Advice: Reference Checks

[carvesg]

At no point whatsoever have I claimed or implied such a thing. If you can point me to where I have I'll be more than happy to apologize for the misunderstanding. I have even stated at several occasions " to each their own".
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Just reread what I outlined from your own quote about the vast majority .

 

[zippy45]

The vast number of pooners in this thread are men who have absolutely no concept of danger women have to navigate in the world every single day which is significantly amplified when they do sex work. Every time they take a new client, they are quite literally risking their lives to do their job. What are you honestly risking when you are submitting your ID to a well reviewed and established provider? Because they’re risking their entire business, livelihood and reputation if they out you.
Providing your name to the person whose body you are literally going to be inside seems like the bare minimum. Your worst fear is what? Damaging your reputation? Theirs is being murdered. Don’t act like that’s the same, and stop gaslighting Charlee telling her she’s overreacting. She’s not, and she’s got the lived experience to back it up.

As I replied to Charlee earlier, the OP never said it was a well reviewd or established provider, I will guess we can all agree there are different rules for different providers. and sometimes outing a client can be very damaging for the client, where from what I have read on here many of the ladies are allready outed by choice, if that makes any sense

 

[kd75]

At no point whatsoever have I claimed or implied such a thing. If you can point me to where I have I'll be more than happy to apologize for the misunderstanding. I have even stated at several occasions " to each their own".

Just reread what I outlined from your own quote about the vast majority .
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I sent this message at the beginning of the thread before you participated when only 4, 5 people had participated and only person was disagreeing ( Charlee). So obviously I was talking about the people who had participated at the time it was published.

 

[zippy45]

Just reread what I outlined from your own quote about the vast majority .

I sent this message at the beginning of the thread before you participated when only 4, 5 people had participated and only person was disagreeing ( Charlee). So obviously I was talking about the people who had participated at the time it was published.
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I am gonna say the vast majority of men who have sex with Vancouver SW;s have never even heard of PERB

 

[kd75]

The vast number of pooners in this thread are men who have absolutely no concept of danger women have to navigate in the world every single day which is significantly amplified when they do sex work. Every time they take a new client, they are quite literally risking their lives to do their job. What are you honestly risking when you are submitting your ID to a well reviewed and established provider? Because they’re risking their entire business, livelihood and reputation if they out you.
Providing your name to the person whose body you are literally going to be inside seems like the bare minimum. Your worst fear is what? Damaging your reputation? Theirs is being murdered. Don’t act like that’s the same, and stop gaslighting Charlee telling her she’s overreacting. She’s not, and she’s got the lived experience to back it up.

You're a bit of the scope of the thread here my friend. The SW aren't the topic here. The question was ( and I'm paraphrasing) is it safe for pooners to send ID to SW? And you're talking about is it safe for SW, but that's not the question here, thats another debate. The subject here is pooners, so I dont see how the experience of SW is relevant to this specific question, thats another topic in itself. Moreover I didn't gaslighted her ( she stated herself that she was aggressive towards me, which I had no problem with). To finish I am going to say the same as I told Charlee ( apparently you haven't read all my posts which you should've done before reacting), I am not about to debate about whos safer or whos the least prone to being victimized between SW and pooners, this was never the topic in the first place and I would never enter into such a debate since all I want is safety for all. So please leave me out of your comparison, this is not a competition.

 

[kd75]

I sent this message at the beginning of the thread before you participated when only 4, 5 people had participated and only person was disagreeing ( Charlee). So obviously I was talking about the people who had participated at the time it was published.

I am gonna say the vast majority of men who have sex with Vancouver SW;s have never even heard of PERB
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wrong quote you got me lost lol

 

[awesome1966]

Unfortunately there are a lot of scams going on and it’s both ways. Guys are being robbed and women are being hurt. Any Escort has the right to protect themselves it is their perogative and their right. Escort services need to be made legal in Canada for everyone’s protection. It is a legitimate business. It is two consenting adults that mutually agree to have companionship at a cost. Escorts should be legally registered with a licensed number like an RMT for the clients protection. People who use their services need to be vetted somehow. The law is outdated and causes harm on both sides. But I know how this gentleman feels. The potential of blackmail is there. People can turn on people. Both of You have the right not to see each other if you don’t like the process. All of us may be harmless but there are a lot of idiots out there and it’s on both sides. Everyone needs to be careful and hopefully the law changes. I don’t use escort services anymore. If I was able to find one escort: I would rather meet and have her as my sugar baby and meet with them once or twice a month for intimacy. Meeting in this situation is the safest. Before meeting each other for intimacy you meet in a public place and have a conversation and a vetting session. It may be one or two or three meetings. Call it the interview. Then if you trust each other you have established a relationship for companionship. Most businesses ask for background checks before they hire an employee if the initial interviews were successful. Both then reciprocate each others information once the hiring agreement is in place. Just be careful on both sides. There is no right or wrong answer.

 

[eclipca]

Holy shit what happened??? I was away for a few hours lol....

OK just to clarify a few points... the girl I'm interested in is a reputable provider who advertises on Tryst. She is located in the USA and her screening process is very strict. She requires reputable providers who have websites AND reviews on TER and/or P411. A couple of the girls I see like I said do not advertise and only sees regulars so they won't meet the requirements. The other girls I see who are reputable and have websites etc. are Canada based and don't have much on TER or P411 so again they don't meet the threshold.

After thinking about it some more, I decided not to share my ID. My choice and I'm not saying everyone should do the same as me. What made my decision was simple. I want to be cautious and refrain from sharing personal information of any kind. A Drivers License with my home address and photo falls into this category. With all the potential of identity theft etc. it wasn't worth the risk to me. Again, not advice, just what I chose to do.

And just to be clear, I understand why SP's ask for it and I have no issues with them doing so and I'm not asking for anyone to change their screening methods. I just wasn't comfortable with it.

 

[awesome1966]

You are playing with fire in the USA. Also, I would not be giving my personal information out either and that’s our choice. Escorts have their choice of methods. There may be better methods of screening. I am not sure. In the old days an escort would come to your hotel and make a phone call or her phone would ring to confirm everything is good. Then at the end of the session another call was made or a call came in. Also, agencies can be safe for both individuals. I have run into craziness and if you don’t do your homework and if you pick up a random person off of leoslist you are playing Russian roulette. Like I said I don’t pursue anymore and if I did I would go towards a sugar baby arrangement.

 

[awesome1966]

Holy shit what happened??? I was away for a few hours lol....

OK just to clarify a few points... the girl I'm interested in is a reputable provider who advertises on Tryst. She is located in the USA and her screening process is very strict. She requires reputable providers who have websites AND reviews on TER and/or P411. A couple of the girls I see like I said do not advertise and only sees regulars so they won't meet the requirements. The other girls I see who are reputable and have websites etc. are Canada based and don't have much on TER or P411 so again they don't meet the threshold.

After thinking about it some more, I decided not to share my ID. My choice and I'm not saying everyone should do the same as me. What made my decision was simple. I want to be cautious and refrain from sharing personal information of any kind. A Drivers License with my home address and photo falls into this category. With all the potential of identity theft etc. it wasn't worth the risk to me. Again, not advice, just what I chose to do.

And just to be clear, I understand why SP's ask for it and I have no issues with them doing so and I'm not asking for anyone to change their screening methods. I just wasn't comfortable with it.

You Made the right decision for yourself. But I would stay away from the USA it’s not worth the risk. They don’t tolerate that stuff and more Canadians get scammed

 

[luvsdaty]

I know this is off topic but do dudes at glory holes ask to see a drivers license?

 

[RedDragon64]

A bit late to the "party", but here is my 2 cents.

I thoroughly research any provider I am going to see. My research includes following them on social media long enough to get a feel for their character, checking out their website thoroughly, and reading reviews. This eliminates nearly all the risk from my bookings and I'd say that 90% of my bookings are very successful. Literally the only risk I face in a booking is whether the provider will click with me and whether the experience will meet my expectations. As you can see from my reviews, the results of most of my bookings are outstanding.

For this reason I have no problem paying deposits, and completing any reasonable screening requests. I completely understand and appreciate the risks taken by providers and their desire to take the steps they think are necessary to reduce those risks by screening.

I am happy to provide my LinkedIn profile, social media links, references from other providers, phone conversations (a new screening method for me), and deposits (some providers take deposits as a form of screening).

Unfortunately I am not willing to provide copies of my ID. It is not because I think the provider will blackmail me, try to engage in identity theft, or sell my ID to someone who may engage in identity theft. It's simply because I have no idea how secure the provider's storage systems are. Is she saving my ID in a folder on the cloud, or on her phone? Is she aware of the security risks of saving any critical information on the cloud or on her phone?

How many apps does the provider (or anyone for that matter), have on their phone, and are they aware that many of these apps are mining/aggregating personal data, and many of them have back doors written by the outsourced contractors who are writing the apps?

I am very hesitant to provide my ID or information to literally anyone unless I am sure they are secure. As an example, I was recently contacted by my credit card company as a follow-up to a survey I had completed on one of their support staff. I was happy to answer any questions related to the support call, but when they asked me to confirm my DOB, address, and email I declined.

Now coming back to providers requiring ID as part of their screening process, I will respectfully decline (without getting into an argument about why), and offer alternative screening methods that she is agreeable with. If we can't reach an agreement on an acceptable screening method then I am willing to accept that the booking will not take place. This has never happened to me so far, but it's always a possibility.

 

[carvesg]

Holy shit what happened??? I was away for a few hours lol....

OK just to clarify a few points... the girl I'm interested in is a reputable provider who advertises on Tryst. She is located in the USA and her screening process is very strict. She requires reputable providers who have websites AND reviews on TER and/or P411. A couple of the girls I see like I said do not advertise and only sees regulars so they won't meet the requirements. The other girls I see who are reputable and have websites etc. are Canada based and don't have much on TER or P411 so again they don't meet the threshold.

After thinking about it some more, I decided not to share my ID. My choice and I'm not saying everyone should do the same as me. What made my decision was simple. I want to be cautious and refrain from sharing personal information of any kind. A Drivers License with my home address and photo falls into this category. With all the potential of identity theft etc. it wasn't worth the risk to me. Again, not advice, just what I chose to do.

And just to be clear, I understand why SP's ask for it and I have no issues with them doing so and I'm not asking for anyone to change their screening methods. I just wasn't comfortable with it.

What happened ? Two members played mental ping pong all evening all the while trying to convince and argue with Charlee what boundaries she and the ladies should have for their own safety . Instead of applying the philosophy "move on as it's an offer and demand market" they got stuck in a time warp anomaly. We are still hoping they got out of it for their own sake ! 🥴

 

[blakealridge]

You're a bit of the scope of the thread here my friend. The SW aren't the topic here. The question was ( and I'm paraphrasing) is it safe for pooners to send ID to SW? And you're talking about is it safe for SW, but that's not the question here, thats another debate. The subject here is pooners, so I dont see how the experience of SW is relevant to this specific question, thats another topic in itself. Moreover I didn't gaslighted her ( she stated herself that she was aggressive towards me, which I had no problem with). To finish I am going to say the same as I told Charlee ( apparently you haven't read all my posts which you should've done before reacting), I am not about to debate about whos safer or whos the least prone to being victimized between SW and pooners, this was never the topic in the first place and I would never enter into such a debate since all I want is safety for all. So please leave me out of your comparison, this is not a competition.

Right because when you consider your safety you’d never consider ours. It doesn’t matter to you. You’d never consider that an established provider who requires a deposit is actually often a SAFER BET for you. That we would feel more secure. Be less desperate. Take fewer risks. Possibly be less jaded. Manage our business responsibly.
The two are related! You should consider EVERYONE’S safety when making a decision like this.

 

[kd75]

What happened ? Two members played mental ping pong all evening all the while trying to convince and argue with Charlee what boundaries she and the ladies should have for their own safety . Instead of applying the philosophy "move on as it's an offer and demand market" they got stuck in a time warp anomaly. We are still hoping they got out of it for their own sake ! 🥴

So having an argumentation is playing mental ping pong? Move on from what? Again its not that deep my friend just a convo about a topic nothing more. Attack the argument not the individual, thats how a discussion is made. But i guess its too much to ask. And say only two people is a bit reductive, but whatever floats your boat.

 

[kd75]

Right because when you consider your safety you’d never consider ours. It doesn’t matter to you. You’d never consider that an established provider who requires a deposit is actually often a SAFER BET for you. That we would feel more secure. Be less desperate. Take fewer risks. Possibly be less jaded. Manage our business responsibly.
The two are related! You should consider EVERYONE’S safety when making a decision like this.

Get it together bobo its not about you right now. You're not the center of the world. And I also doubt that safety of pooners is why some are asking for ID lol ( c'mon now). Anyways this discussion was never about you but you seem to be adamant on making it about yourself (again you're not the main character here), so please leave me out of your "me, me, me, me". I've also clearly stated that the topic here isn't sp but pooners so you answering the question by " me as a SW..." is out of the topic. If you want to talk about the meritt of sending personal info to strangers sure, but your personal experience of victimization is irrelevant here. If the question was is showing ID to SP makes the entire buisness safer for both then you'd be on point.
Again you're not a buisness, thats why Envision denied you the opening of a buisness account 😂.
There's no point talking to me but you still come back hours after 😂🤣. just move on with your day thats what I'm about. You take care babygirl and keep up the good work, and keep it safe 😊

 

[MB Mod]

Does this thread remind anyone else about the Monty Python augment sketch?

 

[carvesg]

What happens when a member on the board who is omnipotent and omniscient... becomes OMNIPRESENT ? Should we refer to him as a God ? Obviously not the God but a God

 

[luvsdaty]

I'm gonna go ahead and say this thread has gone off the rails.

 

[eclipca]

A bit late to the "party", but here is my 2 cents.

I thoroughly research any provider I am going to see. My research includes following them on social media long enough to get a feel for their character, checking out their website thoroughly, and reading reviews. This eliminates nearly all the risk from my bookings and I'd say that 90% of my bookings are very successful. Literally the only risk I face in a booking is whether the provider will click with me and whether the experience will meet my expectations. As you can see from my reviews, the results of most of my bookings are outstanding.

For this reason I have no problem paying deposits, and completing any reasonable screening requests. I completely understand and appreciate the risks taken by providers and their desire to take the steps they think are necessary to reduce those risks by screening.

I am happy to provide my LinkedIn profile, social media links, references from other providers, phone conversations (a new screening method for me), and deposits (some providers take deposits as a form of screening).

Unfortunately I am not willing to provide copies of my ID. It is not because I think the provider will blackmail me, try to engage in identity theft, or sell my ID to someone who may engage in identity theft. It's simply because I have no idea how secure the provider's storage systems are. Is she saving my ID in a folder on the cloud, or on her phone? Is she aware of the security risks of saving any critical information on the cloud or on her phone?

How many apps does the provider (or anyone for that matter), have on their phone, and are they aware that many of these apps are mining/aggregating personal data, and many of them have back doors written by the outsourced contractors who are writing the apps?

I am very hesitant to provide my ID or information to literally anyone unless I am sure they are secure. As an example, I was recently contacted by my credit card company as a follow-up to a survey I had completed on one of their support staff. I was happy to answer any questions related to the support call, but when they asked me to confirm my DOB, address, and email I declined.

Now coming back to providers requiring ID as part of their screening process, I will respectfully decline (without getting into an argument about why), and offer alternative screening methods that she is agreeable with. If we can't reach an agreement on an acceptable screening method then I am willing to accept that the booking will not take place. This has never happened to me so far, but it's always a possibility.

Yea this is essentially why I didn't feel comfortable sharing my personal ID. Once I send it, it's out there in a digital form floating in space. Whether she does something with it, or she sells it or it gets stolen somehow, that possibility is there so I eliminated that risk for my own safety.

I did say I didn't feel totally comfortable with sharing my ID and asked if I could share my Linkedin Profile and she said "Please read my screening requirements. They are not flexible for my safety." AGAIN, this is fine with me and I'm not blaming her for screening or the way she does it. It just didn't work out this time.

I do have a question though. What does my ID prove? Doesn't it only prove who I say I am? That my face matches my photo ID? My ID doesn't say anything about my personality, my demeanor, my character, my respect for the provider etc. Isn't that the real purpose of screening? To find out whether or not I'm a jerk or disrespectful or dangerous in anyway? That's why I thought getting a reference from another provider that can provide real insight and feedback about someone would be much more useful. I really don't get how a Driver's License reassures a SP on meeting person.