2025 Canadian Political Thread

[80watts]

Military stuff
Please note any major items purchase (planes and ships and tanks) have to go through Parliment (cause its not in DND budget- personnal and maintenance and operational cost).
One thing this report dose not hit on is the repair of items/equipment. To save money on holding parts years ago the wiser and alknowning bean counters decided not to house too many items for the equipment they had, in order to close down a few bases/hangers/supply houses to save on heating cost in the winters. Then they went on to changing the supply system 3 times. Within 10 years everything was fucked up.
Today to save money they outsource repair (which takes weeks if not months) to repair a single vehicle (that is if they have the budget to fix the vehicle or spend money on part to the vehicle).
Some of these parts are patented items which are expensive.
The military should be allowed to make its own parts, to bring equipment back into service asap. It should have its own technicians to fix equipment on the spot to get the equipment back online ASAP.

Unfortunately the senior people have forgotten that things break down. Usually when you really need them.

When a unit has 100 tanks. You expect 40% looses (or so). There fore you should have 40-60% more tanks to make up for the loss. that is 140-160 tanks.
Now if you are expecting to use 100 tanks in peacetime and expect to be deployed anytime, you need 100 tanks to deploy.

Therefore if half the tanks are being in a maintenance cycle, you will need 200 tanks; to deploy 100 tanks.

So you will need in the end 240 to 260 tanks, for maintennance and loses.

Yes we have 78 tanks....

What has happened since the 70s is the depletion of major equipment in ships and tanks. Mostly though Liberal governments spending more and more on social reform and buying voters or lucrative deals for their Liberal buddies. (not saying that PC did the same shit, just less of it)

 

[thevalleydude]

Or put another way, 1 in 5 Americans do not think it should be up to Canadians to decide our own future. I'd like to say that is weirdly out of line with US thinking, just a MAGA byproduct, but it is not. There has always been a too-large portion of them who think it is their god given right to control how other nations live their lives. That 1 in 5 are the sort of people to just believe whatever the American exceptionalist cult tells them to believe - lies do not matter, because only satisfying their own egos is what counts.

The fentanyl issue now is fake (at least in respect to Canada's alleged role), just like Trump's "200 billion dollar subsidy" is fake, just like his "we should stop protecting them (as if there is anyone but them we need protection from)" is fake. Dealing with this US regime is like dealing with the mafia: "you owe us money when you don't, pay us protection or you shop might suddenly burn down". The way to beat them is to show you are not intimidated, and be ready to retaliate if they are dumb enough to attack. They have to know you are ready and willing to "go to the mattresses", and your own resolve & discipline is what wins this thing. Some bullies will back off at the first sign of resistance, others actually need to be cut up and sent to hospital before they will back off. But we should not feel any remorse for defending ourselves by any means necessary.

The 50% of Americans who oppose the idea are blindsided by this Canada thing - because it was literally conjured out of nothing, against a country they have never had any real problems with and which shows every sign of actually hating the idea along with anyone who proposes it. They're asking themselves "We have a problem with China, so we're attacking Canada, Mexico, Panama, and Denmark? WTF ?" The last time Canadian smuggling into the US was even a real issue was maybe100 years ago with bootleggers supplying them with booze during prohibition (and that was the US causing a problem for itself), and they likely know it. But the question is whether the 50% will just go along with something terrible (again), because they are also just too focused on themselves. That's why Canadian (and others) retaliation must take place, and should already be getting put into place: that 50% need to feel the shock of it personally, not be think this is some far-off foreign issue that does not affect their own lives. When their fuel costs double, when their own factories cannot produce products, when their own power grids start to fail, when their farmers cannot grow crops, then they will realize the price of their country attacking its own allies; then they will realize their enemies are still their enemies and all this did was create more; then they will blame the 20% who are assholes, start to fight them and throw them out of power.

As for the 20% of "Canadian" conservatives who support annexation, they just lost the right to call themselves Canadians. They should move away permanently, to live their American lives serving their American masters, on American soil.
Real Canadians are sick of their anti-Canadian antics and will not be tolerant or merciful this time to those who collaborate or conspire with with Canada's enemy.

I would beg to differ on the fentanyl issue. The only reason that the amount confiscated is so small is because of lack of enforcement at points of entry where they only have the equipment to scan 1% of all arriving containers and the distributors are well aware of that and the fact that Vancouver is a main point of entry and supply of the networks of labs set up by the cartels throughout the interior of BC and across Canada. It is actually a very serious problem and we should be just as concerned about it as the American governments....both Bidens and Trumps have been.

I would suggest you watch this video which shows that even the Biden Presidency was aware of the problems and that the Liberal government was so lax on enforcement that when they sent up their Secretary of State, Antony Blinken he talked to.....of all people.....the mayor of Port Coquitlam Brad West... who has been concerned about this problem and probably should have been the choice for Canada's drug czar.

This is beyond politics...its a serious issue for Canadians regardless of political affiliation.

 

[overdone]

I would beg to differ on the fentanyl issue. The only reason that the amount confiscated is so small is because of lack of enforcement at points of entry where they only have the equipment to scan 1% of all arriving containers and the distributors are well aware of that and the fact that Vancouver is a main point of entry and supply of the networks of labs set up by the cartels throughout the interior of BC and across Canada. It is actually a very serious problem and we should be just as concerned about it as the American governments....both Bidens and Trumps have been.

I would suggest you watch this video which shows that even the Biden Presidency was aware of the problems and that the Liberal government was so lax on enforcement that when they sent up their Secretary of State, Antony Blinken he talked to.....of all people.....the mayor of Port Coquitlam Brad West... who has been concerned about this problem and probably should have been the choice for Canada's drug czar.

This is beyond politics...its a serious issue for Canadians regardless of political affiliation.

and if you watch our newly annointed natural leader of the Liberal Party, aka the natural only choice for Canadian PM

Justin Carney

he said the other day to a group of cult members

that Fentanyl isn't an issue in Canada

despite the roughly 50,000 dead in the last 10 years of Liberal rule from overdose

 

[UhOh]

and if you watch our newly annointed natural leader of the Liberal Party, aka the natural only choice for Canadian PM

Justin Carney

he said the other day to a group of cult members

that Fentanyl isn't an issue in Canada

despite the roughly 50,000 dead in the last 10 years of Liberal rule from overdose

Of course there would never be another OD in Canada if trump bag licker poilievre were to become PM

 

[masterpoonhunter]

Why isn't the issue of the number of guns coming north from the states being put up by our duly elected officials a main talking point?

 

[westwoody]

Why isn't the issue of the number of guns coming north from the states being put up by our duly elected officials a main talking point?

Well guns are just an inanimate object and don’t really kill anyone.
Fentanyl is an inanimate powder and hunts people down so it can kill them.

 

[PuntMeister]

The Tariffs are coming! The Tariffs are coming!

Is Canada ready?

Unlikely…. Perhaps we don’t even understand our opponet’s viewpoint or resolve on this issue.

There is of course a multitude of shock, concern, and condemnation in the media and all across social platforms about the impending tariifs. In addition to our outrage, trips to Washington, preparation for counter-tariffs, and finally getting on with sprucing up border security, Canada is gradually starting to brace for impact. Initially many thought that tariffs were just a negotiating tactic, but now border security appears to mostly be a further justification for invoking national security measures, and a convenient by-product of tariff policies resulting in a gravy win for the US.

Many have argued that Trump doesn’t know what he is doing, and Eby, Trudeau, etc. stick to the narrative that tariffs will just end up harming the US. Regrettably, a lot of folks and politicians have underestimated the orange-man at their peril. There is strong evidence to the contrary—that tariffs can and do improve the balance of trade, overall economic strength, and revitalize industries diminished by low international commodity pricing.

It may come as a surprise to some that there has been a lot of thought, study, and testing of tariff impacts by the US, and the Trump administration in particular. Seriously folks, if Canadian politicians think this is just the deranged actions of a mad-man, they are likely doomed for a wakeup call and are naively spiralling Canada into further decline.

In particular, I would encourage those who think tariffs are ineffective, temporary negotiating tools, and only raise the price of goods for American consumers (or bring on recessions or hurt capital markets) to have a look at Stephen Miran’s research, and the lessons learned by the Whitehouse (both Republican and Democrats) resulting from the last steel and aluminum tariffs imposed. By the way, it sounds like the tariffs have been there for a long time, we just get exemptions.

Look, we Canadians want free trade, and we don’t like this protectionist direction at all. But I also hate to see us rattling our puny little sabres at irrelevant targets, making erroneous assumptions about how tariffs impact economies, and not understanding how this situation is likely to play out. Price inelasticity, currency devaluation effects, domestic industry and job growth outcomes all need much more attention imho. I’d like to see more in the media about understanding our opponent’s objectives and research, without all the biased rhetoric. We don’t have to agree with the coming tariffs, but simply concluding they are irrational and trying to convince a bully that he is stupid will cost us dearly. We need to understand our opponents a lot better, otherwise we are the stupid ones. History suggests that Trump’s tariffs will indeed revitalize the US steel and aluminum industries, pushing capacity utilization up 20-30%, and re-start investment in an otherwise diminishing sector perceived vital to US manufacturing and national security.

Yes, the tariffs are coming. Plan A isn’t going to save us. Canada ought to be thinking ahead and working on Plan B now. I’m not seeing it. EG: what is Canada’s strategy to invest in US-based production capacity? Huh? Will we leave it to the Koreans, Chineese, and Europeans to figure this out? Newsflash—they already have (at least the Koreans). Get ready for impact. The tariffs are coming!

A few fun Links…

https://thelogic.co/news/donald-trump-adviser-global-trading-system-change/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-she...-donald-j-trump-restores-section-232-tariffs/

https://www.hudsonbaycapital.com/do...o_Restructuring_the_Global_Trading_System.pdf

 

[carvesg]

Military stuff
Please note any major items purchase (planes and ships and tanks) have to go through Parliment (cause its not in DND budget- personnal and maintenance and operational cost).
One thing this report dose not hit on is the repair of items/equipment. To save money on holding parts years ago the wiser and alknowning bean counters decided not to house too many items for the equipment they had, in order to close down a few bases/hangers/supply houses to save on heating cost in the winters. Then they went on to changing the supply system 3 times. Within 10 years everything was fucked up.
Today to save money they outsource repair (which takes weeks if not months) to repair a single vehicle (that is if they have the budget to fix the vehicle or spend money on part to the vehicle).
Some of these parts are patented items which are expensive.
The military should be allowed to make its own parts, to bring equipment back into service asap. It should have its own technicians to fix equipment on the spot to get the equipment back online ASAP.

Unfortunately the senior people have forgotten that things break down. Usually when you really need them.

When a unit has 100 tanks. You expect 40% looses (or so). There fore you should have 40-60% more tanks to make up for the loss. that is 140-160 tanks.
Now if you are expecting to use 100 tanks in peacetime and expect to be deployed anytime, you need 100 tanks to deploy.

Therefore if half the tanks are being in a maintenance cycle, you will need 200 tanks; to deploy 100 tanks.

So you will need in the end 240 to 260 tanks, for maintennance and loses.

Yes we have 78 tanks....

What has happened since the 70s is the depletion of major equipment in ships and tanks. Mostly though Liberal governments spending more and more on social reform and buying voters or lucrative deals for their Liberal buddies. (not saying that PC did the same shit, just less of it)

All with you about the Canadian forces need. As for which political party should be blamed for it ? I don't agree with you as both parties when in power have mismanaged the appropriation of equipment for our forces and the way both parties handled veterans affairs for people that sacrificed for our country its a shame at times . None of them have a leg to stand on to be honest .

Our armed forces have been neglected for well over 4 decades at this point. If there would be a real big conflict we would be in big trouble. Hell... we used to have an aircraft carrier and working submarines... Australia with 2/3 of our population is better equipped than we are ...

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

Years ago I worked on a large building for the Canadian forces in ChilliWack, they modernized the entire thing spending 40 mil the very next year the entire base was shut down and relocated to Edmonton. These people don’t think about consequences, there should be a fully staffed base here, that atmospheric river cut us off from the rest of the country 👎🏻

 

[thevalleydude]

Of course there would never be another OD in Canada if trump bag licker poilievre were to become PM

So yeah...lets just not try to do anything about it. Good take.

 

[Crookedmember]

They are gangsters, felons, rapists and billionaires who are pillaging the country for their own personal gain. That's all that's going on in the United States.

Tariffs are just one of their distractions.

The only hope for that nation is it's likely some "woke" generals are thinking outside of the box.

 

[overdone]

Look, we Canadians want free trade, and we don’t like this protectionist direction at all.

sorry, that's not true

reality proves it

Legault said it again, just the other day, Dairy, non, non, absolutely not

liquor, labour, trucking, inside our own border

there is no free trade in that

same with the Dairy, eggs, butter, cheese, no free trade

all for a few thousand Canadians to benefit over the welfare of the rest

same with oil/gas/pipelines/power

Canadians like free trade when it's one sided

protectionist? haha

banking, airlines, telecoms, TV, could go on by why, the list is too fucking long

 

[overdone]

They are gangsters, felons, rapists and billionaires who are pillaging the country for their own personal gain. That's all that's going on in the United States.

Tariffs are just one of their distractions.

The only hope for that nation is it's likely some "woke" generals are thinking outside of the box.

the hope is next year midterms, the Dems taking their heads out of their asses and accept reality

they need to return to the middle and amputate their zealots

with policies that normal people can relate to

Trumpf didn't win a landslide, he won by a few points in most states, he won cause people didn't vote for the DEI Dem and their lack of policies

 

[PuntMeister]

sorry, that's not true

reality proves it

Legault said it again, just the other day, Dairy, non, non, absolutely not

liquor, labour, trucking, inside our own border

there is no free trade in that

same with the Dairy, eggs, butter, cheese, no free trade

all for a few thousand Canadians to benefit over the welfare of the rest

same with oil/gas/pipelines/power

Canadians like free trade when it's one sided

protectionist? haha

banking, airlines, telecoms, TV, could go on by why, the list is too fucking long

Good point. We are stupidly perpetuating inter-provincial trade barriers while whining when we get free trade clawbacks internationally.

Point taken.

 

[PuntMeister]

i needed a night to think about your post before replying. i considered giving some cred to what they are doing to their own county and the world, and the idea that they will incur economic short term pain for long term gain. I felt sick.
There is nothing that they are doing that makes any sense to anyone except for half the US ( so far....and will drop in months to come ) and extreme right factions around the world.
The US relies heavily on imported steel and aluminum from Canada and other foreign sources, Trump cant snap his fingers like Thanos and have instant steel and other key manufacturing plants ( all American vehicles ) and he knows it . It makes Canada an ideal " turn key" solution. Why rent when you can buy , why buy when you can take? It would take years to build in-house manufacturing and employ cheap labor, good luck with that. His real "American" workers don't want minimum wage and they will ask where all the immigrant workers are. Americans want instant gratification and arent willing to wait a decade to lower costs through tariifs, not too many economists say this is a good way to lower cost of living anyway.
Trump is a lame duck president unless he chains himself to the resolute desk in 4 years. He hasn't moved on his promise to lower cost of living and why should he? He is in office and thats all that matters to him. The clock is ticking on the House of Reps (20 months midterms ) before it flips Democrat and if things go as bad as i think they will , the Senate (33 seats up for grabs ) will flip also.
Canada needs to stand firm against the US, nurture its domestic economy, Use our own oil via pipelines and build infrastructure to get our oil to countries who want it.

Eddie,

This tariff situation is upsetting to many, and regrets that the background info made you feel ill.

Totally agree that Canada needs to get it’s own house in order, and reduce our reliance on the US in particular, as we have become vulnerable and weak by relying on our resource gifts for too long. This wake-up call is the silver lining here.

My point is that it really doesn’t matter what I think or you think or any other critics think about tariffs. What matters is what the US administration thinks. The Trump administration has demonstrated a consistent core belief that countries become over-reliant and weak economically if they let their manufacturing industries decline, and don’t control their primary steel and aluminum supply chains. On this point they are probably not wrong, as we too are experiencing the pains of letting our own manufacturing sector dwindle and remain dependent on other nations supply chains.

The US is in the driver’s seat because they can buy from multiple global sources, so they apply tariffs to all nations, but not so much to punish the exporting countries (agreed, they really don’t care about us), but rather to force their own manufacturers to buy more domestically, which Will result in capacity utilization and investment in the US. This is their end game we need to understand when our red-tapers talk to Washington. We should vent a little but not let our emotions get in the way of good national economic policy. Right now we sound like a bunch of reactive McCoys without a Spock to be found. They work better as a team.

Sure, we can hope that the primaries will change things up down South, but isn’t that just wishful thinking? Should Canada bet our national prosperity on hopes of a liberal rebound? I don’t see a strong democrat leadership candidate emerging in the US at all. Biden is out to pasture and Harris is once-and-done. The old rhetoric won’t get the job done, and over-hyped American pride and blind hatred are stalling the democrat’s needed reformation to move toward centre. What if Vance stays active and emerges as the most likely to win in 2028? It will likely be a close election again, however currently the Democrats lost all the swings states and frankly aren’t doing anything concrete to earn them back. In contrast, these states will likely see job growth, and the bigger industries tend to bring good high-paying union jobs, not just attract minimum wage migrants.

I sincerely hope our politicians embrace the opportunity to think this through and make the needed changes to outdated legacy thinking. I’d like Canada to be smart rather than lucky, or worse, just whiney victims of our own ineptitude.

 

[PuntMeister]

Buying Canadian in Practice. Any observations or lessons learned so far? There are some real-world considerations I didn’t expect…

QUESTION 1:
Is it better to buy a product that says “Made In Canada” on the label, if the producer is located in Ontario, and a quick google or siri-check says it is a Canadian owned company, OR,

Buy a similar product that says “Produced in Canada”, and the producer is also located in Ontario, however it is owned by a company located in New Jersey?

This is not so simple. “Made in Canada” only means that at least 50% of the value chain (final transformation) is attributable to Canadian sources (materials, processing labour, packaging supplies, etc.). “Produced in Canada” or “Product of Canada” is what I am now looking for, as it means at that at least 98% of the value chain is Canadian! I know, right? PRODUCED in Canada “sounds” equivalent, or perhaps even a bit weaker, than MADE In Canada to me, but it is actually better for our economy. So next I look at the impact of the parent company making the goods. Both companies have almost all the final production jobs in Canada. The Made in Canada product buys ingredients from Canada, USA, and Europe, with packaging coming from Mexico and the USA. The Produced In Canada option has almost everything except for a few spices sourced from Canadian producers. The “big bad US owner” out of New Jersey makes a net profit of about 5% per year, which is somewhat typical for the food industry. That company is listed on the NYSE, and is held buy many mutual funds, with a notable signifacant holding of over 4% by the Ontario Teachers Pension Fund.

Doing a bit of math, I conclude that although I don’t like buying from a US owned company, there is more Canadian content and more net benefit to Canada if I buy Produced in Canada over Made in Canada at the grocery store regardless of ownership. Weird right?

Question 2:
Do I support Canada more if I buy Dorito’s from Safeway or Que Pasa tortilla chips (in a size and flavour I can only get) from Costco?

Hmmm, Dorito’s are a Pepsico Canada company with uncertain canadian ownership. Safeway is owned by Sobey’s out of Ontario, which is owned by Empire Capital Canada, which by my layman’s search has an uncertain level of Canadian investment. Que Pasa is located in Delta, BC and was bought out buy Nature’s Path Foods in 2012. Nature’s Path is Canadian owned by a private entrepreurial family. Costco is a US based company listed on the NASDAQ. I used to own some Costco shares but sold it too soon (dumb skittish move), so that doesn’t enter into my decision. My TFSA holds index funds which include a small portion of both Sobeys and Costco. Not a key consideration.

I could argue this decision both ways. Pro’s and con’s each way, and too much work to buy my comfort food. Both have some Canadian content, and I lean toward the food that I can confirm is made Canada, even better if Produced in Canada. Even though in this case, the retailer is Costco, they still hire Canadian workers and are a smaller part of the total value chain than the producer. But I decide to go to Kins Farm Market instead to stay out of the big-box mentality, and buy some raw potatoes, head home and fry them up myself. Mmmm. 😋

Which brings me to another reflection…
If I walk around the periphery of the supermarket and stay out of the aisles, I will tend to buy healthier raw ingredients (except for frying my own chips—moment of Superbowl weakness there), and not have to worry so much because I can tell easily what country the meat/fish/dairy/veg is coming from.

So how is your Buy Canadian experience going?

 

[80watts]

All with you about the Canadian forces need. As for which political party should be blamed for it ? I don't agree with you as both parties when in power have mismanaged the appropriation of equipment for our forces and the way both parties handled veterans affairs for people that sacrificed for our country its a shame at times . None of them have a leg to stand on to be honest .

Our armed forces have been neglected for well over 4 decades at this point. If there would be a real big conflict we would be in big trouble. Hell... we used to have an aircraft carrier and working submarines... Australia with 2/3 of our population is better equipped than we are ...

Australia has faced the facts that they are all in their little corner of the world, and the threats that there are in their region. Here in Canada, we live under the great influence of the USA. Call it the US umbrella. Now one thing the US does not want is a big heavy hitting military to its north. Alot of our Canadian companies are owned by US companies, especially in the mining industry. The provinces have better trade deals with the states then across provincial borders. When you look at Canada, it is mostly covered by water, and permafrost. Our rivers travel north into permafrost.
But the north holds wealth in minerals and oil. That wealth should belong to Canadians, not some corporation.
Canada needs to define what goals it wants to achieve. We are a democratic society, and we are also a socialist society. So lets vote on what Canada goals should be.
Some suggestions:
1. Food production: fresh food all year long requires well insulated greenhouses.
2. Shelter: Make housing affordable for everyone, at low prices and simple interest.
3. Resource goals: the saving of the mineral wealth of Canada for future generations (the price for a company to take it out of the ground).
4. Participation in space exploration.
5. Participation in ocean and arctic exploration.
6. For universities and colleges increase technical courses, art courses and decrease political courses and stupid shitology/woke courses. (off hand I could say that no one on this forum could tell how a TV works or their computer monitor works in detail). That is how untech savy people are. They are plug and play.
7. Increase transportation for public (most public transport sucks the big one.)

The problem is Canadians have to get their kids interested in doing things for Canada. People spend too much time, surviving lifes' hurdles, of food, shelter, raising kids, etc; then to contribute to a much larger goal of making Canada succeed.

But you know its nice to go for a walk on a nice crisp cold day, then retreat to your warm house.

 

[80watts]

Big fan of the greenhouse plans , I’ve looked at in home tiered hydroponic lettuce and tomato tower. Moving our oil across the country and safely to ports for trade outside North America is key but costly and rife with environmental issues but is a necessity.

As far as space goes , we have a laundry list of problems on earth that need solving , I don’t what’s up there that can be used to help us down here.i absolutely agree about defense , I’d love to hear American reaction to the idea that Canada is making a move to be a nuclear superpower because when “ they “ say that Canadians expect us ( US) to protect them , what they really mean is the US is protecting itself in terms of strategic location and protection of their pipeline for energy and other key resources.it may seem over simplistic but imagine for a minute what could be done with the money spent on global defence. That smell is defence contractors shitting their pants.
And of course , become less trade reliant on the US on everything from our 3 ingredient Froot Loops to our aluminum .

The Cdn food government guidelines are somewhat good, but still is controlled by industry trying to sell their wares like milk Products....improvement needed, but everyone is a individual and their own care usually goes outside of the food guidelines. Sugar and other toxic substance should be limited in food. Mind you this will put starbucks out of business. I am mindfull of a green tea I ordered that tasted rather like grass...

 

[80watts]

Oooh, those Belgians have good chocolates 🍫 and good beer. 🍺

Greedy bastards.

Yes! Fuck Greenland! Belgium is a better prize, at least near-term.

Well I forgot about the chocolates....

 

[80watts]

Northern gateway was an environmental abomination before, and still is now. The "climate denier" crowd were idiotic before and nothing about the political "Trump versus the world" situation today has changed the FACT that the earth is warming up rapidly thanks to carbon emissions, and every aspect of life on earth is becoming harder and more threatened because of that. The "do nothing about it, ever" crowd may score a tactical victory thanks to the political chaos (driven by some world leaders who are pushing the denial movement), but long-term, the world's prospects for survival will still be fucked. One problem does not disappear because another one arises to compete with it for attention.

That is why the east-west pipeline to send Canadian petroleum to Canadian refineries back east for serving Canadian needs is the only pipeline project I will support. (And on that, they need to build it fast, like wartime fast.)
Once that is in place and our refined fuel supply secure from US interference, we (along with Mexico) can cut the exports off, and hopefully the price shock will collapse their corrupt and demented regime.
As for the Albertans' complaints about the revenue, there are ways around that for a smart government, even a carbon-emissions reducing one, plus why would they care where the money comes from as long as it comes? Unless of course the motivation of people like Smith is not about revenue but about their true allegiances.

As for Europe, Canada did not say no to them, but when the USA engineered the Ukraine conflict over long term, part of their motivation was to get Europe to replace Russian oil and gas with exclusively US sources. The LNG projects here were all geared towards Asian customers (hmm), but that was in part because the demand in Europe was spoken for. Now Canada can act on filling that demand, but it is dependent on the Russian and US sources being shunned by the EU.

Either way, we must be self-sufficient in meeting domestic Canadian needs first, then exports to Asia and Europe are secondary, and by that point we may be supplying nothing to the US, and if their shale oil cannot meet their own demand without Canada and Mexico helping, they are fucked (and nobody will feel sorry for them).

It also needs to be said that any moves we and Europe can make simultaneously to reduce our carbon fuel demand actually make it easier to solve this problem as we go along. You might hate the idea of EV's (why?) or carbon pricing, but strategically it puts us in a improved position to benefit from having less domestic civilian demand. Like in wartime, the more fuel we save, the more the "war effort" goes well for the sharp end of our society.




I will point this fact out: in the conversation:

Since the outbreak of Ukraine hostilities the Russians also completed a number of oil and gas pipelines that go directly to China, and their trade of carbon energy to China has grown a lot, even using things like their arctic shipping route.
Even assuming the Ukraine war ends with an end to energy sanctions on the Russia to Europe trade, there is no guarantee that Europe will be able to draw upon Russian sources like they used to. That is leaving aside whether they even want to restart it on either side for political reasons.

In a European War, energy would become vital. So the answer is PEACE and trade. The problem is dictatorships don't work for the majority of people and democracies are prone to corruption by the rich.

Look 75% of the earth is covered in water, whoever has the technology to mine under the sea will become rich. But here is the catch, as you mine, you will polluted and kill the sea environment around it. Already people are looking at mining sea water for gold. The sea bottom for iron nodules etc. There are no standards for pollution at sea for mining. If you kill the seas, humanity has no choice but to shoot itself in the head.