is this about? These girls?... or is this about your needs and your budget? :confused:

While you are certainly entitled 100% to your own beliefs, morals or decisions, it seems like this is the #1 motivation for pooners and that a lot about the situation is somewhat embellished in order for your decision to still feel like it's morally acceptable (based on your own morals, I'm not talking about my or anyone else's morals.. just your own).

While I think your view is a little naive and self serving, if you believe that you are not crossing any moral lines (again, your own morals and not someone else's), then I'm not going to force my morals onto you.... but I am (I have) going to share them with you as well as what I feel is more of an objective take on the situation. The bottom line is, if you're comfortable with your choices, then that's that. But I feel that what you are doing is selectively picking reasons that make you feel like really, what you are doing is helping. IMO it's self serving and it's based on a tunnel vision view.. not based on the big picture.



Back to my original question: What keeps so many low-mileage Western-style MPs in business?
Personally I can see 5 types of pooners going to Western MPs:
1. Those (very few, I suspect) with irrational moral scruples about AMPs
2. Quite a few more with concerns about healthwise unsafe practices at AMPs
3. A lot of newbies and other naïve pooners who don’t know their options.
4. Rich guys (or wannabies) who just love the snob appeal of being with "elite companions"
5. When I recently discussed this with an Indo-Canadian friend, his answer was: “Ethnic men.”


I think there are many men who find the language barrier too significant to enjoy or be tempted by visiting AMP's.

And as far as your first point is concerned, I think you can imagine I don't quite agree with you there :) , as I think there are definitely more than very few who choose not to support these kinds of places. Whether your personal opinion is that these are 'irrational' moral scruples to have is not really relevant here, as morals are neither rational nor irrational... they just are. We all have our own, and that's what motivates our decisions and actions, in order to continue to be able to look at ourselves in the mirror at the end of the day. There's nothing here that can be qualified as rational or irrational... they are just different from one person to the next, not irrational. ;)



Another interesting question: Why the difference between Asian and Caucasian providers in (generalizing here) providing hot vs. lame sex?
Here’s what I’d guess is a key part of the explanation—disagree if you want.

Western women, raised in a culture that associates shame and guilt with sex (and especially non-monogamous sex), tend to consider access to their genitals to be a big deal that becomes morally charged. This leads to inhibitions and motivates attempts to make men jump through hoops.

Asian women are far more likely to see their genitals as just another useful body part for earning a living, by giving men a bit of euphoria and relaxation, that’s all. In fact, they often (seem to) allow themselves to get turned on too. And that kind of attitude helps put men at ease. It's a sense of a woman's pleasure and arousal that stimulates many men's arousal like nothing else—and the kind of restrictions and upselling going on at Western-style massage spas isn't conducive to maximum stimulation.


I think that is an unbelievably inaccurate generalization... There are countless caucasian providers with excellent reviews and who clearly enjoy what they do. I know you're speaking of your experiences at Massage parlours and I can't comment on that as I've never worked or been to any, but I think that perhaps the reason might be that the girls working in these MP's do not enjoy what they're doing...? And that working in an environment which tolerates it, (most likely due to the difficulty in finding better replacement staff) is what may result in their poor attitude and service and NOT that they are western women or caucasian? Could that maybe explain it a little more accurately?


What would happen, for example, to a girl who provided poor service or had far too many restrictions in an AMP? I'm willing to bet she wouldn't be around for very long, correct?..... Far more disposable and very easily replaceable, isn't she? I bet there are 20 more waiting to take her place and that she's very aware of it, isn't she. That'd be a good motivation to keep everyone happy, wouldn't it?..... It has absolutely nothing to do with feelings, attitudes or views on sexuality! ! ! If the supply of western women willing to work in a massage parlour is lower than the demand, these MP's cant really be too strict and the girls know the situation is to their advantage. If on the other hand, the supply of asian girls willing to come here to work at AMP's is very high, which it seems to be, this places these girls in a situation that isn't as advantageous and one where logically they'll be likely to have to accept whatever the conditions are, and make sure everyone is happy. Survival sex work...


I'm obviously not saying that your complaints about services and providers at MP's are not valid, if this is what you've experienced, they are certainly valid and the situation not acceptable... but all of this has nothing to do with attitudes towards sex. In all honesty, I really think you're seeing the situation with blinders on.. I'm really not going to start preaching, and of course you're all free to do whatever you want with your money, but I really feel that at the very least, you should make that decision based on reality and what the deal really is here... not based on what you want to make yourself believe so that you do not feel any moral responsibility here (still based on your own personal morals). Be realistic about it, and if you're cool with this.. then have a blast.

But right now you are a little bit in fantasy land IMHO.
 

Miss*Bijou

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I think that some of the readers are confusing amps with the micros. The myth of the amp worker being exploited with a large debt to pay is just plain false.

I think that could very well be true..
Can you (or someone) please briefly explain the differences between the 2.. I'm curious. :)
 

ChineseDude

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Movies on Prostitution in reference to the Chinese culture:


Fruit Chan's Durian Durian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durian_Durian
No storyline, depicts the reality of a sex worker's life in HK. Its extremely boring with 2 parts, one when she's working, the other when she goes back to the Mainland.


Blind Shaft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_shaft
Describes the problems of new found capitalism in China, leading to the lack of moral values. Massive influx of cons, prostitutes, thieves, all things regarding hell bound traffickers .
 

Thais

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My first experiences in this industry were at a Western AMP in Ontario. Overall, it wasn't a very happy place. Some were genuine, some delivered great service, some were jaded, some fit the stereotype of past abuse.

I was glad to leave. I worked part-time while in my last year of University, usually - no more than 2 clients a shift or a couple of shifts a week. The most I ever saw in a day - it only happened once - were 4. And yet, it felt exhausting. The fact that you have practically no control over who comes in, and while half the guys were genuinely nice, the other half made me feel like meat and I didn't like the feeling.

But I am also Eastern European and, like those Asian girls, I come from a collectivist culture. If my family needed money that my official education cannot provide- I'd do it. I'd work the same way. I'd see 8 guys a day, if necessary for a long time. And since I am a warm and open person, and I do enjoy sex - I'd probably have the same attitude the Asian girls are praised for. Cheerful, open. Because life is so much harder for many others, because you should still smile and laugh about it, because you - a single and individual you - don't matter as much when it comes to the well-being of the people you care about. I have no idea what working like this would do to me, but given my existing experiences it probably wouldn't be good. But I can also guarantee that if my family depended on my performance - you wouldn't be able to tell. And it's not even lying, it's just... omitting; only showing the positive side to others. While being left - most likely, alone - to deal with the negatives.

I've been reading a lot on trafficking from the sex work rights movement and the figures in the media seem to be exaggerrated. I believe only a small minority is actually trafficked. The rest - Asian girls in the micros, Eastern Europeans in German brothels - come because they choose to. Because they want a chance at a better life, and because of how much money they can send back to their families. I totally agree with Bijou - they know they are replaceable. They make their choice. Just don't delude yourself into thinking it translates into wanting to fuck 8 guys a day.
 
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