2026 Overseas Political Thread

[80watts]

Nobody confirms those numbers that Hamas-controlled agencies provide. Hamas started this war with their slaughter, torture, hostage taking and rapes on October 7. Hamas knew Israel would retaliate, but have no concern for civilians - either Israeli, or Palestinian. Put the blame for everything in Gaza where it belongs - on Hamas, who have never wanted anything but the total destruction of Israel, and have rejected every attempt at peace. Free Palestine - From Hamas.

Also, as far as aid - The Philadelphia corridor exists along the Egypt/Gaza border. Ever wonder why the Egyptians are keeping their border tightly controlled, and limit aid to Gaza?

Its one thing to start something, and have the other person knock you down on the ground. Its another thing to keep kicking and kicking and kicking when that person is down....You see Israel is the bully now and they are kicking, kicking and kicking..... Until a bigger bully comes along and tells them to stop.

That border is closed because of the shit the Palestinians create in other Muslim countries. The Egyptian government (who are muslim) do not want what the Palestinians are selling.... Pls note Jordan had a civil conflict between the king and the PLO, because they caused trouble in their country.
But hey, lets see, 1948, 67, 72, and the 80s and 90s the Israeli won their conflicts with the other Muslim countries and kicked their asses.

The big problem here is after so many years of getting kicked and kicked the Palestinians have a certain mindset... And so do the Israelis....

Alot of money came from Europe to help Gaza, and what did they do with it, bought weapons... I wonder what that place would be like if they educated people, and gave them jobs and helped them become grow successful businesses.... u know gave them a future.... instead of violence...

 

[the_world_depression]

That border is closed because of the shit the Palestinians create in other Muslim countries. The Egyptian government (who are muslim) do not want what the Palestinians are selling.... Pls note Jordan had a civil conflict between the king and the PLO, because they caused trouble in their country.
But hey, lets see, 1948, 67, 72, and the 80s and 90s the Israeli won their conflicts with the other Muslim countries and kicked their asses.

This is frankly very twisted rhetoric. It's like if I go to your house, steal your living room, beat the crap out of you and then say "Hey, why didn't your brother take you in? You must be a pretty bad person if your brother didn't take you in while I'm stealing your house".

Edit: Not to say to you, but I mean the rhetoric of that Palestinians should leave their land. In the end, this issue is about colonizers/settlers coming into the land and stealing it from the people living there before.

 

[80watts]

This is frankly very twisted rhetoric. It's like if I go to your house, steal your living room, beat the crap out of you and then say "Hey, why didn't your brother take you in? You must be a pretty bad person if your brother didn't take you in while I'm stealing your house".

Edit: Not to say to you, but I mean the rhetoric of that Palestinians should leave their land. In the end, this issue is about colonizers/settlers coming into the land and stealing it from the people living there before.

I have said the problem right now is (the last few years) :
"Its one thing to start something (meaning HAMAS), and have the other person (Israel) knock you down on the ground. Its another thing to keep kicking and kicking and kicking when that person is down....You see Israel is the bully now and they are kicking, kicking and kicking..... Until a bigger bully comes along and tells them to stop."

I've never said the Palestinians should leave their land. I'm just saying they are trouble makers where ever they tend to go.

Well if you want written records, the best record is the Bible. Written by various jewish guys and gals. Their god gave them the land... The romans tossed them off the land for being bad faith renters.... Then came Christianity (using the same god), and later came Islam (also using the same god). So the god of the Jews, Christians and Islam gave the land to the jews first. I would rather say the land belongs to the Jews. If you are a devout Muslim how can you go against the wishes of your god....

WW2 happens. Jewish Holocaust.... Winners of WW2 wanted an answer to the Jewish problem in Europe. British were in charge of the area of Palestine from the old Ottoman Empire... Both Jewish and Palestinians lived there. In the 1920s both Jewish and Palestinians (Muslim faith), started gang wars, what happened was the families that were tolerant of others were wiped out by their own people.
The British were trying to divide up the land between the 2 factions (Jewish and Palestinians). After much debate the Palestinians refused the borders (where Jewish people came off with the desert, and the Palestinians got the green land). The British left. The jews formed Israel under the old British plan in 1948 in the desert area.
Egypt, Syria, Jordan went to war with a state called Israel, they lost. The land belongs to Israel, because they fought and won it. Israel then made the desert a green place...

"this issue is about colonizers/settlers coming into the land and stealing it from the people living there before." (Canada comes to mind here)

People have got to get this "colonization shit" out of their heads. Some how, people are thinking if someone colonized the land, they stole the land. Not true. Its a good bet they killed the local inhabitants. Ancient warfare, look up Greek Colonies.

In 1948 the immediate neighbours of Israel went to war with Israel and they lost.
They were conquered. And the conqueror gets the land. The land goes to the conqueror because he won it. You either win or you lose....You go to the poker table, you either win or you lose.....

When you want to fuck with someone, better make sure you win, or you are the one getting fucked. The Palestinians were always getting fucked. Every time a Muslim country or Palestinian tried to fuck with Israel, Israel paid them back multiple times. This has been happening since 1948.

In poker does the house gives it winnings back to you after you lost it in a game of chance. The answer is NO....

People have to "shake off" their kindergarten mentality, If I lose something the adults will give it back... OMFG!!!!

The Palestinians throw little darts (a hell lots of darts) and Israel responds back with bomb and bombs and more bombs...
There is alot of hate on both side of this issue. Anybody saying that there is no hate, is a fucken liar and is deluding their selves over this conflict.

The internal land grab by jewish people/government creating new settlements is wrong. Because these Palestinians are actually Israel citizens.

 

[the_world_depression]

I have said the problem right now is (the last few years) :
"Its one thing to start something (meaning HAMAS), and have the other person (Israel) knock you down on the ground. Its another thing to keep kicking and kicking and kicking when that person is down....You see Israel is the bully now and they are kicking, kicking and kicking..... Until a bigger bully comes along and tells them to stop."

I've never said the Palestinians should leave their land. I'm just saying they are trouble makers where ever they tend to go.

Well if you want written records, the best record is the Bible. Written by various jewish guys and gals. Their god gave them the land... The romans tossed them off the land for being bad faith renters.... Then came Christianity (using the same god), and later came Islam (also using the same god). So the god of the Jews, Christians and Islam gave the land to the jews first. I would rather say the land belongs to the Jews. If you are a devout Muslim how can you go against the wishes of your god....

WW2 happens. Jewish Holocaust.... Winners of WW2 wanted an answer to the Jewish problem in Europe. British were in charge of the area of Palestine from the old Ottoman Empire... Both Jewish and Palestinians lived there. In the 1920s both Jewish and Palestinians (Muslim faith), started gang wars, what happened was the families that were tolerant of others were wiped out by their own people.
The British were trying to divide up the land between the 2 factions (Jewish and Palestinians). After much debate the Palestinians refused the borders (where Jewish people came off with the desert, and the Palestinians got the green land). The British left. The jews formed Israel under the old British plan in 1948 in the desert area.
Egypt, Syria, Jordan went to war with a state called Israel, they lost. The land belongs to Israel, because they fought and won it. Israel then made the desert a green place...

"this issue is about colonizers/settlers coming into the land and stealing it from the people living there before." (Canada comes to mind here)

People have got to get this "colonization shit" out of their heads. Some how, people are thinking if someone colonized the land, they stole the land. Not true. Its a good bet they killed the local inhabitants. Ancient warfare, look up Greek Colonies.

In 1948 the immediate neighbours of Israel went to war with Israel and they lost.
They were conquered. And the conqueror gets the land. The land goes to the conqueror because he won it. You either win or you lose....You go to the poker table, you either win or you lose.....

When you want to fuck with someone, better make sure you win, or you are the one getting fucked. The Palestinians were always getting fucked. Every time a Muslim country or Palestinian tried to fuck with Israel, Israel paid them back multiple times. This has been happening since 1948.

In poker does the house gives it winnings back to you after you lost it in a game of chance. The answer is NO....

People have to "shake off" their kindergarten mentality, If I lose something the adults will give it back... OMFG!!!!

The Palestinians throw little darts (a hell lots of darts) and Israel responds back with bomb and bombs and more bombs...
There is alot of hate on both side of this issue. Anybody saying that there is no hate, is a fucken liar and is deluding their selves over this conflict.

The internal land grab by jewish people/government creating new settlements is wrong. Because these Palestinians are actually Israel citizens.

I think this is ultimately a matter between MIGHT and MORALITY. I agree that based on MIGHT, then yes, the entity is there and realities on the ground is what it is. But to suggest they have any morality is ridiculous. I can go point by point.

I don't think you can really say Palestinians are trouble makers wherever they go because they have been traumatized by their expulsion from their homeland. To suggest that somehow they deserve to be expelled from their homeland because they are trouble makers wherever they go is even worse. If you apply the same kind of reasoning, I know a certain group that has been kicked out of every country they've ever been in. Are they also trouble makers wherever they go? So much of the rhetoric used on Palestinians is EXACTLY the rhetoric the Nazis used on Jews.

On the records in the bible, where God gives the land to them, I've read though the passages. Even the first time the land of was given, it was based on genoc and ethnic cleansing.

Exodus 3:17 - And I have promised to bring you up out of your misery in Egypt into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—a land flowing with milk and honey.’

Deuteronomy 20:17 - Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.

And so on and so on, there's a lot of passages like this. So even the FIRST TIME when God gives them the land, it was said explicitly that these lands were already populated, and ethnic cleansing/genoc was required before the land would be taken. And again, just because its in the Bible, does it make it right? What if Confucius said Canada belonged to China 2500 years ago, would it give China the right to annex part of Canada lol?

Ultimately the British were shit stirrers and it was not their right to carve up the land and cause division in this way (of course that's why they do it). If it was reparations for what the Jews experienced in Europe, it would have been taken from German land, or allow them to resettle in the UK or the US midwest. The Palestinians did nothing wrong and they did not deserve to have their land taken.

On "kindergarden mentality", I mean, yes, it is true, but there are large sections of history where we have applied "moral conclusions" that would need to be revised for consistency if that is the case.

Edit: In any case, there is not much anyone can do about the situation, we just have to wait on the 80 years curse. And I don't think things will get better then because when the entity inevitably collapses, all those crazy brainwashed people are gonna flood into the west, which is why the plan is probably to move them to South America (Argentina, etc).

 

[Ray]

Egypt put up barriers so Israel couldn't carry out it's ethnic cleansing onto Egyptian territory,

 

[80watts]

I think this is ultimately a matter between MIGHT and MORALITY. I agree that based on MIGHT, then yes, the entity is there and realities on the ground is what it is. But to suggest they have any morality is ridiculous. I can go point by point.

I don't think you can really say Palestinians are trouble makers wherever they go because they have been traumatized by their expulsion from their homeland. To suggest that somehow they deserve to be expelled from their homeland because they are trouble makers wherever they go is even worse. If you apply the same kind of reasoning, I know a certain group that has been kicked out of every country they've ever been in. Are they also trouble makers wherever they go? So much of the rhetoric used on Palestinians is EXACTLY the rhetoric the Nazis used on Jews.

On the records in the bible, where God gives the land to them, I've read though the passages. Even the first time the land of was given, it was based on genoc and ethnic cleansing.

Exodus 3:17 - And I have promised to bring you up out of your misery in Egypt into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—a land flowing with milk and honey.’

Deuteronomy 20:17 - Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.

And so on and so on, there's a lot of passages like this. So even the FIRST TIME when God gives them the land, it was said explicitly that these lands were already populated, and ethnic cleansing/genoc was required before the land would be taken. And again, just because its in the Bible, does it make it right? What if Confucius said Canada belonged to China 2500 years ago, would it give China the right to annex part of Canada lol?

Ultimately the British were shit stirrers and it was not their right to carve up the land and cause division in this way (of course that's why they do it). If it was reparations for what the Jews experienced in Europe, it would have been taken from German land, or allow them to resettle in the UK or the US midwest. The Palestinians did nothing wrong and they did not deserve to have their land taken.

On "kindergarden mentality", I mean, yes, it is true, but there are large sections of history where we have applied "moral conclusions" that would need to be revised for consistency if that is the case.

Edit: In any case, there is not much anyone can do about the situation, we just have to wait on the 80 years curse. And I don't think things will get better then because when the entity inevitably collapses, all those crazy brainwashed people are gonna flood into the west, which is why the plan is probably to move them to South America (Argentina, etc).

MORALITY--- pls point out where I was talking about morality. I dont think I mentioned that in this thread.

In the area of under British rule in the Gaza strip, Israel, West Bank, there were a good number of Jews.

"By the end of the British Mandate in 1948, the Jewish population in Palestine was approximately 650,000, representing about one-third of the total population.
Population Growth and Immigration

• 1914 (Ottoman period): 55,000 Jews (~8%)
• 1922–1931: Gradual increase due to immigration
• 1941: 488,600 Jews (~31% of settled population)
• 1945–1946: 608,230 Jews (~33–36% depending on source)
• 1947–1948: 614,000–650,000 Jews (~31.5% of total population)
  The Jewish population in British Mandate Palestine thus grew from a small minority to a substantial community, setting the stage for the demographic and political changes leading to the establishment of Israel in 1948"

If you don't think Palestinians are trouble makers. Look at the orgins of HAMAS, the PLO, and Hezbollah, the clash of Jordan vs Palestinian refugees etc. Since the forming of the state of Israel in 1948, its been 3-4 generations that have been causing troubles for Israel.

 

[the_world_depression]

If you don't think Palestinians are trouble makers. Look at the orgins of HAMAS, the PLO, and Hezbollah, the clash of Jordan vs Palestinian refugees etc. Since the forming of the state of Israel in 1948, its been 3-4 generations that have been causing troubles for Israel.

At this point there's really no point to discuss things lol. We just gotta wait for the boomers to die off and then the entity will end. It's going to collapse anyways, it's just a matter of how much misery and suffering and death it inflicts before it collapses, and where those maniacs will go next to inflict more misery on which host they find next.

 

[carvesg]

If you listen to Carney's earlier whole speech carefully, you will see he means new world economic order. He refers to the powerful countries using their economic strength as weapons of subjugation. And yes, that does translate into war. Think the US putting economic pressure on Europe and Canada for not going along with the Iran war. Carney's reference to the new world order is that the economic order of the Canada and the world must change to adjust to the behavior of the world's most powerful countries. The US has enormous economic leverage over Europe and Canada, while China has enormous economic leverage in Asia and Australia. These dependencies must change, or countries will be subjugated by these big powers.

Regarding Isreal, what do you expect Canada to do? How is it Carney's fault that the US keep supplying arms and supporting Isreal in its genocidal actions? He can't do anything to stop that.

I agree with you for the majority of what you are pointing out and stating but I would have expected better from Carney when Canadian citizens from the flotilla carrying food and medicine to Gaza were stopped illegally in international waters, illegally detained , beaten, intimidated and sexually assaulted without real repercussions , sustained outcry , demanding persecution and shaming of the Israeli minister Ben Gvir.

Canada should stop selling armament to Israel not that we sell much to them . It would be more or less an inconvenience for the Israeli but good enough to send a message

Canada is timid and tip toeing around the genocidal Israeli government instead of being vocal about it. They are so afraid of being called anti-Semitic even though Jewishness and Zionism are not mutually exclusive.

 

[80watts]

If you listen to Carney's earlier whole speech carefully, you will see he means new world economic order. He refers to the powerful countries using their economic strength as weapons of subjugation. And yes, that does translate into war. Think the US putting economic pressure on Europe and Canada for not going along with the Iran war. Carney's reference to the new world order is that the economic order of the Canada and the world must change to adjust to the behavior of the world's most powerful countries. The US has enormous economic leverage over Europe and Canada, while China has enormous economic leverage in Asia and Australia. These dependencies must change, or countries will be subjugated by these big powers.

Regarding Isreal, what do you expect Canada to do? How is it Carney's fault that the US keep supplying arms and supporting Isreal in its genocidal actions? He can't do anything to stop that.

Just say bombed by predator drones.

Really bombing some building in another country without declaring war is what? Its fucken murder....
Can't wait for that to happen to Canada... Just wait for it.

economic strength as weapons of subjugation

That is a neat saying. Let look at Africa.

Hundreds of years ago the West bought slaves from Africa to do the manual labour in England/Europe and in the new world (N and S America). When the slave trade ended for the West, European countries colonized Africa, exploited the people and resources, all to make money....

For the cold war: the West vs East game. Capitalism vs Communism....Every time a African government got too powerful the West & Communist countries cut it down by using fringe groups, suppling rebels with weapons to keep African Governments unstable.

The people of Africa now know the tricks the rest of the world uses to hold them back.... What happens when they get their act together...

 

[80watts]

At this point there's really no point to discuss things lol. We just gotta wait for the boomers to die off and then the entity will end. It's going to collapse anyways, it's just a matter of how much misery and suffering and death it inflicts before it collapses, and where those maniacs will go next to inflict more misery on which host they find next.

Are you talking about Palestinians or Israelites? Who is the entity?

Are you saying Israel will collapse?

Say exactly what you mean, don't beat about the bush being shy......

 

[80watts]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VM176bCQ2s0

 

[80watts]

Update about Ukraine, but its more about the weapons being used. Drones.

WW2 was about armies fighting in the fields and air.
The cold war was about how smaller nations fought bigger nations with guerrilla warfare.
The supremacy of US forces was its technological superiority over other nations. 1990 onward.
The Ukraine war is about the use of drones against a superior army and air force, using anti-tank weapons and anti-air missiles and un-maned drones to take out more expensive equipment like tanks, airplanes and ships.
Now Ukraine is teaching drone warfare to Persian gulf states. Look at the Big Bad US Navy and how drones are keeping a carrier fleet from holding the Straits of Hormuz...
Now think about nations or terrorist groups that possess drones in mass number (at sea lane choke points) that could resist against a US Carrier Fleet (Blue water Fleet).
From WW2 (except for US Carriers), most of it big blue fleet went from Battleships and large Cruisers, went to smaller ships (with missiles and Ciwis) like the Arleigh Burke ships. Now they are going for smaller Frigates (althought the Destroyer has gotten bigger). The idea is that you don't lose a large ship that cost billions, to a drone; to ships that cost 50 million or less (that somewhat can do the same job), as the large ship. Small missile fast attack boats or special forces boats that can drop off marines etc. eg swedish CV-90.

The reality you need a large Amphibious Assault ship that can carry stuff like a CV-90 (4-5 of them), plus your air superiority in F-35 and V-22 Osprey for air support. The Amphibious ship is used to cross oceans and the smaller ship for internal waters.
Arctic conditions for year round would require hovercraft that can move over ice and water.

 

[Larry's Torch]

At this point there's really no point to discuss things lol. We just gotta wait for the boomers to die off and then the entity will end.
(snip)

Clearly not paying attention.
Do you have any idea how many angry young people are out there in that area of the world? How many entire families have been obliterated? Guess how easy it'll be for some of these people to be recruited for revenge.
Not everyone will go down that road, but some will.

 

[licks2nite]

Just 43% of the world’s countries have fertility rates above the replacement threshold of 2.1 children per woman.

 

[80watts]

All those in blue have serious economic factors that prohibit more than 1 kid... Seriously if you have 3 kids you are going to put yourself into the poor house on a average Cdn income on 92,000.00 a year. 90-120,000 for Toronto and Vancouver....

 

[YYC]

All those in blue have serious economic factors that prohibit more than 1 kid... Seriously if you have 3 kids you are going to put yourself into the poor house on a average Cdn income on 92,000.00 a year. 90-120,000 for Toronto and Vancouver....

and all those in yellow are impoverished, historically underperforming economies where men put their seed in as many woman as humanly possible on the hope that one of their multitude of children will take them in when they are too old to look after themselves.

 

[Ray]

It's also pointing out the gap between industrialized nations and non-industrialized/ exploited for resources.

 

[80watts]

Canada being exploited for its resources.