2026 Overseas Political Thread

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Nobody confirms those numbers that Hamas-controlled agencies provide. Hamas started this war with their slaughter, torture, hostage taking and rapes on October 7. Hamas knew Israel would retaliate, but have no concern for civilians - either Israeli, or Palestinian. Put the blame for everything in Gaza where it belongs - on Hamas, who have never wanted anything but the total destruction of Israel, and have rejected every attempt at peace. Free Palestine - From Hamas.

Also, as far as aid - The Philadelphia corridor exists along the Egypt/Gaza border. Ever wonder why the Egyptians are keeping their border tightly controlled, and limit aid to Gaza?
Its one thing to start something, and have the other person knock you down on the ground. Its another thing to keep kicking and kicking and kicking when that person is down....You see Israel is the bully now and they are kicking, kicking and kicking..... Until a bigger bully comes along and tells them to stop.

That border is closed because of the shit the Palestinians create in other Muslim countries. The Egyptian government (who are muslim) do not want what the Palestinians are selling.... Pls note Jordan had a civil conflict between the king and the PLO, because they caused trouble in their country.
But hey, lets see, 1948, 67, 72, and the 80s and 90s the Israeli won their conflicts with the other Muslim countries and kicked their asses.

The big problem here is after so many years of getting kicked and kicked the Palestinians have a certain mindset... And so do the Israelis....

Alot of money came from Europe to help Gaza, and what did they do with it, bought weapons... I wonder what that place would be like if they educated people, and gave them jobs and helped them become grow successful businesses.... u know gave them a future.... instead of violence...
 
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That border is closed because of the shit the Palestinians create in other Muslim countries. The Egyptian government (who are muslim) do not want what the Palestinians are selling.... Pls note Jordan had a civil conflict between the king and the PLO, because they caused trouble in their country.
But hey, lets see, 1948, 67, 72, and the 80s and 90s the Israeli won their conflicts with the other Muslim countries and kicked their asses.
This is frankly very twisted rhetoric. It's like if I go to your house, steal your living room, beat the crap out of you and then say "Hey, why didn't your brother take you in? You must be a pretty bad person if your brother didn't take you in while I'm stealing your house".

Edit: Not to say to you, but I mean the rhetoric of that Palestinians should leave their land. In the end, this issue is about colonizers/settlers coming into the land and stealing it from the people living there before.
 
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This is frankly very twisted rhetoric. It's like if I go to your house, steal your living room, beat the crap out of you and then say "Hey, why didn't your brother take you in? You must be a pretty bad person if your brother didn't take you in while I'm stealing your house".

Edit: Not to say to you, but I mean the rhetoric of that Palestinians should leave their land. In the end, this issue is about colonizers/settlers coming into the land and stealing it from the people living there before.
I have said the problem right now is (the last few years) :
"Its one thing to start something (meaning HAMAS), and have the other person (Israel) knock you down on the ground. Its another thing to keep kicking and kicking and kicking when that person is down....You see Israel is the bully now and they are kicking, kicking and kicking..... Until a bigger bully comes along and tells them to stop."

I've never said the Palestinians should leave their land. I'm just saying they are trouble makers where ever they tend to go.

Well if you want written records, the best record is the Bible. Written by various jewish guys and gals. Their god gave them the land... The romans tossed them off the land for being bad faith renters.... Then came Christianity (using the same god), and later came Islam (also using the same god). So the god of the Jews, Christians and Islam gave the land to the jews first. I would rather say the land belongs to the Jews. If you are a devout Muslim how can you go against the wishes of your god....

WW2 happens. Jewish Holocaust.... Winners of WW2 wanted an answer to the Jewish problem in Europe. British were in charge of the area of Palestine from the old Ottoman Empire... Both Jewish and Palestinians lived there. In the 1920s both Jewish and Palestinians (Muslim faith), started gang wars, what happened was the families that were tolerant of others were wiped out by their own people.
The British were trying to divide up the land between the 2 factions (Jewish and Palestinians). After much debate the Palestinians refused the borders (where Jewish people came off with the desert, and the Palestinians got the green land). The British left. The jews formed Israel under the old British plan in 1948 in the desert area.
Egypt, Syria, Jordan went to war with a state called Israel, they lost. The land belongs to Israel, because they fought and won it. Israel then made the desert a green place...

"this issue is about colonizers/settlers coming into the land and stealing it from the people living there before." (Canada comes to mind here)

People have got to get this "colonization shit" out of their heads. Some how, people are thinking if someone colonized the land, they stole the land. Not true. Its a good bet they killed the local inhabitants. Ancient warfare, look up Greek Colonies.

In 1948 the immediate neighbours of Israel went to war with Israel and they lost.
They were conquered. And the conqueror gets the land. The land goes to the conqueror because he won it. You either win or you lose....You go to the poker table, you either win or you lose.....

When you want to fuck with someone, better make sure you win, or you are the one getting fucked. The Palestinians were always getting fucked. Every time a Muslim country or Palestinian tried to fuck with Israel, Israel paid them back multiple times. This has been happening since 1948.

In poker does the house gives it winnings back to you after you lost it in a game of chance. The answer is NO....

People have to "shake off" their kindergarten mentality, If I lose something the adults will give it back... OMFG!!!!

The Palestinians throw little darts (a hell lots of darts) and Israel responds back with bomb and bombs and more bombs...
There is alot of hate on both side of this issue. Anybody saying that there is no hate, is a fucken liar and is deluding their selves over this conflict.

The internal land grab by jewish people/government creating new settlements is wrong. Because these Palestinians are actually Israel citizens.
 
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