Advice for a newb?

[feelgoodfreddie]

Hey everyone.
I'm sure we've all been where I am at some point and I'm looking for a bit of advice on how all this works so I don't get arrested, caught by my SO (no judgements plz), or even simply ripped off. I've never done this before and want to, but want to do so carefully.
How do you all recognize the red flags? What can I look for?
I've read many of the reviews, but they don't cover all the girls obviously, and there are some that only have their ads up on Locanto or Leo's list for a short time, and then go to Snapchat, which we all know is pretty unreliable.
Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers

 

[vanperb]

Here's some advice that's pretty general, though there are specific things to Vancouver, I hope they're still useful.

• How to spot a scam: https://perb.cc/xenforo/threads/how-to-spot-a-scam.312248/#post-2291741
• How to spot fake photos: https://perb.cc/xenforo/threads/how-to-tell-if-a-photo-in-an-ad-is-real.324642/
• Before booking your first SP: https://perb.cc/xenforo/threads/how...aking-your-first-booking.300414/#post-2199717

 

[vanperb]

I don't know about Nanaimo but the VPD and RCMP don't care about prostitution here unless there's clear signs of violence, abuse, or trafficking.
It's pretty safe to play up in Canada.

 

[Bridge]

Look at the reviews for Nanaimo here, double check using Tryst, and seek advice. There are some great ladies in Nanaimo.

An example
https://www.twocougarsinthevalley.com/meet-chels

 

[LookingForLove]

I would play it safe and look at Black Orchid in town. Totally legit. Great girls. Well run.

 

[Fdupcanuck]

I would play it safe and look at Black Orchid in town. Totally legit. Great girls. Well run.

I'm with LookingForLove - as a newbie, stick to legitimate agencies, especially when starting out. You would not believe the number of elaborate scams out there. I've been scammed a few times, and most are the result of 1. thinking with my little head. 2. alcohol. Yet I've never been scammed by an agency. You're entering a whole different world so be smart; if something doesn't seem right, or seems too good to be true, listen to your gut, not your dick. And ya, BOA is great and getting better. Finally, don't be afraid to ask questions on here, and read reviews before you commit.

Good luck, have fun, be safe!

 

[nex169]

Black Orchid or maybe she if the top reviewed girls like Vanessa.

 

[Lady Vanessa]

You're correct in when you say that we all have at least one thing in common and that's we all had to have our first experience at some point. It can be nerve wrecking, it can be exciting and it can be scary.
The latter shouldn't exist, if you ask me. And I say that, because the internet has changed the industry for both purveyor and purchaser.
You have been given some solid advice and I can agree to all of it. As a provider of intimacy, discretion and opening my personal space to strangers, it begins with communication and knowing what you are truly
seeking from a sex worker. There's someone for everyone's taste, wants, kinks and needs. Once you find visually who you are attracted to, read their ads, profiles and see if they fully entice you and contact them.
Introduce yourself, give a brief description of who you are, specify the type of date you would like to experience and follow the booking criteria.
If I am not feeling someone's way of communicating, or know I am not able to, or want to provide what they're seeking, then it's easiest to recommend a trusted friend, or decline the date.
To sum it all up.....COMMUNICATION IS KEY!

Be smart in how you communicate with booking & paying for dates and be smart with practicing safe sex. It's common that there are plenty of local sex workers who are survival and partaking in sex acts can be the scary point I mentioned.
If you have a S/O and partaking in pooning, it's up to you to be careful. And to choose sex workers who are professional, reputable, value discretion, hygiene, health and safe sex.

 

[BiggDogg]

I would play it safe and look at Black Orchid in town. Totally legit. Great girls. Well run.

Don't do it. The girls tell horrible stories about BOA.

 

[WanKuh]

"Black Orchid in town. Totally legit."
Just as an aside I think "totally legit" may be a bit of a stretch. I suspect Black Orchid is operating in a grey area of the law with a degree of of tolerance from the cops.

 

[cookiekid]

Don't do it. The girls tell horrible stories about BOA.

Could you elaborate, because I have visited there 3 times and the lady who runs it is very friendly.

 

[dudeisalright]

I'm curious too. I've never had a bad experience with BOA it's always been a good place for me.

 

[2bfair]

Don't do it. The girls tell horrible stories about BOA.

The girls that leave boa for some reason or another which could be on this list of info that Rikki who runs boa posted in the lounge section in 2019. This clears up many questions that newbies may have. Once I read this I was at ease as I too had questions like the op. I have had no problems with boa for 6 years now. Also I see a few indies who are posted here on perb. I dont take chances on unknown adverts. Rikki said.

Feb 14, 2019


Prostitution has never been illegal in Canada - but solicitation &/or communicating for the purpose of prostitution IS!

In the most basic (& I mean basic) terminology. YOU calling us - no issue. Us calling you - big issue!

The new laws - meant to protect sex workers - which really seems to me to do the direct opposite are so totally screwed that I can promise you
that each & every lawyer in Canada is waiting like a buzzard over a dying carcass (sorry lawyers - not being mean - just blunt) for the first charges to be
laid as they could turn out to be multi-million dollars landmark cases. (hmm .. .now I'm thinking .. I could use that cash!)

The new laws - once again - very basically put & others in more knowledgeable positions then myself might say that I'm off (a wee bit) on some issues - but have the gist of the situation.

(1) Is is now legal - for any woman - legal, licensed &/or not - to give a list of her "additional services" along with any fees that she so desires to perform those services.

(2) Is is now ILLEGAL for any person to "purchase" those listed options.

Hmmm ... I know that I'm not really a blonde anymore - but that is pretty confusing, but it's not my job to understand it - just to work with it.


Now - the cities of Nanaimo & Victoria actually give me a license to operate (& they aren't cheap - considering a regular business license for a shoe store, etc is approx. $ 120 - $ 150 a year)

In Nanaimo it's $ 3000. per year
In Victoria it's $ 1500. per year
& in Prince George - where I fought a legal battle with the city & won - it's now $ 4166. a year .. crazy huh?.


BUT - once again - with the new laws (the way that I read them anyhow) - the GOVERNMENT of Canada could now be able actually CHARGE the cities of
Nanaimo, Prince George & Victoria - for GIVING me a license. Dumb huh?

There are some rules that I must follow to maintain my license & yes - it gets a little frustrating as I feel sometimes that I am the ONLY ONE following the rules - but I do my best.

According to the Criminal Code of Canada (CCC) - Escorts in BC can be 18 years of age &/or older
but according to the City By-laws in each city in BC - ALL Escorts must be of 19 years of age &/or older.

The city can't legally stop you from having an 18 year old on staff - but they could revoke your business license & that would stop all your businesses no matter what the CCC says.

There's also nothing illegal about a pregnant Escort working - but I have a moral issue with that myself - and as they are my agencies - they are my rules.

A woman has a right to make her own decisions - but when you are expecting a child - your decisions should be based on the health & welfare of that child - not your own.

Therefore Black Orchid Agency will NOT allow any Escorts who are pregnant to work. We'll do our best to find them another job until after their child is born - but we can't
always do that - but we will try.

As for Agencies - the only issue that the Judge had in my Court case - was that I was - at that time - charging the clientele an additional fee to use the Agencies' location
& he didn't like that. So - I changed the fees & we provide our locations at no additional charge to the client &/or the Escort and what two consenting adults do behind closed doors are 100% their business.

The Escort is charging you for her time & she can charge $ 1 million dollars if she wants - nothing illegal about that.

Also - please note that the Escorts do NOT work for Black Orchid Agency - no Escorts "work" for any Agency in BC (or Canada for that matter)
- or that Agency would be responsible to provide them with tax slips (T4's) & I know of absolutely NO Agencies that do that.

The Escorts do NOT work for the Agencies - the Agencies work for THEM. They are self-employed contractors - but we (as the Agency)
have the right to refuse to list them with our company for whatever reasons we deem appropriate.

So we don't FIRE anyone - we just thank them for their service & wish them well - somewhere else!

Other ladies have issues with our Agency - as is their right - so they chose to leave. Some are under the impression that the grass is
greener on the other side - but doesn't it always APPEAR to be greener somewhere else - isn't that the way for everything in life?

Seldom do we ever refuse to allow an Escort back to BOA & if so - its usually for one of the following reasons & no other.

- drug / alcohol issues that are not being dealt with (yes - some are given numerous opportunities to change that) .
- theft
- in-appropriate behaviour
- can't get their sh*t together (yes - it happens - being a good escort is a lot of adult responsibility & some people just can't do that - no matter how hard they try)
- causing trouble with other Escorts. (this happens a lot - there are a lot of escorts that tell stories to other Escorts - usually in an attempt to rid themselves of so-called competition)
- trying to move drugs thru our Agency. (if I find that an Escort is trying this - my first & only phone call will be to the RCMP as I could lose absolutely everything because of this alone)

For clientele - please understand that ANYTHING & EVERYTHING that our Agencies provides to you &/or your Escort is 100% at OUR COST -
as are any reimbursements - it's not the Escort paying those monies - it's US!

Her fees are the same to us whether she goes to your home / hotel &/or our location. YOU might pay her an additional fee to travel - but that fee is HERS - not ours.

So when you realize that you actually pay the same fees at Black Orchid Agency as you do at all other Agencies - or when you've been reimbursed monies for any reason
- then please take a long look around & realize what we provide to you versus all others is 100% at our cost always and out of our pocket - never the Escorts or yours!

Then I would just be thankful that we are here & enjoy us while you have the opportunity - because you never know how long a good thing can last!

Many thanks!

Rikki

 

[2bfair]

"Black Orchid in town. Totally legit."
Just as an aside I think "totally legit" may be a bit of a stretch. I suspect Black Orchid is operating in a grey area of the law with a degree of of tolerance from the cops.

Feb 14, 2019 Rikki of boa said in the forum section.



Prostitution has never been illegal in Canada - but solicitation &/or communicating for the purpose of prostitution IS!

In the most basic (& I mean basic) terminology. YOU calling us - no issue. Us calling you - big issue!

The new laws - meant to protect sex workers - which really seems to me to do the direct opposite are so totally screwed that I can promise you
that each & every lawyer in Canada is waiting like a buzzard over a dying carcass (sorry lawyers - not being mean - just blunt) for the first charges to be
laid as they could turn out to be multi-million dollars landmark cases. (hmm .. .now I'm thinking .. I could use that cash!)

The new laws - once again - very basically put & others in more knowledgeable positions then myself might say that I'm off (a wee bit) on some issues - but have the gist of the situation.

(1) Is is now legal - for any woman - legal, licensed &/or not - to give a list of her "additional services" along with any fees that she so desires to perform those services.

(2) Is is now ILLEGAL for any person to "purchase" those listed options.

Hmmm ... I know that I'm not really a blonde anymore - but that is pretty confusing, but it's not my job to understand it - just to work with it.


Now - the cities of Nanaimo & Victoria actually give me a license to operate (& they aren't cheap - considering a regular business license for a shoe store, etc is approx. $ 120 - $ 150 a year)

In Nanaimo it's $ 3000. per year
In Victoria it's $ 1500. per year
& in Prince George - where I fought a legal battle with the city & won - it's now $ 4166. a year .. crazy huh?.


BUT - once again - with the new laws (the way that I read them anyhow) - the GOVERNMENT of Canada could now be able actually CHARGE the cities of
Nanaimo, Prince George & Victoria - for GIVING me a license. Dumb huh?

There are some rules that I must follow to maintain my license & yes - it gets a little frustrating as I feel sometimes that I am the ONLY ONE following the rules - but I do my best.

According to the Criminal Code of Canada (CCC) - Escorts in BC can be 18 years of age &/or older
but according to the City By-laws in each city in BC - ALL Escorts must be of 19 years of age &/or older.

The city can't legally stop you from having an 18 year old on staff - but they could revoke your business license & that would stop all your businesses no matter what the CCC says.

There's also nothing illegal about a pregnant Escort working - but I have a moral issue with that myself - and as they are my agencies - they are my rules.

A woman has a right to make her own decisions - but when you are expecting a child - your decisions should be based on the health & welfare of that child - not your own.

Therefore Black Orchid Agency will NOT allow any Escorts who are pregnant to work. We'll do our best to find them another job until after their child is born - but we can't
always do that - but we will try.

As for Agencies - the only issue that the Judge had in my Court case - was that I was - at that time - charging the clientele an additional fee to use the Agencies' location
& he didn't like that. So - I changed the fees & we provide our locations at no additional charge to the client &/or the Escort and what two consenting adults do behind closed doors are 100% their business.

The Escort is charging you for her time & she can charge $ 1 million dollars if she wants - nothing illegal about that.

Also - please note that the Escorts do NOT work for Black Orchid Agency - no Escorts "work" for any Agency in BC (or Canada for that matter)
- or that Agency would be responsible to provide them with tax slips (T4's) & I know of absolutely NO Agencies that do that.

The Escorts do NOT work for the Agencies - the Agencies work for THEM. They are self-employed contractors - but we (as the Agency)
have the right to refuse to list them with our company for whatever reasons we deem appropriate.

So we don't FIRE anyone - we just thank them for their service & wish them well - somewhere else!

Other ladies have issues with our Agency - as is their right - so they chose to leave. Some are under the impression that the grass is
greener on the other side - but doesn't it always APPEAR to be greener somewhere else - isn't that the way for everything in life?

Seldom do we ever refuse to allow an Escort back to BOA & if so - its usually for one of the following reasons & no other.

- drug / alcohol issues that are not being dealt with (yes - some are given numerous opportunities to change that) .
- theft
- in-appropriate behaviour
- can't get their sh*t together (yes - it happens - being a good escort is a lot of adult responsibility & some people just can't do that - no matter how hard they try)
- causing trouble with other Escorts. (this happens a lot - there are a lot of escorts that tell stories to other Escorts - usually in an attempt to rid themselves of so-called competition)
- trying to move drugs thru our Agency. (if I find that an Escort is trying this - my first & only phone call will be to the RCMP as I could lose absolutely everything because of this alone)

For clientele - please understand that ANYTHING & EVERYTHING that our Agencies provides to you &/or your Escort is 100% at OUR COST -
as are any reimbursements - it's not the Escort paying those monies - it's US!

Her fees are the same to us whether she goes to your home / hotel &/or our location. YOU might pay her an additional fee to travel - but that fee is HERS - not ours.

So when you realize that you actually pay the same fees at Black Orchid Agency as you do at all other Agencies - or when you've been reimbursed monies for any reason
- then please take a long look around & realize what we provide to you versus all others is 100% at our cost always and out of our pocket - never the Escorts or yours!

Then I would just be thankful that we are here & enjoy us while you have the opportunity - because you never know how long a good thing can last!

Many thanks!

Rikki

 

[BiggDogg]

The girls that leave boa for some reason or another which could be on this list of info that Rikki who runs boa posted in the lounge section in 2019. This clears up many questions that newbies may have. Once I read this I was at ease as I too had questions like the op. I have had no problems with boa for 6 years now. Also I see a few indies who are posted here on perb. I dont take chances on unknown adverts. Rikki said.

Feb 14, 2019


Prostitution has never been illegal in Canada - but solicitation &/or communicating for the purpose of prostitution IS!

In the most basic (& I mean basic) terminology. YOU calling us - no issue. Us calling you - big issue!

The new laws - meant to protect sex workers - which really seems to me to do the direct opposite are so totally screwed that I can promise you
that each & every lawyer in Canada is waiting like a buzzard over a dying carcass (sorry lawyers - not being mean - just blunt) for the first charges to be
laid as they could turn out to be multi-million dollars landmark cases. (hmm .. .now I'm thinking .. I could use that cash!)

The new laws - once again - very basically put & others in more knowledgeable positions then myself might say that I'm off (a wee bit) on some issues - but have the gist of the situation.

(1) Is is now legal - for any woman - legal, licensed &/or not - to give a list of her "additional services" along with any fees that she so desires to perform those services.

(2) Is is now ILLEGAL for any person to "purchase" those listed options.

Hmmm ... I know that I'm not really a blonde anymore - but that is pretty confusing, but it's not my job to understand it - just to work with it.


Now - the cities of Nanaimo & Victoria actually give me a license to operate (& they aren't cheap - considering a regular business license for a shoe store, etc is approx. $ 120 - $ 150 a year)

In Nanaimo it's $ 3000. per year
In Victoria it's $ 1500. per year
& in Prince George - where I fought a legal battle with the city & won - it's now $ 4166. a year .. crazy huh?.


BUT - once again - with the new laws (the way that I read them anyhow) - the GOVERNMENT of Canada could now be able actually CHARGE the cities of
Nanaimo, Prince George & Victoria - for GIVING me a license. Dumb huh?

There are some rules that I must follow to maintain my license & yes - it gets a little frustrating as I feel sometimes that I am the ONLY ONE following the rules - but I do my best.

According to the Criminal Code of Canada (CCC) - Escorts in BC can be 18 years of age &/or older
but according to the City By-laws in each city in BC - ALL Escorts must be of 19 years of age &/or older.

The city can't legally stop you from having an 18 year old on staff - but they could revoke your business license & that would stop all your businesses no matter what the CCC says.

There's also nothing illegal about a pregnant Escort working - but I have a moral issue with that myself - and as they are my agencies - they are my rules.

A woman has a right to make her own decisions - but when you are expecting a child - your decisions should be based on the health & welfare of that child - not your own.

Therefore Black Orchid Agency will NOT allow any Escorts who are pregnant to work. We'll do our best to find them another job until after their child is born - but we can't
always do that - but we will try.

As for Agencies - the only issue that the Judge had in my Court case - was that I was - at that time - charging the clientele an additional fee to use the Agencies' location
& he didn't like that. So - I changed the fees & we provide our locations at no additional charge to the client &/or the Escort and what two consenting adults do behind closed doors are 100% their business.

The Escort is charging you for her time & she can charge $ 1 million dollars if she wants - nothing illegal about that.

Also - please note that the Escorts do NOT work for Black Orchid Agency - no Escorts "work" for any Agency in BC (or Canada for that matter)
- or that Agency would be responsible to provide them with tax slips (T4's) & I know of absolutely NO Agencies that do that.

The Escorts do NOT work for the Agencies - the Agencies work for THEM. They are self-employed contractors - but we (as the Agency)
have the right to refuse to list them with our company for whatever reasons we deem appropriate.

So we don't FIRE anyone - we just thank them for their service & wish them well - somewhere else!

Other ladies have issues with our Agency - as is their right - so they chose to leave. Some are under the impression that the grass is
greener on the other side - but doesn't it always APPEAR to be greener somewhere else - isn't that the way for everything in life?

Seldom do we ever refuse to allow an Escort back to BOA & if so - its usually for one of the following reasons & no other.

- drug / alcohol issues that are not being dealt with (yes - some are given numerous opportunities to change that) .
- theft
- in-appropriate behaviour
- can't get their sh*t together (yes - it happens - being a good escort is a lot of adult responsibility & some people just can't do that - no matter how hard they try)
- causing trouble with other Escorts. (this happens a lot - there are a lot of escorts that tell stories to other Escorts - usually in an attempt to rid themselves of so-called competition)
- trying to move drugs thru our Agency. (if I find that an Escort is trying this - my first & only phone call will be to the RCMP as I could lose absolutely everything because of this alone)

For clientele - please understand that ANYTHING & EVERYTHING that our Agencies provides to you &/or your Escort is 100% at OUR COST -
as are any reimbursements - it's not the Escort paying those monies - it's US!

Her fees are the same to us whether she goes to your home / hotel &/or our location. YOU might pay her an additional fee to travel - but that fee is HERS - not ours.

So when you realize that you actually pay the same fees at Black Orchid Agency as you do at all other Agencies - or when you've been reimbursed monies for any reason
- then please take a long look around & realize what we provide to you versus all others is 100% at our cost always and out of our pocket - never the Escorts or yours!

Then I would just be thankful that we are here & enjoy us while you have the opportunity - because you never know how long a good thing can last!

Many thanks!

Rikki

What the fuck is this? Looks a bit like a temper tantrum to me.

 

[Canyon]

It’s a message he is sharing from Rikki the previous owner of BOA or maybe is still involved. She like to communicate a lot with her customers and was not short for words. I’m miss talking to Rikki since she and Boa left Victoria. She is awesome.. My 2 cents

 

[paul2020]

Lot of really good info here.

I've had the best success with a couple Escort sites.

Tryst is one of the best. Which, Lady Vanessa has a profile. And, without a doubt, is one of the best Hostesses I've ever had the luxury of playing with!!!

Search independent escorts worldwide | Tryst.link: Find independent escorts

Vanislescorts

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You've already had BlackOrchid Agency.

BlackOrchid

If you try Leolist make sure you review the SP's on here.

 

[2bfair]

It’s a message he is sharing from Rikki the previous owner of BOA or maybe is still involved. She like to communicate a lot with her customers and was not short for words. I’m miss talking to Rikki since she and Boa left Victoria. She is awesome.. My 2 cents

Thanks. It is a message I am sharing that set me at ease which should be obvious and is to you. Thanks for understanding my post. Rikki still is on the phones at times. I too enjoy our conversations.