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https://edmontonsun.com/opinion/col...u-is-canadas-most-destructive-and-charming-pm

this is from a die hard Liberal insider, read it

it's coming from inside the tent

for all you delusional types on here who still believe in the cult of the Turd and his butt buddy Jimmy Singh

cause he accurately describes the last 8 yrs of fucking hell we've been forced to live, due to TruAnon members

not that it's not going to hurt us for decades to come, just like we're still paying for all the fucking crap his cunt father did 40 yrs ago

it's just sad that it took this long for some to come to the same conclusion
as soon as they use the word "woke" then i know its mindless dog-whistle propagandada. love the lack of any detail.
 

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I am not voting for JT this election although I did vote liberals in the last election. I am certainly not going to vote for Jagmeet Singh and his NDP. Jagmeet Singh is a puppet of this separatist movement in India (well, mostly in Canada really). Minority govts are often spineless and afraid to take some tough decisions. Having said that, JT lost my respect for many other reasons e.g. the truck convoy fiasco is a black mark on govt and law enforcement and the worst is senseless and unplanned immigration. Well, that's a topic for another day.

Having said that all, it was very disappointing to see someone calling Jagmeet Singh a 'corrupt ba****d'. It's one thing to disagree with someone strongly but to stoop to that level is just not Canadian at all. Good on him to turn around and face the heckler and this ball-less heckler turned into a p***y cat very quickly.

Next Federal elections will be very interesting, that's for sure. I hope we see some changes. I most certainly hope that the elections bring a majority govt.
But this is an imported 'feature' of the conservative election machine: denigraate and call names until they stick. Same with all the 'turd' guys on here, they're just cogs reciting the masters speech to look like they have more status.

The truck conoy was an attempt to intimidate,in the same vein. Full stop.
 

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as soon as they use the word "woke" then i know its mindless dog-whistle propagandada. love the lack of any detail.

hahaha, detail?

have you been in a fucking coma for 8 years? lol

detail, have you read a paper in 8 years?

watched any Canadian news besides CBC with the 5 other people in 8 years?

mindless?

the debt has now officially doubled under the Turd, you're way, way poorer than you were in 2015, is that enough detail for you?


here's some more

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-sexual-assault-robberies-surge

yeah, that's got nothing to do with the Turd's actions on lowering the bail conditions or sentences


here's another, minor detail


According to Statistics Canada, the Canadian median income was $68,400 CAD in 2021, whereas in the same year, the US median income was $70,784 USD, according to the US Census


now take off your socks JT and do the math, that is about 50G's USD for the Canadian amount

and it's only got worse since 2021

need more after your coma?

go talk to pretty much anyone with an IQ above their shoe size, in line at the food bank, on the street, trying to find a place that doesn't take 50% of their income to rent

yeah, details

that's what's missing


and while you're at it

ask a Jew how they're doing in the Turd's Canada nowadays?

get some details from one, pretty sure they'll have some
 
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hahaha, detail?

have you been in a fucking coma for 8 years? lol

detail, have you read a paper in 8 years?

watched any Canadian news besides CBC with the 5 other people in 8 years?

mindless?

the debt has now officially doubled under the Turd, you're way, way poorer than you were in 2015, is that enough detail for you?


here's some more

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-sexual-assault-robberies-surge

yeah, that's got nothing to do with the Turd's actions on lowering the bail conditions or sentences


here's another, minor detail


According to Statistics Canada, the Canadian median income was $68,400 CAD in 2021, whereas in the same year, the US median income was $70,784 USD, according to the US Census


now take off your socks JT and do the math, that is about 50G's USD for the Canadian amount

and it's only got worse since 2021

need more after your coma?

go talk to pretty much anyone with an IQ above their shoe size, in line at the food bank, on the street, trying to find a place that doesn't take 50% of their income to rent

yeah, details

that's what's missing


and while you're at it

ask a Jew how they're doing in the Turd's Canada nowadays?

get some details from one, pretty sure they'll have some
i'm happy to debate but... lets keep the thread one issue at a time.

so lets look at your crime paper. the paper is explicit that "Because Canadians interact with the criminal justice system primarily in their local communities, there needs to be more focus on violent crime at the local levels". that kinda doesn't point to national policy.

and the facts are:
1) homicide is static or falling... except in Winnipeg!
2) aggravated assault is down everywhere... except in Edmonton and Winnipeg!
3) robbery is static or falling... except in Winnipeg!
4) sexual assault is up in all cities

what exactly did the Liberals do nationally that drives the above? did the Liberals do something with bail reforms that caused this? their bill C-48 restricts bail.

Bail reform bill C-48 comes into effect

did the "me too" movement have anything to do with increased sexual assault reports? are these assaults associated with some epidemic in particular? like the drug epidemic? the main thrust of the paper, that there needs to be much more detail, aggregation and transparency in this data i completely agree with. but the paper does not say...its because of the Turd! these issues are much more complex.

if the CPC knows how to turn any of this around then what is it... exactly? please site published party documentation.
 
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hahaha, detail?

have you been in a fucking coma for 8 years? lol

detail, have you read a paper in 8 years?

watched any Canadian news besides CBC with the 5 other people in 8 years?

mindless?

the debt has now officially doubled under the Turd, you're way, way poorer than you were in 2015, is that enough detail for you?


here's some more

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-sexual-assault-robberies-surge

yeah, that's got nothing to do with the Turd's actions on lowering the bail conditions or sentences


here's another, minor detail


According to Statistics Canada, the Canadian median income was $68,400 CAD in 2021, whereas in the same year, the US median income was $70,784 USD, according to the US Census


now take off your socks JT and do the math, that is about 50G's USD for the Canadian amount

and it's only got worse since 2021

need more after your coma?

go talk to pretty much anyone with an IQ above their shoe size, in line at the food bank, on the street, trying to find a place that doesn't take 50% of their income to rent

yeah, details

that's what's missing


and while you're at it

ask a Jew how they're doing in the Turd's Canada nowadays?

get some details from one, pretty sure they'll have some
i share your concern about the canadian economy. we may be in for some of the lowest per capita GDP growth of OECD for some time. and the consensus seems to fall squarely on lack of business investment.

Mind the Gap: Canada is Falling Behind the Standard-of-Living Curve

the other consensus is why this is... even Fraser Institute reports knowing why.

Comparing the Investment Performances of Canada and the United States over the Past Five Decades

" Specifically, an increasing share of total capital investment went into the construction and renovation of residential dwellings, while a decreasing share went into information and telecommunications equipment and intellectual property products used by businesses. "

sound familiar? yep, the boomers were making money hand over fist... while working people are getting the shaft. the residential property value explosion made investing in business infrastructure a stupid decision when you could just buy property and hold it.

i hope we're at the end of that poor situation. but while all national parties lamented what this was doing to working people... none of them put forward anything to stop it. because they would have faced the furry of the boomers.

i see the CPC have a proposed Building Homes Not Bureaucracy Act. but i also note that their whole schtick is simply to fuck cities over if they can't find enough people/money to build houses. there is NO MONEY from the feds targeting the problem in their world. because, of course, that would probably take away from the huge tax cuts to the wealthy and subsidies to big oil that they have planned... but i digress.
 

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i share your concern about the canadian economy. we may be in for some of the lowest per capita GDP growth of OECD for some time. and the consensus seems to fall squarely on lack of business investment.

Mind the Gap: Canada is Falling Behind the Standard-of-Living Curve

the other consensus is why this is... even Fraser Institute reports knowing why.

Comparing the Investment Performances of Canada and the United States over the Past Five Decades

" Specifically, an increasing share of total capital investment went into the construction and renovation of residential dwellings, while a decreasing share went into information and telecommunications equipment and intellectual property products used by businesses. "

sound familiar? yep, the boomers were making money hand over fist... while working people are getting the shaft. the residential property value explosion made investing in business infrastructure a stupid decision when you could just buy property and hold it.

i hope we're at the end of that poor situation. but while all national parties lamented what this was doing to working people... none of them put forward anything to stop it. because they would have faced the furry of the boomers.

i see the CPC have a proposed Building Homes Not Bureaucracy Act. but i also note that their whole schtick is simply to fuck cities over if they can't find enough people/money to build houses. there is NO MONEY from the feds targeting the problem in their world. because, of course, that would probably take away from the huge tax cuts to the wealthy and subsidies to big oil that they have planned... but i digress.
Subsidies to “big oil” you say. What would that involve?
 

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Subsidies to “big oil” you say. What would that involve?
Subsidies are usually in the form of larger than normal and accelerated depreciation allowances. Chretien actually was responsible for that as he felt that it was the only way to make the tar sands attractive at the time.
 

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Subsidies are usually in the form of larger than normal and accelerated depreciation allowances. Chretien actually was responsible for that as he felt that it was the only way to make the tar sands attractive at the time.
As opposed to the roughly 28 billion dollar subsidy for the Stellantis battery plant in Windsor that will probably never be recovered.
 

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As opposed to the roughly 28 billion dollar subsidy for the Stellantis battery plant in Windsor that will probably never be recovered.
where do you get that number from? look, government has subsidized oil in the past as that was necessary and now it needs to build energy resilience by subsidizing alternative energy sources. its rarely a free give away and never given all at once and often its in the form of tax deductions and all of it tied to performance.

What’s included in the Stellantis EV battery plant deal?

Canada spent $18B on financial supports for the fossil fuel industry last year: report

the constant drone of the CPC calling for "axe the tax" is just the very concerning call from big oil that demands Canada to be a one trick pony. and while China cleans up around the world in the auto industry, we will be sitting in our old horse and buggies. the US is doing the same with their renewable infrastructure. its happening. there is no going back. the status quo will try to push back as much as they can... but in the end, change is inevitable. and the longer we wait the more poor we will become.
 
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As opposed to the roughly 28 billion dollar subsidy for the Stellantis battery plant in Windsor that will probably never be recovered.
I was only answering your question rather than providing a definitive analysis. But I am sure that if you look at the tax breaks given to the tar sands (and those battery suppliers get similar deals) it would probably amount to more than that. I would suggest doing some research before blindly defending any industry.
 
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I was only answering your question rather than providing a definitive analysis. But I am sure that if you look at the tax breaks given to the tar sands (and those battery suppliers get similar deals) it would probably amount to more than that. I would suggest doing some research before blindly defending any industry.
No time for research, I work in the oil industry so I’ll just blindly defend it thanks.
 

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where do you get that number from? look, government has subsidized oil in the past as that was necessary and now it needs to build energy resilience by subsidizing alternative energy sources. its rarely a free give away and never given all at once and often its in the form of tax deductions and all of it tied to performance.

What’s included in the Stellantis EV battery plant deal?

Canada spent $18B on financial supports for the fossil fuel industry last year: report

the constant drone of the CPC calling for "axe the tax" is just the very concerning call from big oil that demands Canada to be a one trick pony. and while China cleans up around the world in the auto industry, we will be sitting in our old horse and buggies. the US is doing the same with their renewable infrastructure. its happening. there is no going back. the status quo will try to push back as much as they can... but in the end, change is inevitable. and the longer we wait the more poor we will become.
Trudeau’s idea is to tax the country into prosperity, doesn’t work that way unfortunately, shows how out of touch he is.
 

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Trudeau’s idea is to tax the country into prosperity, doesn’t work that way unfortunately, shows how out of touch he is.

That's nonsensical bullshit typical of the far-right, but even if it were true, it looks like it's working better than whatever the conservatives in the UK were doing for the last 14 years.

God help us if were elect a government that thinks it can bring prosperity with slogans that rhyme. Which is all Poilievre has, and what some guys fall for every time.

The CPC has pretty much become as stupid as the GOP.





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That's nonsensical bullshit typical of the far-right, but even if it were true, it looks like it's working better than whatever the conservatives in the UK were doing for the last 14 years.

God help us if were elect a government that thinks it can bring prosperity with slogans that rhyme. Which is all Poilievre has, and what some guys fall for every time.

The CPC has pretty much become as stupid as the GOP.





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Doesn’t matter, trudeau and his gang of clowns are gone next election anyway whether you like it or not.
 

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As opposed to the roughly 28 billion dollar subsidy for the Stellantis battery plant in Windsor that will probably never be recovered.
Where is the 28B from?
I see 5 billion from Ontario and 10 from Federal, in tax breaks on future revenue.
 

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No time for research, I work in the oil industry so I’ll just blindly defend it thanks.
we were starting to guess the "blind" part. i hope you find it empowering in future to realize that you aren't a rational person. please don't feel bad if we ignore you then and proceed to debate actual facts associated with Canada's political climate.
 

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The CPC has pretty much become as stupid as the GOP.
Factual data and statistics are not effective against embedded far right minds.
Polievre works on emotion. Hence his one liners. He’s a rage farmer like his idol Trump. He’s not about helping anyone, he’s about getting “the enemy”.
 
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Factual data and statistics are not effective against embedded far right minds.
Polievre works on emotion. Hence his one liners. He’s a rage farmer like his idol Trump. He’s not about helping anyone, he’s about getting “the enemy”.
sounds about right ,,, trudeau is the enemy of canada
 
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we were starting to guess the "blind" part. i hope you find it empowering in future to realize that you aren't a rational person. please don't feel bad if we ignore you then and proceed to debate actual facts associated with Canada's political climate.
Always disheartening when one is ignored by the dull witted.
 
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