A call from my clients' wife ...today ...my heart hurts

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hunsperger

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Jessica doesn't owe you an apology, what makes you think you are entitled to one?
And I think that a lot of the backlash on this board is a little bit harsh. Jessica did acutally NO HARM to anyone on this board except for the couple. She may have done other ladies a favour by driving away potential clients who favour discretion onto other providers who are less likely to put their heart before their buisness.
Jessica - your heart might be too big for this industry! Don't play naieve and assume thats the first client that has seen you who is married. Regardless, it's not your duty to report your clients personal affairs to his wife, that's his own doing. I have been scorned by a man, and it's hurts a HECK of a lot more coming from the "other woman" than it does from the man. You never know, he could have been preparing to tell her that night ... It's the couples buisness, not yours!
A lot of the girls that I work with say that they are paid not only for their services, but moreso to leave after ..
'Nuff said.
Phonegirl...

I hope you didn't misinterpret my comments...

I have no sympathy for JPR's client either...

I think they deserve each other...

he's a cheating piece of scum, live by the sword, die by the sword...

I hope his wife leaves him destitute, selfish pig that he is...

that said...

I couldn't stand JPR's angst ridden, heavy heart and smarmy ass long before this thread...
 

uncleg

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Phonegirl...

I hope you didn't misinterpret my comments...

I have no sympathy for JPR's client either...

I think they deserve each other...

he's a cheating piece of scum, live by the sword, die by the sword...

I hope his wife leaves him destitute, selfish pig that he is...

that said...

I couldn't stand JPR's angst ridden, heavy heart and smarmy ass long before this thread...

There you go, brutally honest..................but what the hell why not.
 
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PhoneGirl

"I would have been much more happy to accept an apology".

Absolutley no offence intended, it's just very easy to interpret that as you feel you are a hurt party deserving an apology. :p

Cheating sucks! I was cheated on once and I was very hurt, it acutally made it a lot worse to hear it from the other woman and know who she was. If she was just an anonymous person it would have been much easier to get over, but since I know who she is and what she looks like, she'll be in my brain for a longgg time. It will be pretty hard to forget her face/voice.
 

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So I guess every married pooner on this board is a piece of scum??
Now you're gettin it! :)

All men in general really, but I know I'm not supposed to reveal that truth,
the myth that there are some good ones....kinda like the hooker with a heart of gold fantasy. :rolleyes:

Sorry, some people still hold out hope, I don't mean to dash anyones dreams.
Do like I do, I just always expect the worst in people, that way I'm never disappointed. :)
 

uncleg

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Now you're gettin it! :)

All men in general really, but I know I'm not supposed to reveal that truth,
the myth that there are some good ones....kinda like the hooker with a heart of gold fantasy. :rolleyes:

Sorry, some people still hold out hope, I don't mean to dash anyones dreams.
Do like I do, I just always expect the worst in people, that way I'm never disappointed. :)

HB you got to MERL more.
 

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My first post,did i pick one or what!

Be objective - TAKE THE EMOTION OUT PEOPLE

Wow,we are seeing the true colors of some people with personal vendetta's.

Personal attacks on someone who was telling a story and asking for advice - burn her at the stake !!!

MISSING THE POINT - Whats your back up plan - do you honestly believe that you can leave things to chance !!

single guys - don't worry

MARRIED GUYS - DELETE COMMUNICATION/PICTURES IMMEDIATELY (learn't from personal experience)

Have a story rehearsed with a regular SP if you are concerned - NO ONE KNOWS HOW THEY WILL REACT UNTIL IT HAPPENS TO THEM !!I've lead people for 20+ years.Leave nothing to chance.TRAIN THEM WHAT TO SAY...talk to them..sound stupid,not when you can loose your marriage.

SP's do you really think not answering your phone/hanging up will reduce suspicion ??? really..married guys you know if your wife is checking your phone/computer you're in trouble before the phone call...

Jessica,l will come and see you and make my own descion about who you are,and the services you provide - pm me(right term ??)

For both parties involved in this ..i do feel for the situation you are in..i hope things workout
First civilized post I've read in a long time, welcome to Perb.

Bottom line with married guys is this. "if you can't due the time, don't due the crime."


If you get caught, you have only yourself to blame, regardless of how it happened.
 

wilde

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Wow this thread sure is polarizing. For me, this thread is all about a very important question. If a SP is confronted by a client's SO regardless of how the situation arose, what should the SP's response be? There is no right or wrong answer but as a client my expectation would be one of discretion, plain and simple.
 

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first off i,m not married ,
but this is a whore review board where pooners get into about certain sexual activities , be it a simple rub and tug or tie me up and put a butt plug up my ass, so lets not get all moral and call one another names like a scum bag for cheating on a wife or ? wtf?
the issue here is a sp who broke THE RULE of professional ethics....
if anyone should be banned be it a paid advertiser in red or a pooner it should be Jesscia.
If she has any clients left i would be surprised and if so , when they get knowledge of this i,m sure she wont have any left.
If I were her I would be changing my phone number asap and moving. both the client and the wife were calm but maybe the calm before the storm.
Time for a carreer change Jessica.
 

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Now you're gettin it! :)

All men in general really, but I know I'm not supposed to reveal that truth,
the myth that there are some good ones....kinda like the hooker with a heart of gold fantasy. :rolleyes:

Sorry, some people still hold out hope, I don't mean to dash anyones dreams.
Do like I do, I just always expect the worst in people, that way I'm never disappointed. :)
Just as an aside, HB: It's like calling every flip of the coin "heads"; you'll be right half the time. That's kind of like always expecting the worst, you'll be right half the time. Where's the perspective, however, how does intuitive understanding have a place and what part does intelligence play in any particular situation? I'm afraid your means of decision making is too narrow and too unimaginative for me.
 

FunSugarDaddy

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WELL DONE...
I have been thinking about this thread and all and the SP's that provide you men with a service. Now I think about it more. We are offering a service we are a business. If you are married and you truly want to keep that marriage and for whatever reason you have for seeking our services. It really isn't our job to cover your ass. Yes discretion on both parties. But if you get caught well your issue to deal with. You did not cover yourself have a plan. It is not up to us SP's to keep your secret from your wife. we do not know her.
I respect all my clients and respect the fact that some are married. But we must realize that not all our clients are so careful.
Again what is done is done. JPR chose to share her experience. She did not ask to be attacked. She is only human.
Great post. Regardless of how JPR handled it, ultimately when a guy gets caught he has to accept whatever fall out ensues. In my particular case, it was me who left my e-mail account open by accident, and in this guys case it was HE who left his cell phoning lying around. Once that happens, the actually reply the SP makes is close to meaningless, especially if the guy had an discriminating text messages or other "proof". of his activities.

But that said, it would be nice in the future, if she would have just said

"I get lots of enquiries and about 1/2 of the enquires I get actually turn into meetings. And I don't discuss those that do. So on that basis, I would likely ask that you discuss this with your husband and leave me out of it."
 

Miss*Bijou

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Jessica did acutally NO HARM to anyone on this board except for the couple. She may have done other ladies a favour by driving away potential clients who favour discretion onto other providers who are less likely to put their heart before their buisness.

I will have to disagree with you on that. She did no favor to anyone else by showing pooners one of their biggest fears can happen - and that they're right to worry. I don't see that as doing anyone of us a favor. I see where it might seem that way but I don't think that's the case. (not to mention, most of us are not even in the same city lol :p )

Let's look at it this way:
Out of all the guys who are saying JPR did the right thing and was justified in doing what she did, how many of you are married ( edited to add: ) and pooning without your SO's knowledge? Anyone?
 

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Phonegirl...

I hope you didn't misinterpret my comments...

I have no sympathy for JPR's client either...

I think they deserve each other...

he's a cheating piece of scum, live by the sword, die by the sword...

I hope his wife leaves him destitute, selfish pig that he is...

that said...

I couldn't stand JPR's angst ridden, heavy heart and smarmy ass long before this thread...
Well it doesn't offend me to know you never liked my smarmy ass because truth be known ...I never even knew your name until just now. Truly, one needs to have adversaries to appreciate true friendship:) I'm ok with you not liking my smarmy ass.
 

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I will have to disagree with you on that. She did no favor to anyone else by showing pooners one of their biggest fears can happen - and that they're right to worry. I don't see that as doing anyone of us a favor. I see where it might seem that way but I don't think that's the case. (not to mention, most of us are not even in the same city lol :p )

Let's look at it this way:
Out of all the guys who are saying JPR did the right thing and was justified in doing what she did, how many of you are married? Anyone?

I don't think anyone is saying she did the right thing, because she didn't. But neither is she to be blamed for any fall out that occurs from him getting caught.

I can speak from experience that when my wife read e-mails she shouldn't have read, that she wouldn't have given a flying fuck about what an SP had to say about it. Do you honestly think JPR could have said anything to have rectified the situation?

The best she could have said was either to have hung up, or to say she doesn't know if she met that woman's husband or not. But either way, he's toast, because the vast majority of woman would find you guilty just for attempting to go down this path, and the rest would simply assume he did. Only an extremely nieve woman would ever buy any excuss in this situation, and even if they did, it would only be on a superficial level, because deep down they'll know the truth whether they wish to admit it to themselves or not.

The far more important issue, is what are the root causes of him engaging in this behaviour and can they be dealt with and if not, what are the consequences of that to the marriage, to each party involved, and perhaps to any children. Those are the real questions. And don't think for a second that any married guy hasn't thought about what the fall out would be if he were to get caught, he just hopes that day will never come.
 

uncleg

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I will have to disagree with you on that. She did no favor to anyone else by showing pooners one of their biggest fears can happen - and that they're right to worry. I don't see that as doing anyone of us a favor. I see where it might seem that way but I don't think that's the case. (not to mention, most of us are not even in the same city lol :p )

Let's look at it this way:
Out of all the guys who are saying JPR did the right thing and was justified in doing what she did, how many of you are married? Anyone?

O.K. not married, but been together 15 years. Pictures posted of an afternoon spent with an SP, while she's away improving her skills at the wonderful art of war. And yes she knows about this site, has access and will see the pictures. How's that work for you ?
 

Miss*Bijou

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But that said, it would be nice in the future, if she would have just said

"I get lots of enquiries and about 1/2 of the enquires I get actually turn into meetings. And I don't discuss those that do. So on that basis, I would likely ask that you discuss this with your husband and leave me out of it."


Yes, but the problem here is that she doesn't see what she did as being wrong and still maintains there is no right or wrong - so why would she do things any differently next time.


It was not her place to say anything at all. Her loyalty was to her client and if his wife already knew "anyway", that didn't give her the green light to confirm it or betray his confidence. Period. She wasn't backed up again a wall with a gun to her head being told to talk or else.. It showed lack of judgment on her part IMO, not to mention lack of discretion.


As someone's already mentioned, I doubt the fact that this client and many others are married should come as news or be a surprise to her. She should have already thought about and planned the way in which she would react if she ever got a call such as the one she got. Also, I must say that if she views her/our role as one which is responsible for and to blame for breaking families up, and as such, feels it acceptable to betray clients trust when her heart hurts, then I would suggest she is not in the right profession.


It's silly to even think that an sp may be responsible for this, completely absurd. In most cases, it would be just as absurd to lay the blame solely on the man, as stepping out on a marriage isn't the root of the problem, it is a result of the actual problem which, most of the time involves 2 people sharing blame. It's simplistic to say that an sp is to blame.


It's as absurd as saying that in a situation where, for example, a man who has been drinking crashes his car, injurs someone, what is to blame is the car, or on the person who served him a drink! It's the man's fault for choosing to drink and then drive and if you dig even more, maybe his alcoholism explains (not justifies) why he behaved this way.


What he should be looking at for his reasons for injuring someone, for crashing the car, for drinking before getting in his car - is his alcoholism. Pointing the finger at the bartender or the car, or even at the beer he consumed that night is pointless because all of those actions are a result of a much bigger, deeper problem. It's just easier for people to put the blame on things that don't force them to answer some hard questions about themselves and their problems, whether it's alcoholism or marriage.
 

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O.K. not married, but been together 15 years. Pictures posted of an afternoon spent with an SP, while she's away improving her skills at the wonderful art of war. And yes she knows about this site, has access and will see the pictures. How's that work for you ?

lol

Well, I guess I should have specified married and their SO is not aware of their hobby.
(ie could possibly face the same situation as the OP's client did)

If your SO knows about your pooning, that doesn't count. lol
I edited my post to add these details.. :)
 

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Yes, but the problem here is that she doesn't see what she did as being wrong and still maintains there is no right or wrong - so why would she do things any differently next time.


It was not her place to say anything at all. Her loyalty was to her client and if his wife already knew "anyway", that didn't give her the green light to confirm it or betray his confidence. Period. She wasn't backed up again a wall with a gun to her head being told to talk or else.. It showed lack of judgment on her part IMO, not to mention lack of discretion.


As someone's already mentioned, I doubt the fact that this client and many others are married should come as news or be a surprise to her. She should have already thought about and planned the way in which she would react if she ever got a call such as the one she got. Also, I must say that if she views her/our role as one which is responsible for and to blame for breaking families up, and as such, feels it acceptable to betray clients trust when her heart hurts, then I would suggest she is not in the right profession.


It's silly to even think that an sp may be responsible for this, completely absurd. In most cases, it would be just as absurd to lay the blame solely on the man, as stepping out on a marriage isn't the root of the problem, it is a result of the actual problem which, most of the time involves 2 people sharing blame. It's simplistic to say that an sp is to blame.

It's just easier for people to put the blame on things that don't force them to answer some hard questions about themselves and their problems, whether it's alcoholism or marriage.
Not disagreeing with any of your points, all I'm attempting to do is tell those who are married that at the end of the day, the blame rests with you, regardless of why you were caught.

That said, I certainly think she could have handled it better and I've said so, more than once.

And I've also said, this thread could serve as a wake-up call to a few independent, perhaps inexperienced, SP's who've never encountered or even contemplated this situation arising.

That's the real value in this thread, in my opinion because it may give them a heads up on the fact it could happen, and if it does, some hints on how to deal with it.
 

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I don't think anyone is saying she did the right thing, because she didn't. But neither is she to be blamed for any fall out that occurs from him getting caught.

I can speak from experience that when my wife read e-mails she shouldn't have read, that she wouldn't have given a flying fuck about what an SP had to say about it. Do you honestly think JPR could have said anything to have rectified the situation?

The best she could have said was either to have hung up, or to say she doesn't know if she met that woman's husband or not. But either way, he's toast, because the vast majority of woman would find you guilty just for attempting to go down this path, and the rest would simply assume he did. Only an extremely nieve woman would ever buy any excuss in this situation, and even if they did, it would only be on a superficial level, because deep down they'll know the truth whether they wish to admit it to themselves or not.

The far more important issue, is what are the root causes of him engaging in this behaviour and can they be dealt with and if not, what are the consequences of that to the marriage, to each party involved, and perhaps to any children. Those are the real questions. And don't think for a second that any married guy hasn't thought about what the fall out would be if he were to get caught, he just hopes that day will never come.

oh I absolutely agree (as I've posted before seeing your comments lol) but the bottom line is that regardless of whether it changed anything or changed nothing about her clients wife's knowledge - she should not have gotten involved, and definitely not have confirmed it. Period. We agree on this 100%...the problem is that JPR doesn't and still doesn't see what she did as being wrong and still feels justified.


Edited to add: And I'm going to stop replying to your posts because it looks like I'm 1 message behind every time. haha
 

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wow... this has turned into quite the hot (tempered) topic. It seems that alot fo people are quick to point fingers at JPR, citing a complete lack of discretion in "outing" a client.

First off, there is an unspoken agreement between both the customer and the provider...that you will have discretion in dealing with each other. The client first broke that agreement by keeping a number & picture of her on his phone. Regardless of whether or not you want to argue the semantics of privacy in a marriage, he failed to contemplate what might happen if his wife found out (which she did). In turn, this placed JPR in a comprimising situation.

Now, this is where the subject of discretion comes into play... JPR did not seek out the client in public, did not make unwarranted contact prior to the event, nor did she make her liasons with the client public in the slightest (on the boards, or via any other media). This is the discretion that people pay for, something that is often impossible in other kinds of affairs.

The client broke the first rule... as nice as it is to have somebody cover for us, I'm not so certain that we have the right to ream them out for not crossing their own morale code for our sake. Perhaps SP's have become too complacent with feigning ignorance when unwanted attention comes their way. There are gentlemen on this board that take excellent measures to ensure that their privacy, and that of the provider that they are with, remains intact. Perhaps sp's wouldn't have to tolerate such breaches of their privacy if their cleints were generally more discrete to begin with?

I guess the point is, it's a two way street. The implied trust goes in both directions... something that's all too easy to forget when money is exchanged and passion flares.
 

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oh I absolutely agree (as I've posted before seeing your comments lol) but the bottom line is that regardless of whether it changed anything or changed nothing about her clients wife's knowledge - she should not have gotten involved, and definitely not have confirmed it. Period. We agree on this 100%...the problem is that JPR doesn't and still doesn't see what she did as being wrong and still feels justified.


Edited to add: And I'm going to stop replying to your posts because it looks like I'm 1 message behind every time. haha
I like agreeing with you :)
 
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