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masterpoonhunter

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As someone who's been in business since a teenager and been doing business now for 20+ years and work with M&A lawyers all over the world, I think people in Canada are really unaware of just how bad things are about to get.

To say that Canada is in a bad position would be a gross understatement. As for how politics plays into it, I've always been agnostic to political parties and I'm focused more on what's likely to produce results. Think of things from this point of view:

Rather than listening to any specific politician, list all the policies that group A will provide. Not their lip service, the actual plan, with specifics, with details. Show me who will be doing what and how? Then, use a level of intelligence and rational mechanisms to determine the viability of the plan. Also consider how it will fit into the grand scheme of things. When someone makes a promise to do A, there is a reaction or an effect on B and C and D. How will those effect people and does it make things better or worse in the country.

The other factor is that even if Party A or B makes a claim to do something, will they actually even do it?

Imagine dating someone and saying, "I'm going to be the partner who will take care of all the bills and provide a stable home." Someone agrees to go out with me, and then on day one, I'm making the other person pay for the bill, or we split the bill, or I pay for the bill, but I'm secretly stealing you and your family's jewelry, pawing it off and using that money to pay for dinner.

Anyway, there is no hope for Canada economically. The country cannot tax its citizens into success. Selling real estate isn't the answer either. The country has to produce and provide value higher than the amount of money that it spends. The country also needs to be an attractive place for people to want to do business. If it's not, they will go elsewhere. At the moment, that's exactly what's happening right now, in a big way.


The main problem in Canada is like a student who borrowed money to go to med school, accumulated massive debt, and then flunked out of med school. Now, the student has med school sized debt, but no ability to earn the necessary money to pay it back. Instead of being responsible and finding a solution, they started borrowing money from other people to support their coke habit and they're now old, beat up, in poor health, with massive amounts of debt that's only getting worse.
Put it this way, if Canada was a person, you wouldn't invest in them, you'd perhaps feel sorry for them, standing on the corner with a tin can and a cardboard sign.
Good Lord
What a voice of utter doom.
Reading this just had me putting on sad country music, reaching for the bottle and the gun at the same time.
 
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The other factor is that even if Party A or B makes a claim to do something, will they actually do it
Trump changes his mind from one minute to the next. There is no long term strategy or plan. He contradicts himself constantly. Any policy he has is based on whatever he thinks will appeal to his base.
It’s almost impossible to strategize against him.
 
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In radio News:
Carney in Ukraine promises money for Ukraine to buy US weapon systems. Boo. Make weapon systems yourself.🇨🇦
 

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Are there any gated communities in Canada?
My aunt and uncle lived in one in Florida and it was very nice and safe.
My nice old neighborhood is now overrun with bums. There are constant breakins where there were never any a few years ago.
A friend who is a single mom had squatters move into her garage.
Another had people sleeping on her deck.
We need castle laws.

Canada is at a breaking point.
There is no respect for other people’s property anymore. We saw two shoplifters in Shopper’s Drug Mart stuffing their backpacks. They got kicked out. And then we saw them ten minutes later doing it at Winners. A demographic habituated to getting money for nothing. Zero consequences.
Cops won’t even respond because they know a judge won’t punish the criminals. And they’ll be stealing again in hours.
And if you challenge these scum they will stab you or kill you, so I don’t blame store staff.

Last year a friend was at a checkout with her ten year old grandson. A meth head robbed the cashier at knifepoint and lunged AT THE TEN YEAR OLD with the knife.
No excuse, just throw that asshole down a hole.
But if it had made the news the story would be about the poor addict’s struggle, not the trauma the little kid faced.

Then we see our tax dollars being wasted on bums getting babysat by fire and paramedics…some asshole in a bus shack at Unicity being pampered for 20 minutes by four firemen and two paramedics. How much did that cost? And how many other calls were delayed because WFPS were tied up?

GF wants to move to Puerto Vallarta. It’s looking better and better.
 
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Are there any gated communities in Canada?
My aunt and uncle lived in one in Florida and it was very nice and safe.
My nice old neighborhood is now overrun with bums. There are constant breakins where there were never any a few years ago.
A friend who is a single mom had squatters move into her garage.
Another had people sleeping on her deck.
We need castle laws.

Canada is at a breaking point.
There is no respect for other people’s property anymore. We saw two shoplifters in Shopper’s Drug Mart stuffing their backpacks. They got kicked out. And then we saw them ten minutes later doing it at Winners. A demographic habituated to getting money for nothing. Zero consequences.
Cops won’t even respond because they know a judge won’t punish the criminals. And they’ll be stealing again in hours.
And if you challenge these scum they will stab you or kill you, so I don’t blame store staff.

Last year a friend was at a checkout with her ten year old grandson. A meth head robbed the cashier at knifepoint and lunged AT THE TEN YEAR OLD with the knife.
No excuse, just throw that asshole down a hole.
But if it had made the news the story would be about the poor addict’s struggle, not the trauma the little kid faced.

Then we see our tax dollars being wasted on bums getting babysat by fire and paramedics…some asshole in a bus shack at Unicity being pampered for 20 minutes by four firemen and two paramedics. How much did that cost? And how many other calls were delayed because WFPS were tied up?

GF wants to move to Puerto Vallarta. It’s looking better and better.
As long as the political left is in control it will only get worse and not better. I see it every day and I have become desensitized to it and just accept it as normal.
 

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The problem isn’t the left lol. The problem is the lack of safe affordable housing and a lack of mental health help. And long waits to get any kind of help. It’s a problem that is multi layered. When the right gets in power, they shut down social programs, don’t build housing and privatize everything lol. Don’t blame the left for the mess we’re in. Harper and the liberals are both responsible for right now. Btw the liberals are not left. They’ve always been a little left of center but they’re center.

In vancouver because we have the nicest weather all year round in Canada, we’ve always had the problems you’re talking. We get everybody else’s homeless.

Yes Canada has gated communities. There’s a gated community right across from my dog park. There’s gated communities in west Van. Probably not as big as Florida's and it’s only the rich that have them but we have them.
 

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The problem isn’t the left lol. The problem is the lack of safe affordable housing and a lack of mental health help. And long waits to get any kind of help. It’s a problem that is multi layered. When the right gets in power, they shut down social programs, don’t build housing and privatize everything lol. Don’t blame the left for the mess we’re in. Harper and the liberals are both responsible for right now. Btw the liberals are not left. They’ve always been a little left of center but they’re center.

In vancouver because we have the nicest weather all year round in Canada, we’ve always had the problems you’re talking. We get everybody else’s homeless.

Yes Canada has gated communities. There’s a gated community right across from my dog park. There’s gated communities in west Van. Probably not as big as Florida's and it’s only the rich that have them but we have them.
Yes homelessness is all that and the fact that for 2 decades Alberta and Saskatchewan were sending their troublesome homeless people on buses and trains to Vancouver with pocket money for the journey . They got caught doing that and resumed months later repeating the process . I don't know what the status is
about those shenanigans by now.
 
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My best friend's grandson had a maniac jab a knife in his face.
That was not Harper's fault.
It wasn't Doug Ford's fault.
It was the decision of the vicious maniac wielding the knife.

Making excuses for that woman is only enabling her.
She will continue to be a menace to normal hardworking people until she is removed from society.
Who will be blamed when she stabs a cashier at Dollarama? She's the one with the knife in her hand, but it won't be her fault?
If she had killed that little boy would anyone care? Or would we be hearing bullshit like we hear about Vince Li, oh dear, poor fellow, he has to live with what he did...

If someone commits a crime they need to go to jail. No more "not criminally responsible". No more handouts to junkies. Maybe they should face the consequences of doing drugs eh? If they break into my garage or threaten my family they instantly lose any right to sympathy. Wave a knife in my grandson's face and I will kill you.
It's coming.
The charges against the homeowner who beat an intruder are a turning point. If we can't defend ourselves in our own homes when our families are in danger then civilisation is done.

I used to be a far left bleeding heart. It's easy to blame others.
But we have done this to ourselves.
 

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My best friend's grandson had a maniac jab a knife in his face.
That was not Harper's fault.
It wasn't Doug Ford's fault.
It was the decision of the vicious maniac wielding the knife.

Making excuses for that woman is only enabling her.
She will continue to be a menace to normal hardworking people until she is removed from society.
Who will be blamed when she stabs a cashier at Dollarama? She's the one with the knife in her hand, but it won't be her fault?
If she had killed that little boy would anyone care? Or would we be hearing bullshit like we hear about Vince Li, oh dear, poor fellow, he has to live with what he did...

If someone commits a crime they need to go to jail. No more "not criminally responsible". No more handouts to junkies. Maybe they should face the consequences of doing drugs eh? If they break into my garage or threaten my family they instantly lose any right to sympathy. Wave a knife in my grandson's face and I will kill you.
It's coming.
The charges against the homeowner who beat an intruder are a turning point. If we can't defend ourselves in our own homes when our families are in danger then civilisation is done.

I used to be a far left bleeding heart. It's easy to blame others.
But we have done this to ourselves.
I think a healthy society looks after its people. Addiction is just a symptom of a bigger issue. Happy, healthy, spiritually fit people don’t become heroin addicts

When I was a young girl (10), we came home to find a junkie in our house. Our dog was going crazy before we even parked. He knew something was off. The lady in our house was an absolute mess. I felt really bad for her. She gave us a sob story. But she was also obviously really beat up by life. We still called the cops and she took off. My hippie dad wasn’t about to physically restrain her lol.

I think she deserved to get arrested and hopefully get the help she needed. Do the crime, absolutely do the time.

But we need to fix all the underlying issues and none of that is an easy fix. We need more free mental health help, affordable housing, and affordable groceries. Those 3 fixes will go a long way to our addiction problems. It’s almost impossible to get clean, get a job, change your life around living on the streets without support
 

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Yeah, there absolutely needs to be places for mentally ill for the safety of those inside and outside.
It would probably be cheaper for taxpayers in the long run. I bet a huge portion of police costs are incurred by a very tiny minority of constant re- offenders. Same with fire/paramedic costs.
The guy in the bus shack I mentioned, the firemen knew him by name. So they’re familiar with him.

re mental health: my doctor retired and I only got a new one because a friend’s kid is a newbie doctor.
 
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Asked about Chinese ferry deal, Gregor Robertson says 'Buy Canada' policy needs work

https://www.biv.com/news/asked-abou...on-says-buy-canada-policy-needs-work-11122509

The federal minister dodged the question of stopping federal funding for 4 China built ferries ordered by BC Ferries board of directors in favour of funding several minor recycling options. By "needing work" Robertson seems to say retroactive changes in Investment Bank funding to keep ferry construction in Canada aren't coming in time.
 

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Asked about Chinese ferry deal, Gregor Robertson says 'Buy Canada' policy needs work

https://www.biv.com/news/asked-abou...on-says-buy-canada-policy-needs-work-11122509

The federal minister dodged the question of stopping federal funding for 4 China built ferries ordered by BC Ferries board of directors in favour of funding several minor recycling options. By "needing work" Robertson seems to say retroactive changes in Investment Bank funding to keep ferry construction in Canada aren't coming in time.
Or
The shipbuilding industry has been so minimized the resources are not there in our country to build 4 ferries in a reasonable amount of time.
Sucks but its a corollary of the many years of all levels of government not getting infrastructure as the important thing it is.
 

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Carney looking to buy 12 German and South Korean diesel air independent submarines. The Swedish model sank the USS Ronald Regan 20 times in simulations off San Diago. Carney heard on radio News Trump took all the tariffs off Canada. Still want the billion dollar federal subsidy for Chinese ferries quashed for a Canadian shipyard. Davie shipyard said bidding process flawed and wants a chance to build for BC Ferries.
 

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Jesus, it just fucken cheaper, just like why everyone shops at Costco and Walmart.....

The product likely to come out of Davies will take 3X as long and cost 4X as much (Irving too, Vancouver is limited by space and its American owned). Mostly due to the lack of skilled trade workers (just like the US), and think about how lazy unionized workers in Canada are.

Time is money for a company, but here in Canada, workers are lazy.... known as the "Dockyard shuffle"....
The last major ship group was the CPF program in the 90s. The kingstons class just retired and they were built in the mid 90s, with the Arctic patrol vessels being made now (2019 ). Not enough ships were made in the last 40 years to keep shipbuilding current in Canada. So anytime a ship class comes along it cost more to produce. So now the CPF are in their 40s and you lost a generation of workers because all governments just slid (Lib and Con).

If you wanted a well built fishing vessel, you went to the states or overseas.

Wait a min no need for new fishing boats, the gov killed that industry too.
In Victoria there were at least 2 shipbuilding companies, now gone, in Vancouver there were 3-4, now gone or bought out by Americans.

Today no one shipyard has the facilities to build everything that is on a ship. It has to be outsourced...... Especially gearboxes, shaftlines and diesel engines. Canada dosen't make any of those things. Ship building in Canada is dead, dead and I say again fucken dead......

As I have said many times before Canada has no heavy industry left (well they make train cars and that is about it)...... Its all been killed off or sold off to foreign companies, as the previous owners saw more profit by selling out, then passing on to the next generation......

The fact that Davies, Irving and that American company(Vancouver shipyards) exist, is because of the maintenance done in those yards, and government handouts from the mid 1970s...

The heyday of manufacturing in Canada was in the 50 and 60s, Big Dams were built, and St Lawrence seaway was expanded. It takes a truck 2-3 times to go through Toronto because of traffic congestion. Any new bypasses are 20-30 years late.

All the provinces and Federal government are all behind by 30 years for transportation due to spiralling cost of labour and materials, so every thing gets delayed and bogged down by logistics.

Forestry is dead too. Just too many large trees cut down and replanting only started 40 years ago, not enough time for a tree to grow to maturity and be havested. Yes we still clear cut, but those are forest from the 1930s/40s they are cutting down now. The Scandanavian countries long ago did selected harvesting of their forest. When is Canada starting...

New mines and resources. You need to build roads and train tracks. The best bet is northern Canada in above Edmonton latitude. Problem is permafrost. Dig down in rock and insulate a road and heat with nuclear power electricity (with routes along high places) ???
Solar wont' work in winter.....Hydro is problematic in winter.....

Ahh Engineering challenges.... Just need the fucken politicians to take their heads out of their asses to listen to tech savy people....

The federal and provincial governments have to look at how they hand out contracts and to whom....
They also have to let mid to large businesses concentrate on making manufacturing work in Canada. Keep environmental laws for toxic substances used (so the shit companies just don't pour bad shit on the land....)
The F and P need to monitor the resources of Canada better especially mineral wealth, which is dug up cheaply and nothing really goes back to the government to make a difference...

And the big thing they have to do is kill patents. Patents cause monopolies, which for the monopoly creates immense wealth. Prices are too high and with Canadian labour rates makes Canadian businesses not competetive enough compared to other Western countries who held on to their heavy industry and manufacturing.

The other hand all materials are very expensive as they are manufactured in other countries and are limited in their scope for specific items needed by Canadian industry. eg. Plexi-glass and polycarbonate (made in US with a carbon source- most likes from crude oil... oh no maybe its from canada oil sands).....
 
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80watts, your Chinese social credit score likely so high Xi will offer you a free Uyghur organ transplant. Don't need to dis most offshore investment in Canada. The American owner of Seaspan shipyard likely supports a Canadian citizenship. The gas pipeline to Kitimat mostly owned offshore. Nothing much in the way of industry going to get built any other way. Offshore corporations trade in stocks. Canadians can buy in anytime.
 

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BC Lottery Corp. says it was 'ambushed' by Fintrac in money laundering investigation

https://www.biv.com/news/bc-lottery...ac-in-money-laundering-investigation-11134182

The same complaint Americans made in a fentanyl trafficking investigation where Canadian authorities notified the target an investigation underway. A crowded judicial system informs suspects of suspection hoping suspects clean up their act voluntary saving judicial expenses.
 

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BC Lottery Corp. says it was 'ambushed' by Fintrac in money laundering investigation

https://www.biv.com/news/bc-lottery...ac-in-money-laundering-investigation-11134182

The same complaint Americans made in a fentanyl trafficking investigation where Canadian authorities notified the target an investigation underway. A crowded judicial system informs suspects of suspection hoping suspects clean up their act voluntary saving judicial expenses.
I guess then governments should properly fund the judicial system. And yet, it all goes to police, so we overwhelm the public defenders and the sheriffs offices, as well as the prisons, and then people go free.

We’re so fixated on quick fixes that we can never get a government elected to do the actual hard work of trying to fix a broken system.

More community services, more early intervention, better mental health supports and more judicial funding. And that will still take a decade to start making an impact.

Meanwhile, crime rates have continued to drop and we’re still talking about stranger attacks as if they’re at an all time high.
 

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80watts, your Chinese social credit score likely so high Xi will offer you a free Uyghur organ transplant. Don't need to dis most offshore investment in Canada. The American owner of Seaspan shipyard likely supports a Canadian citizenship. The gas pipeline to Kitimat mostly owned offshore. Nothing much in the way of industry going to get built any other way. Offshore corporations trade in stocks. Canadians can buy in anytime.
China is the cheapest place to get a ship built in the world (BC Ferries). No other country in the world can match it including Canada. For the last 30 years American corporations were going to China to get cheaper products (import american owned products from china for high profits). China learned from their manufacturing and stealing of patents. Now those American corporations are moving out of China and going to India, Malaysia, Indonesia, because of Chinese aggressiveness towards expanding military and influence. Most engineering/designing is done by China and that has caused shortages in America and Canada and Europe cause it was cheaper to use China, instead of higher paid prices of engineers in their own country.

The name of the game is PROFIT and making money.

The movie Pretty woman. The billionaire bought companies and sold them off piecemeal to make money. The hooker saved the breakup of the company...
American corporations save money by breaking wages, hiring out work at cheaper rates, going to other countries (China, Mexico etc). Meanwhile the laid off workers need to find employment elsewhere.

In Canada this has been happening since the 1980s.

Ontario lost the car/vehicle manufacturing big time, all the while the big 3 were shutting down in Canada due to high wages. Since then Ontario has been surviving on gov contracts to keep it going.

The 1% in Canada (people who control 95% of the money) are not investing in Canada. The big 5 banks in Canada are not investing in Canada. Canada is resource country. So why haven't Canadians developed their own resources. Because the 1% like Carney don't want Canadians to develop its own resources. (as a side note the 1% are well connected to the civil service , even as far back as ww2). Maybe because they are invested in foreign companies that Canadian resources will make profit for them (global economy).
The1% want to use Canada's resources for future use (see Turd's use of environmentalism to slow any any of development in the west and any carbon resource). Newfoundland only got Hibernia, because it would then be less a burden on the Federal government. BC won't drill gas and oil off the Queen Charlotte Islands, cause it would be for future use. The tar sands have oil for the next 300 years. Right now Canada produces less that 2% of the Carbon emissions in the world and the fed gov is saying that is way too much, we have to cut back. In doing so it is killing the Cdn economy. Development of BC, AB, Sask, MB and the territories are not encouraged, in fact they are dissuaded by environmental concerns and paperwork (red tape).

The mining system is set to make money for the mining company. Any taxes that go towards government go into general revenue and there is no future funds when the mine stops.
So what happens when all the resources are gone in a couple hundred years? What happens to the people in Canada when its resources are gone|? We are still in boom/bust economies and the idea is slow growth of the economy, but many Canadians are falling behind, because the well paying jobs are disappearing.

IN the west and still today the Fed government concentrates it resources in Ontario and Quebec.

Foreign investments concentrates on water rights and mineral wealth.

Probally need to change the way minerals and carbon fuels are taxed, to keep the future wealth of Canada intact. Buy low Cdn price and sell high at world prices.... Stupid rules for EV vehicles when there is not enough electricity to power 20% of vehicles in Canada. you would need nuclear power to achieve this.

But hey politicians like to sell crown corporations off to their friends, and the future wealth of Canada.
 
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