2024 Canadian Political Thread

[appleomac]

If 1/4 of the deficit spending is non-wasteful and neccessary around covid as a conservative estimate , how does Harper now compare.

Harper's deficits minus surpluses totaled $120 billion in 9 years in office. During the financial crisis of 08/09 (at the time, the largest/worst recession since the Great Depression), Harper had the largest single annual deficit in Canadian history - at $55 billion. JT's Covid year results - was $300 billion deficit in a single year. So, if you want to compare - emergency vs emergence (i.e. recession vs Covid) JT's emergency situation year deficit was 5.5x that of Harper. You can debate which was worse until the cows come home (i.e. 08/09 recession vs Covid). But when two PM's were confronted with their own "emergencies" one tabled the largest single deficit (at the time) in Canadian history. And then JT basically said "hold my beer" - and tabled the new (5.5x the size of the previous largest record) largest single annual deficit in Canadian history of over $300 billion. Followed the next year with the 2nd largest single annual deficit in Canadian history of $90 billion. I don't know, I think JT wants the annual deficit podium all to himself! Again, the auditor general pegged total federal supports to Canadians during Covid at $211 billion and they created (just in the 1st two years of Covid) total deficits in excess of $400 billion. They did/are still doing, alot more borrowing/spending then just on Covid. I'm sure that's their excuse - clearly that's what you believe, but that doesn't mean that is the truth.

More important when comparing Harper and JT. Harper then proceeded to do as he said and reduced those deficits in following years to the point where he was able to post a small surplus in his final year. JT and this government, no longer talks about returning to balance - they don't even try to hide the fact that they don't have any clue/plan whatsoever to try and bring government finances into balance. You can complain all you want about "cons bad", whatever. You don't want to compare Harper to JT on their fiscal record. Harper did everything he could to reverse his record deficit and bring the books (over time) back into a balance - the same cannot be said for this current government.

 

[LLLurkJ2]

They did/are still doing, alot more borrowing/spending then just on Covid. I'm sure that's their excuse - clearly that's what you believe, but that doesn't mean that is the truth.

Since were trying to equate opinions with facts: And now i will state, with equal authority to yours, that YOU believe you are the golden messiah, the tax-return hzederiatch, come to throw off the yokes of House Trudeau and let the debt repayment flow and manifest your greatness as the culmination of genereations of a secretive selective breding program aka eugenics.

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Harper did everything he could to reverse his record deficit and bring the books (over time) back into a balance - the same cannot be said for this current government.
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I had typed up a long paragraph full of vitrolic rebuttal and demonstrating how you once again ignore some things you dont like and cherry pick others and the present your opinions as facts and throw tantrums when people dont follow along with your demands, but ill just post this one counter example instead.
Harper Gov Waste

The other part of this is that we readily conflate the party heads with the pmo, cabinet and othe apparatus of the state. Trudeau, Harper and the others are hemmed in by the rest of the people around them and only have so much political capital to spend on choice projects in direct control.

As for Harper hate, the biggest aspect that fucked Harper was his culture war-esque attacks and having to pander to the religous righties from Alberta who wanted to impose their moral standards on everyone.

The truth of what *i believe* is that yes, it can be a superior position to not be in deficit spending but that at times it can be treated as a business loan to create growth. Much of it gets wasted under all forms of goverenment from both sides of the spectrum.

My issues with cons is that their proposed spending cuts almost *ALWAYS* target the less well off in societies when as shown, the majority of new growth has flown to top percentiles with a highly skewed distribution .

If you look in inflationary dollars, wealth has moved to the upper percentiles over time and distribution is worse than after the rise of the unions and the new deals/ GI bills/ after war spending. Under all governments. The accounting people know this, the facts are there in stats, but they pretend like the general public is bleeding everything dry and champion established conservative trends that will lead to more inequality, all the while the trusts and family inheritors continue to accumulate more while wielding outsized political influence. Cons will exacerbate the process.

 

[appleomac]

Since were trying to equate opinions with facts: And now i will state, with equal authority to yours, that YOU believe you are the golden messiah, the tax-return hzederiatch, come to throw off the yokes of House Trudeau and let the debt repayment flow and manifest your greatness as the culmination of genereations of a secretive selective breding program aka eugenics.

Drivel! That's all you have. When presented with facts you don't like (such as deficit figures taken from audited financial statements) you then claim that they are merely "opinions." Then you go off on more drivel about eugenics of all things! LOL

Sure thing mate, massive deficits is somehow about eugenics - stay addicted to your copium and hopium! LOL

 

[Drjohn]

Since were trying to equate opinions with facts: And now i will state, with equal authority to yours, that YOU believe you are the golden messiah, the tax-return hzederiatch, come to throw off the yokes of House Trudeau and let the debt repayment flow and manifest your greatness as the culmination of genereations of a secretive selective breding program aka eugenics.

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Harper did everything he could to reverse his record deficit and bring the books (over time) back into a balance - the same cannot be said for this current government.

I had typed up a long paragraph full of vitrolic rebuttal and demonstrating how you once again ignore some things you dont like and cherry pick others and the present your opinions as facts and throw tantrums when people dont follow along with your demands, but ill just post this one counter example instead.
Harper Gov Waste

The other part of this is that we readily conflate the party heads with the pmo, cabinet and othe apparatus of the state. Trudeau, Harper and the others are hemmed in by the rest of the people around them and only have so much political capital to spend on choice projects in direct control.

As for Harper hate, the biggest aspect that fucked Harper was his culture war-esque attacks and having to pander to the religous righties from Alberta who wanted to impose their moral standards on everyone.

The truth of what *i believe* is that yes, it can be a superior position to not be in deficit spending but that at times it can be treated as a business loan to create growth. Much of it gets wasted under all forms of goverenment from both sides of the spectrum.

My issues with cons is that their proposed spending cuts almost *ALWAYS* target the less well off in societies when as shown, the majority of new growth has flown to top percentiles with a highly skewed distribution .

If you look in inflationary dollars, wealth has moved to the upper percentiles over time and distribution is worse than after the rise of the unions and the new deals/ GI bills/ after war spending. Under all governments. The accounting people know this, the facts are there in stats, but they pretend like the general public is bleeding everything dry and champion established conservative trends that will lead to more inequality, all the while the trusts and family inheritors continue to accumulate more while wielding outsized political influence. Cons will exacerbate the process.
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I will give you credit for one thing, consistency.

You're consistently wrong.

I've had to start skimming your posts to get through the word salad and try to find your point.

So far, I've been unsuccessful.

You double and triple down with your cherry picked stats and your mistaken conclusions.

Endlessly entertaining.

Please, do not stop.

 

[LLLurkJ2]

I had typed up a long paragraph full of vitrolic rebuttal and demonstrating how you once again ignore some things you dont like and cherry pick others and the present your opinions as facts and throw tantrums when people dont follow along with your demands, but ill just post this one counter example instead.
Harper Gov Waste

The other part of this is that we readily conflate the party heads with the pmo, cabinet and othe apparatus of the state. Trudeau, Harper and the others are hemmed in by the rest of the people around them and only have so much political capital to spend on choice projects in direct control.

As for Harper hate, the biggest aspect that fucked Harper was his culture war-esque attacks and having to pander to the religous righties from Alberta who wanted to impose their moral standards on everyone.

The truth of what *i believe* is that yes, it can be a superior position to not be in deficit spending but that at times it can be treated as a business loan to create growth. Much of it gets wasted under all forms of goverenment from both sides of the spectrum.

My issues with cons is that their proposed spending cuts almost *ALWAYS* target the less well off in societies when as shown, the majority of new growth has flown to top percentiles with a highly skewed distribution .

If you look in inflationary dollars, wealth has moved to the upper percentiles over time and distribution is worse than after the rise of the unions and the new deals/ GI bills/ after war spending. Under all governments. The accounting people know this, the facts are there in stats, but they pretend like the general public is bleeding everything dry and champion established conservative trends that will lead to more inequality, all the while the trusts and family inheritors continue to accumulate more while wielding outsized political influence. Cons will exacerbate the process.

I will give you credit for one thing, consistency.

You're consistently wrong.

I've had to start skimming your posts to get through the word salad and try to find your point.

So far, I've been unsuccessful.

You double and triple down with your cherry picked stats and your mistaken conclusions.

Endlessly entertaining.

Please, do not stop.
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I presented some facts and put other points out as my opinion.

All you've done is plug your ears and say lah lah lah.

 

[LLLurkJ2]

Drivel! That's all you have. When presented with facts you don't like (such as deficit figures taken from audited financial statements) you then claim that they are merely "opinions." Then you go off on more drivel about eugenics of all things! LOL

Sure thing mate, massive deficits is somehow about eugenics - stay addicted to your copium and hopium! LOL

Drivel! That's all you have. When presented with facts you don't like (such as deficit figures taken from audited financial statements) you then claim that they are merely "opinions." Then you go off on more drivel about eugenics of all things! LOL

Sure thing mate, massive deficits is somehow about eugenics - stay addicted to your copium and hopium! LOL

Triggered much? Why did you stop using nominal dollars now when comparing the two deficit amounts- not cherry picky enough?

So we cant agree on which was worse, covid or harpers recession. Hm....one was worldwide and involved millions of deaths, the other was generally due to housing price collapse in the states due to financial shenanigins on the part of the bean counters , economists, and wall street types if i remember correctly.

The statement about eugenics was part of an equivalent statement about what *you said i believed*. I countered with a statement about what *you believed* that had as much validity. Which, with equal authority as pointed out, is none.

You do seem do have a superiority complex that is borderline though , and that statement is true. You want to post responses to me like a haughty motherfucker I will repond in kind every time, and no I will never 'shut up' because you tell me to.

You might as well put me on ignore because i can tell only want to allow certain conversation into your fragile model, and thats the only control you really have in this.

 

[appleomac]

Triggered much? Why did you stop using nominal dollars now when comparing the two deficit amounts- not cherry picky enough?

What are you talking about???

Harper's deficits minus surpluses totaled $120 billion in 9 years in office. During the financial crisis of 08/09 (at the time, the largest/worst recession since the Great Depression), Harper had the largest single annual deficit in Canadian history - at $55 billion. JT's Covid year results - was $300 billion deficit in a single year. So, if you want to compare - emergency vs emergence (i.e. recession vs Covid) JT's emergency situation year deficit was 5.5x that of Harper. You can debate which was worse until the cows come home (i.e. 08/09 recession vs Covid). But when two PM's were confronted with their own "emergencies" one tabled the largest single deficit (at the time) in Canadian history. And then JT basically said "hold my beer" - and tabled the new (5.5x the size of the previous largest record) largest single annual deficit in Canadian history of over $300 billion. Followed the next year with the 2nd largest single annual deficit in Canadian history of $90 billion. I don't know, I think JT wants the annual deficit podium all to himself! Again, the auditor general pegged total federal supports to Canadians during Covid at $211 billion and they created (just in the 1st two years of Covid) total deficits in excess of $400 billion. They did/are still doing, alot more borrowing/spending then just on Covid. I'm sure that's their excuse - clearly that's what you believe, but that doesn't mean that is the truth.

More important when comparing Harper and JT. Harper then proceeded to do as he said and reduced those deficits in following years to the point where he was able to post a small surplus in his final year. JT and this government, no longer talks about returning to balance - they don't even try to hide the fact that they don't have any clue/plan whatsoever to try and bring government finances into balance. You can complain all you want about "cons bad", whatever. You don't want to compare Harper to JT on their fiscal record. Harper did everything he could to reverse his record deficit and bring the books (over time) back into a balance - the same cannot be said for this current government.

All of these above numbers ARE nominal dollars. They are taken straight from the audited financial statements of the Gov't of Canada. You don't even know the definition of nominal dollars! LOL

The definition of nominal dollars (basically) is, the actual dollar value over a period of time. Harper during the financial crises had a $55 billion deficit - those dollars are nominal. That is what is reported in the audited financial statement of the Government of Canada for the fiscal year ending March 31 ,2010. JT's Covid deficit of over $300 billion for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2021 - those are nominal dollars. That is what is reported in the audited financial statements of the Government of Canada. Same goes for JT's $90 billion deficit the following year. Again, nominal dollars taken directly from the audited financial statements of the Government of Canada for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2022.

Wow! Tell me you don't know what nominal dollars are without saying you don't know what nominal dollars are. Why do you continue on with your nonsense. In your fervent desire to have yourself a "gotcha moment", you have demonstrated that you don't know what nominal dollars actually mean. Honestly, it would be humorous (you continually demonstrating your lack of knowledge on a whole host of topics), if it wasn't so sad.

 

[LLLurkJ2]

What are you talking about???



All of these above numbers ARE nominal dollars. They are taken straight from the audited financial statements of the Gov't of Canada. You don't even know the definition of nominal dollars! LOL

The definition of nominal dollars (basically) is, the actual dollar value over a period of time. Harper during the financial crises had a $55 billion deficit - those dollars are nominal. That is what is reported in the audited financial statement of the Government of Canada for the fiscal year ending March 31 ,2010. JT's Covid deficit of over $300 billion for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2021 - those are nominal dollars. That is what is reported in the audited financial statements of the Government of Canada. Same goes for JT's $90 billion deficit the following year. Again, nominal dollars taken directly from the audited financial statements of the Government of Canada for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2022.

Wow! Tell me you don't know what nominal dollars are without saying you don't know what nominal dollars are. Why do you continue on with your nonsense. In your fervent desire to have yourself a "gotcha moment", you have demonstrated that you don't know what nominal dollars actually mean. Honestly, it would be humorous (you continually demonstrating your lack of knowledge on a whole host of topics), if it wasn't so sad.

Guess you had tour gotcha moment then , congrats.

 

[LLLurkJ2]

No I didn't - you owned yourself (as you have a propensity to do), with your constant demonstration that you haven't the faintest/rudimentary knowledge/understanding of very basic concepts any average minded high school student would've learned in a grade 10 business ed class. Again, it would be humorous, if it weren't so sad.

Ah there's that sociapathy we all know and love.

 

[appleomac]

Ah there's that sociapathy we all know and love.

It's the truth. It is sad when an adult (i.e. you) continues on with nonsense. Such nonsense only highlighting your lack of understanding. Such nonsense that leads you to go off about eugenics, when the topic was government fiscal records. Sure, I thought better and deleted that comment you are now quoting. But okay, continue on chirping in simply because you are confronted with the truth. The truth is, you don't have a clue about what nominal dollars are (among other things you chirp off about). The truth is, you driveled on about eugenics, of all things - for gawd knows what purpose other than you being "triggered" (using your words) and/or otherwise unhinged. Again, your addiction to copium and hopium and your continued demonstration of speaking about topics you don't have knowledge/understanding about would be humorous, if it weren't so sad.

 

[overdone]

My issues with cons is that their proposed spending cuts almost *ALWAYS* target the less well off in societies when as shown, the majority of new growth has flown to top percentiles with a highly skewed distribution .

your delusions of reality are noted, what cuts?

the 40% increase in federal gov't workers?

that we're getting great VFM from?

median incomes are down, now

CEO pay is higher now, without cuts, than ever

and the least well off are the ones who are hurting the worst now, mainly cause of inflation, tax increases, which do trickle down


so the Turd/NDP way is working?

balance, there is/has been none for 8 yrs, cuts are the only way to bring some balance back, in the right areas

haven't seen Pierre claim he's going to take milk out of babies mouths, so where are these cuts?

that are going to make it worse than it is now, which is the worst and only getting worse for another yr/half

look at all the corporate welfare, just recently, welfare for people making above median incomes

that's about 100 billion+ alone, 50-70B yearly on welfare for mostly well off, middle class, not the bottom

he's giving welfare to pretty much any group as bribes, you can't cut that?


look at revenue/spending from 2015 to now, cuts are needed, otherwise, it's only going to get worse

or can you spend beyond your CC forever?

 

[LLLurkJ2]

It's the truth. It is sad when an adult (i.e. you) continues on with nonsense. Such nonsense only highlighting your lack of understanding. Such nonsense that leads you to go off about eugenics, when the topic was government fiscal records. Sure, I thought better and deleted that comment you are now quoting. But okay, continue on chirping in simply because you are confronted with the truth. The truth is, you don't have a clue about what nominal dollars are (among other things you chirp off about). The truth is, you driveled on about eugenics, of all things - for gawd knows what purpose other than you being "triggered" (using your words) and/or otherwise unhinged. Again, your addiction to copium and hopium and your continued demonstration of speaking about topics you don't have knowledge/understanding about would be humorous, if it weren't so sad.

Copium and hopium, buzzwords from the depths of the misery mire.

It's the truth. It is sad when an adult (i.e. you) continues on with nonsense. Such nonsense only highlighting your lack of understanding. Such nonsense that leads you to go off about eugenics, when the topic was government fiscal records. Sure, I thought better and deleted that comment you are now quoting. But okay, continue on chirping in simply because you are confronted with the truth. The truth is, you don't have a clue about what nominal dollars are (among other things you chirp off about). The truth is, you driveled on about eugenics, of all things - for gawd knows what purpose other than you being "triggered" (using your words) and/or otherwise unhinged. Again, your addiction to copium and hopium and your continued demonstration of speaking about topics you don't have knowledge/understanding about would be humorous, if it weren't so sad.

So sad.. boo hoo. I like how you ignore the personality disorder and scoiopathy but concentrate on Eugenics, its great when people can own it.

Canada is so bad is your cry. Wer're middle of the pack in debt to gdp of the g7, lowest of the bunch using standard measures . The countries that are debt free who arent major oil producers tend to be ones with stong social and egalitarian bents like Sweden, Denmark.

No other G7 economy has paid off its debt. Why is that ? What could they possibly know that some Harper fanboy who masturbates to Ayn Rand books doesnt?

 

[80watts]

I will remember Covid as the pandemic that "wiped out" 0.0785 percent of the world's population.

What I will remember more is the ridiculous overreaction of most governments.

The mess that was created will take many years to fix.

Completely unnecessary.

Covid 19 started in late 2019. Shutdowns started happening in March/April of 2020. 1st Vaccine ready for Jan 2021.
The shutdown was a major failure. Why?
1. People don't like being told what to do. People do not like strangers.
2. People are not self sufficient (meaning they can't live without going to the store), and they don't prepare for long term shut-down of stores (avg apartment/house is not built to hold food stores etc).
3 Governments were not prepared for a economy shutdown, nor did they have adequate resources to tide their populations over the shutdown period.
4. Medical supplies were not enough (ventillators, masks, drugs etc).
5 Every person had a different opinion on Covid, due to lack of early details (where from, what it was, how to stop it), because these questions couldn't be answeared the shut-down had to happen (Cause nobody knew shit). But the shut-down didn't happen, because vital products were still moving. And people/Elites were traveling still.
6. Every body at the start of the Covid shut-down tried to get Home (to their spouse, family etc). So they travelled. If people were stranded they would have to stay with strangers. Would you like to have a stranger stay with you during an epidemic/shutdown? It was a shit-show.

Today alot of people like to say that the Covid response was "unnecessary", and that I think is the wrong attitude. What happens in the future when the next virus is alot more deadly?
People were not prepared for a long term shutdown.
Governments were not prepared for a long term shutdown.

One of the problems is this philosophy of "on order of product" in order to save space and cost of storing a product. So product still had to be made, adding time as a factor to get products to the consumer. 6 months into Covid, and you saw it on store shelves. Rationing and the interruption of supply chains.

 

[appleomac]

I like how you ignore the personality disorder and scoiopathy but concentrate on Eugenics, its great when people can own it.

LOL! Ignoring drivel is a good way to deal with those that cannot coherently discuss the topic at hand. It's also your MO - no substantive points to make about the topic at hand (due to your complete lack of understanding about the topic at hand) so you pivot to something not germane to the conversation.

Canada is so bad is your cry. Wer're middle of the pack in debt to gdp of the g7, lowest of the bunch using standard measures . The countries that are debt free who arent major oil producers tend to be ones with stong social and egalitarian bents like Sweden, Denmark.

There's another one of your MO's - arguing points I never made. Again, debt to GDP was not in the public consciousness until the 2015 election. It was a slick slogan for the Libs to convince the less than sharp tools in the shed (i.e. folks like you), that more and more and more debt is justified by some arbitrary debt to GDP ratio. If you're 350 lbs and morbidly obese, it really doesn't matter that your neighbour is 450 lbs. That doesn't change the fact that you are still morbidly obese. LOL

No other G7 economy has paid off its debt. Why is that ? What could they possibly know that some Harper fanboy who masturbates to Ayn Rand books doesnt?

Again, what does that have to do with anything? You would watch your neighbour drive off a cliff and then say "well, if they are doing it, so should I" - that is the infantile mindset. This country made extremely tough choices in the early 90's due to 2 decades of non-stop deficits. Those hard choices led to the federal government of the day slashing transfers to provinces. My concern is not about what the US is doing or what any other G7 country is doing. My concern is not having to repeat the past because of people who continually ignore that past (which wasn't even that long ago). You want to copy others and/or use others as some justification for copious amounts of never ending deficits (the child's mindset - "but they're doing it too"). I, on the other hand, am guided by the old saying - those that ignore the past are doomed to repeat it. To say that you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed would be an insult to dull and unsharpened tools! LOL

 

[80watts]

Billions were spent in Canada during the Covid crisis.

Billions were wasted.

The Arrivcan app is just one small example.

Overpayments in supports to businesses and individuals.

The government created the need for support and then exacerbated the problem by trying to pay for everything and everybody.

The most ridiculous virtue signaling exercise in the history of the world.

The government is looking after you.

The government will save your life.

The government will fix everything.

Government, government, government.

Looking forward to getting rid of the current government.

Biggest clown show ever.

Yes there was waste.
My thoughts on why money was being spent was to keep the monetary system liquid.
A guy buys a home, has a mortgage on it, he rents it out. If the renters during covid don't pay rent, then the guy can't make payments on the mortgage. The Bank dosn't lose money, it just sells the house at a later time. So the guy dosn't lose out on his future investment.

I like to think the people are the government, but the reality is far different. Its people in the civil service that control recommendations and policies that go to politicians. The civil service has a lot of pull/persuasion in the policies being drafted.

We have a socialist type of government, as we have medical care, and unemployment and welfare and disability. The problem seems Canada is getting too socialist, as too many people are taking advantage of the systems we have in place. With an aging population it will be more difficult for people in Canada after the last baby boomer retires in 5-10 years time.

The problem is finding money to pay for the nice things like social programs and health care with dwindling resources of tax money.

The next government will have to cut waste, demand accountability for any money spent, and get the economy working better.

The next government will have to up the corporate tax rates. Increase the GST to 6% or 7%. The next government will not be a popular one, but it has to balance the budget and get spending under control, all while stimulating economy and building infrastructure. Big Big effort required..... But they will lose out on the next election, because the opposition will just say "tax break" and get voted in.

One of the things they will have to do is put a premium tax on un-renewable resources. (gas, oil, mining). Something like 50-70% of sale price goes into a fund for future generations. Right now people look at resources as throw away items, when they are gone, what is Canada going to do then? This goes back to my thinking the people are the government.

 

[80watts]

Copium and hopium, buzzwords from the depths of the misery mire.

So sad.. boo hoo. I like how you ignore the personality disorder and scoiopathy but concentrate on Eugenics, its great when people can own it.

Canada is so bad is your cry. Wer're middle of the pack in debt to gdp of the g7, lowest of the bunch using standard measures . The countries that are debt free who arent major oil producers tend to be ones with stong social and egalitarian bents like Sweden, Denmark.

No other G7 economy has paid off its debt. Why is that ? What could they possibly know that some Harper fanboy who masturbates to Ayn Rand books doesnt?

These countries best feature is limited infrastructure, whereas in CANADA we need alot of infrastructure due to the large land area. You can drive across these countries in an afternoon, while it takes several days to drive across CANADA coast to coast. Their cities are more compact while ours are spread out.

 

[carvesg]

With all this arguing that has not progressed to a consensus; I think I'm gonna vote for the Lemon Party after voting PPC and PC for 4 decades

But we still have 18 months to agree on something...

 

[80watts]

your delusions of reality are noted, what cuts?

the 40% increase in federal gov't workers?

that we're getting great VFM from?

median incomes are down, now

CEO pay is higher now, without cuts, than ever

and the least well off are the ones who are hurting the worst now, mainly cause of inflation, tax increases, which do trickle down


so the Turd/NDP way is working?

balance, there is/has been none for 8 yrs, cuts are the only way to bring some balance back, in the right areas

haven't seen Pierre claim he's going to take milk out of babies mouths, so where are these cuts?

that are going to make it worse than it is now, which is the worst and only getting worse for another yr/half

look at all the corporate welfare, just recently, welfare for people making above median incomes

that's about 100 billion+ alone, 50-70B yearly on welfare for mostly well off, middle class, not the bottom

he's giving welfare to pretty much any group as bribes, you can't cut that?


look at revenue/spending from 2015 to now, cuts are needed, otherwise, it's only going to get worse

or can you spend beyond your CC forever?

The problem is that Canada is a socialist country, where the people getting the benifits of socialism will keep voting socialist in....Basicly in the early 70s Turd senior created the monster and it won't stop until the monster is dead.

 

[peteinbc]

Harper's deficits minus surpluses totaled $120 billion in 9 years in office. During the financial crisis of 08/09 (at the time, the largest/worst recession since the Great Depression), Harper had the largest single annual deficit in Canadian history - at $55 billion.

At the time Harper had a minority, had proposed a smaller stimulus, but Libs and NDP stated if did not increase stimulus, would not vote for it so the 55B needs a bit of an asterix. Yes 55B but partially pushed by the opposition as had proposed smaller.

Current issue with general affordability is the government currently is taking too much $$ out of peoples pockets which is why do not have any. Spend less.

 

[LLLurkJ2]

LOL! Ignoring drivel is a good way to deal with those that cannot coherently discuss the topic at hand. It's also your MO - no substantive points to make about the topic at hand (due to your complete lack of understanding about the topic at hand) so you pivot to something not germane to the conversation.



There's another one of your MO's - arguing points I never made. Again, debt to GDP was not in the public consciousness until the 2015 election. It was a slick slogan for the Libs to convince the less than sharp tools in the shed (i.e. folks like you), that more and more and more debt is justified by some arbitrary debt to GDP ratio. If you're 350 lbs and morbidly obese, it really doesn't matter that your neighbour is 450 lbs. That doesn't change the fact that you are still morbidly obese. LOL



Again, what does that have to do with anything? You would watch your neighbour drive off a cliff and then say "well, if they are doing it, so should I" - that is the infantile mindset. This country made extremely tough choices in the early 90's due to 2 decades of non-stop deficits. Those hard choices led to the federal government of the day slashing transfers to provinces. My concern is not about what the US is doing or what any other G7 country is doing. My concern is not having to repeat the past because of people who continually ignore that past (which wasn't even that long ago). You want to copy others and/or use others as some justification for copious amounts of never ending deficits (the child's mindset - "but they're doing it too"). I, on the other hand, am guided by the old saying - those that ignore the past are doomed to repeat it. To say that you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed would be an insult to dull and unsharpened tools! LOL

When did i advocate for copious amounts of never ending deficits? Thats just hyperbolic mouth frothing from you again.

Dont want to repeat the past? Dont elect conservatives with the same old playbook , because there are no new policies there only classist authoritarianism. Maybe the Lemon party is the way to go.