2024 Canadian Political Thread

oldshark

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Is Maher wrong?

Maher described Canada as a “cautionary tale” for the United States, particularly in terms of what he referred to as "extreme wokeness".

Maher pointed out that Canada added 1.3 million people in 2023 alone, equivalent to the U.S. adding 11 million migrants to its population of 335 million. He made this comment amidst Canada’s ongoing housing crisis.

He also criticized Canada’s healthcare system, stating it "ranks dead last among high-income countries in access to primary health care and ability to see a doctor in a day or two".

Maher concluded by saying, "The moral of that tale is, yes, you can move too far left and when you do, you wind up pushing the people in the middle to the right".
I have to use the medical system on a regular basis. I have done so in both countries. For the record, the reason, I am still alive is because of Canadian doctors not American ones. In intensive care, I once saw 11 doctors in 5 days. Sure they were available right away but they were fucking useless. In Canada, I went to my GP and he diagnosed me with a rare illness in less than 5 minutes. I was in the hospital 30 minutes later and diagnosis was confirmed. So I will take Canadian doctors, Bill Maher notwithstanding!!!
 
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Radio News bumped an old 2021 story up couple of days ago:

The original contractor for the behind-schedule and over-budget North Shore Wastewater Treatment Plant project is suing Metro Vancouver for the wrongful termination of its contract, as well as millions of dollars in payments it alleges the regional district wrongfully withheld.

The nearly 100-page lawsuit filed in B.C. Supreme Court on Thursday by Acciona Wastewater Solutions LP alleges that Metro Vancouver - formally the Greater Vancouver Sewerage and Drainage District - "repeatedly and wrongfully conducted itself" during the project's design phase "in a manner that subverted the achievement of the commercial purposes.

It also alleges that the regional district was responsible for the vast majority of delays to the project's timeline and demanded that the contractor meet a deadline that it knew was "physically impossible to achieve."

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/contractor-fi...-of-north-shore-wastewater-contract-1.5843340

Socialists supposed to be planners. Contractor claims over 1000 government modifications to the original contract pushed cost over budget. BC fired contractor and didn't pay for work done. Planning to test points of law with taxpayer money isn't what folks want to see in an already fake economy of non-production and inflating currency.
Shouldn't it be the morons at the GVRD rather the BC government directly?
 

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Shouldn't it be the morons at the GVRD rather the BC government directly?
The auditor general should be doing an in depth fully forensic accounting of this incredible debacle. And heads should be rolling right and left. But you know, the accountability shit that our systems have ...
 

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From what I know of the wastewater treatment plant, there is a whole slew of incompetent guilty parties including the original engineering consultants, the GVRD purchasing and engineering staff, the design engineering company, the contracting company, etc. It is easy to blame the politicians but a lot of the blame probably should go to the regional and municipal staff. I know people who reviewed the original design and warned the GVRD of issues but the staff ignored the warnings.
 

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I have to use the medical system on a regular basis. I have done so in both countries. For the record, the reason, I am still alive is because of Canadian doctors not American ones. In intensive care, I once saw 11 doctors in 5 days. Sure they were available right away but they were fucking useless. In Canada, I went to my GP and he diagnosed me with a rare illness in less than 5 minutes. I was in the hospital 30 minutes later and diagnosis was confirmed. So I will take Canadian doctors, Bill Maher notwithstanding!!!

yeah that's fine, for you

but you aren't the rule, you're the exception, most wait forever, most wait in pain, most wait

if you are lucky, cause that's what our system is, luck of the draw

if you happen to be in the right place at the right time, get the right Dr, the test you need when you need it, if they want to pay for it

our system doesn't do what you need, it does what it wants to pay for, if it gets done at all

we have basic GP care, if you can find a Dr, you have one, 20% or so don't

then we have basic Acute care, again, if they deem it "necessary" which a lot isn't

Maher's point wasn't that our Dr's aren't competent, but that the system doesn't produce VFM

when it comes to results

which day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, decade after decade

stats have proven you aren't the rule



you want to know how bad our system is?

just the other day, a court ordered that a mental patient who wants a DICK AND A VAGINA should get the surgery paid for

by our broken/bankrupt system, out of the country, in the U.S.

while others wait for actual "HEALTHCARE" OR DON'T GET IT CAUSE SOME BOARD SAYS IT ISN'T "NECESSARY"
 
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This is tired right wing meme bullshit that we've all heard before.

China is on board and building huge solar farms to transition from expensive fossil fuels to inexpensive renewables (before you blather about Chinese coal plants, look-up 'transition' in the dictionary). 60% of the EVs sold in the world are sold in China. Much of the same is going on in India.

In fact, the only folks in denial are MAGA Republicans in the US (who also believe God sent Trump), some Canadian Reform Party conservatives (who are almost as ridiculous), and Putin.

So you're not exactly in good company.

Smart people know that to remain competitive we must transition to cheaper renewables (compare electricity prices in BC and Quebec to the shitshow in oil, coal and gas-burning Alberta).

If you guys were around 100 years ago, we'd still be riding horses and up to our asses in horseshit. Fossil fuels had a good run, but that's slowly coming to an end.

What creates inflation is using energy that is priced halfway around the world by dictators in Saudi Arabia and Moscow, because they control the supply.

What creates inflation is shortages caused by a war that is funded by Putin's oil revenue.

https://time.com/china-massive-floating-solar-field/

yeah, except reality, facts, MATH doesn't support your delusions

China, 1.5 Billion, same with India

EV's in China, where almost no one has a car, same with India, sure, math, facts, everyone in the U.S is a millionaire too right? :rolleyes:

if they had vehicle ownership like the 1st world, they, like the 1st world wouldn't be able to produce the electricity needed, Green that is

we can't, they won't be able to either, it would/will bankrupt us

and the shitshow in AB, we don't have hydro, we don't have rivers to damn up

which BC is having issues with now, they imported power, will probably have to again

go look at the estimates of how many site C damns you would need to get rid of oil energy just for cars, which at the rate dams are built in Canada

we'd all be dead and the next generation too, before they'd be completed, lol

EV's aren't going to be everywhere

the world doesn't have the minerals to build enough batteries for the 1st world let alone

3 billion for the 3rd world

EV's are already not selling, why, cause people don't want them

who wants a vehicle where you need to replace the 8G or more battery after only 8 yrs, when you can buy a vehicle that will last 20-25 now

and then there's the lie about "EV" sales

they include hybrids in those numbers, which aren't fully EV's

oil isn't going anywhere, everyone on here will be dead first
 

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yeah that's fine, for you

but you aren't the rule, you're the exception, most wait forever, most wait in pain, most wait

if you are lucky, cause that's what our system is, luck of the draw

if you happen to be in the right place at the right time, get the right Dr, the test you need when you need it, if they want to pay for it

our system doesn't do what you need, it does what it wants to pay for, if it gets done at all

we have basic GP care, if you can find a Dr, you have one, 20% or so don't

then we have basic Acute care, again, if they deem it "necessary" which a lot isn't

Maher's point wasn't that our Dr's aren't competent, but that the system doesn't produce VFM

when it comes to results

which day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, decade after decade

stats have proven you aren't the rule



you want to know how bad our system is?

just the other day, a court ordered that a mental patient who wants a DICK AND A VAGINA should get the surgery paid for

by our broken/bankrupt system, out of the country, in the U.S.

while others wait for actual "HEALTHCARE" OR DON'T GET IT CAUSE SOME BOARD SAYS IT ISN'T "NECESSARY"
And I remember when I lived in the US where people wouldn't even go to the doctor if they didn't have the insurance. I agree that the doctors were far more competent in my case. But I have also seen where so many people in the US do not get adequate care. How is medical care funded in the US by so many, say 'GoFundMe'. Look at all the personal bankruptcies created by the system. Really, really, I do not believe that you have the expertise to comment on this. I also think that much of the information provided by the news, etc., is propaganda paid for my the medical insurance companies. All my family including myself (and all my friends that I can think of) have gotten adequate personal medical care throughout our lives. So the system has worked for us. And I can always find stories of where the system fails in Canada, and also very easily in the US.
 

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https://edmontonsun.com/news/nation...-happy-to-finally-get-trudeau-out-of-her-life

this is how bad it's gotten in Canada under the Turd

Grama would rather die than having to put up with the Turd

maybe that's why so many are choosing MAID
If a person picks death because they can't deal with Trudeau, it is on them. They are pretty pathetic. She is just another bitter, pathetic old person looking to blame someone else for the problems in her life. I don't blame anyone, not even Trump (I don't blame him for my problems, he is just a despicable disgusting person) for my problems. I certainly wouldn't commit suicide if Trump or any other friggin fascist wins. And the story is so typical of the Edmonton Sun. And of the Ottawa Sun, and of the Toronto Sun. And let us not forget the National Post. Don't they all have a common owner? Jeez. You are not convincing anyone.
 
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That horrible contractor from the wastewater project is on the list to build the new Skytrain stations to Langley 🤦🏻‍♂️
If you hand out a contract, you should know how much the work will cost, and the profit margin the contractor will make.

Adding to a contract and puting in more stipulations after the contract is signed is growth work and should be charged accordingly.

The amount of extras added to the contract shows that the bureaucrats dont have a clue on how to make a contract. Basicly they are inept because they should of seen complications and allowed for the extra growth in the contract. Shoddy work by the bureaucrats that made the contract. Your tax dollars at work/waste.

There is a big difference on how the government states how a contract works and the reality of a contract.
 

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This is tired right wing meme bullshit that we've all heard before.

China is on board and building huge solar farms to transition from expensive fossil fuels to inexpensive renewables (before you blather about Chinese coal plants, look-up 'transition' in the dictionary). 60% of the EVs sold in the world are sold in China. Much of the same is going on in India.

In fact, the only folks in denial are MAGA Republicans in the US (who also believe God sent Trump), some Canadian Reform Party conservatives (who are almost as ridiculous), and Putin.

So you're not exactly in good company.

Smart people know that to remain competitive we must transition to cheaper renewables (compare electricity prices in BC and Quebec to the shitshow in oil, coal and gas-burning Alberta).

If you guys were around 100 years ago, we'd still be riding horses and up to our asses in horseshit. Fossil fuels had a good run, but that's slowly coming to an end.

What creates inflation is using energy that is priced halfway around the world by dictators in Saudi Arabia and Moscow, because they control the supply.

What creates inflation is shortages caused by a war that is funded by Putin's oil revenue.

https://time.com/china-massive-floating-solar-field/
I think there is a need for perspective.
# Coal plants being build vs Solar Plants in China.
Yes many of the EV are being built in China, but they are like any country you need electricity to run the EV. Therefore that is why China is building more Coal plants. Yes they are building solar plants, but probally not enough to make up electricity for the EV cars, and Chinas large economy.
When people talk about solar panels they should talk about the efficiency of the solar panel and the more efficient panel are not cheap.
A cheap solar panel means that you will be replacing it in 10-15 years. All solar panel degrade after time (10-20 years).
Just like the battery in your iphone, it will recharge less in a few years time. All machines degrade over time. Batteries and solar panels will not be any different.

It also takes time to build infrastructure to support solar, which in return could support EV and the economy. As science and technology advance, new materials will be found to make solar panels more efficient and last longer. EV technology depends on Rare Earth Metals (used in the manufacture of batteries and electric motors ).
And the downside to building solar panels on water is sunlight not making it below the water to the life in the water.

BC, ON, Que, MN, and NF are all gifted with hydro electric plants because they have rivers/mountains where they can make dams. AB does not, and used coal and oil, but they have the option of nuclear.

As for why we use Saudi oil, the idea is to use their supply up first.
Here in Canada we have the oil sands, hibernia, the arctic and the Queen Charlottes (dumb fucking NDP government-did they give that away too?). We have large amount of coal in NE BC, coal can be made into hydrocarbons, but takes more energy to do so.

https://www.bing.com/videos/rivervi...8966084A2A5C00DE9E0D8966084A2A5C00D&FORM=VIRE
 

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Before Covid, I went to the nearest clinic to see a doctor, had to get there early in order to see a doctor that day. Over Covid the same clinic used phone service to talk to a doctor. Then the same clinic stopped seeing anyone who did not have a doctor at the clinic.
Most clinic used to see extra patients (who did not have a doctor), and now they don't see those patients who don't have a doctor. It has to do with getting more money for their nurses/organizers at the clinics.
Lets talk about people who don't have doctors and have a disease/medical condition. The condition is not being monitored by 1 doctor but many, who have different view on how such a disease will be treated, and therefore what drugs you take. Its a fucken shit show.

That leaves the emergency room and hospital run clinics. At those places it takes hours to triage patients and you are being sent away if they don't have any more timeslots for their doctors to see you. Its fucken bullshit. No one should walk away from an emergency room when they have pain, without seeing a doctor. But that is the norm now.

The doctors are to blame, why "lifestyle", not going to work 70 hours a week, too little pay, their office staff get paid dick shit nothing. Covid overwork by the health care system (burnout). Closing clinics to non-doctor patients. Alot of their problems are caused by the health system and how much it pays for stuff. But the doctors are the key to the health care system. Even people that have doctors have to wait up to 2 weeks to see their doctor.

But the big thing is everyone in the "Health Care System" is passing the buck/blame.
The reality is the Health Care system is full of administrators that are passing the buck. Sending out stupid and needless directives and emails, making life/work more complicated for their workers and doctors and nurses.

So why is there a shortage of doctors now, when they knew about this 20 years ago. Governments sat on their asses. All those politicians you voted for, ignore the health care system, while giving themselves raises.

If your not happy with the health care system, tell the government about it. vote the fuckers.....

You need a public forum in every city on how the system is failing. With doctors and nurses, administrators and staff (hospitals and doctors offices) there to answear questions from the public. Get it out in the open.....
Not a bureaucrat writting an email.
 

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If you hand out a contract, you should know how much the work will cost, and the profit margin the contractor will make.

Adding to a contract and puting in more stipulations after the contract is signed is growth work and should be charged accordingly.

The amount of extras added to the contract shows that the bureaucrats dont have a clue on how to make a contract. Basicly they are inept because they should of seen complications and allowed for the extra growth in the contract. Shoddy work by the bureaucrats that made the contract. Your tax dollars at work/waste.

There is a big difference on how the government states how a contract works and the reality of a contract.
It goes deeper than that, shoddy workmanship is all over that site, low bidder usually leads to; you get what you pay for
 

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If you hand out a contract, you should know how much the work will cost, and the profit margin the contractor will make.

Adding to a contract and puting in more stipulations after the contract is signed is growth work and should be charged accordingly.

The amount of extras added to the contract shows that the bureaucrats dont have a clue on how to make a contract. Basicly they are inept because they should of seen complications and allowed for the extra growth in the contract. Shoddy work by the bureaucrats that made the contract. Your tax dollars at work/waste.

There is a big difference on how the government states how a contract works and the reality of a contract.
It is not just bureaucrats. I see a real failure in the quality and attitude of the engineering management and engineers not only at the contractor but especially with the supervising public organization (I guess the waste treatment arm of the GVRD).
 

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Alberta is worse, many things we build for use in Alberta needs 3 inspectors to check it, 1 checks the product, 1 watches the inspector the 3rd watches the 2nd inspector. Funny part is it needs no inspection if it was built in Alberta. Wonder if Alberta taxpayers know where their money is going
 

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Drama queen till the day she dies.
If a person picks death because they can't deal with Trudeau, it is on them. They are pretty pathetic. She is just another bitter, pathetic old person looking to blame someone else for the problems in her life. I don't blame anyone, not even Trump (I don't blame him for my problems, he is just a despicable disgusting person) for my problems. I certainly wouldn't commit suicide if Trump or any other friggin fascist wins. And the story is so typical of the Edmonton Sun. And of the Ottawa Sun, and of the Toronto Sun. And let us not forget the National Post. Don't they all have a common owner? Jeez. You are not convincing anyone.

Jesus Christ, you two can't recognize sarcasm when you see it?

really?

you really think this was a serious indepth article?

ffs

and instead of blaming the News Org's

maybe look at the reality of what Trudeau's policies, lack of real action

has cost millions of Canadians over the short 8 yrs

there is nothing, nothing that he's done well

the closest thing is selling pot, which he screwed up

there isn't one win in 8 yrs, not one, that's made life better for the country as a whole

despite all his Trump like lies

but you like the other TruAnons

blame the messenger, regurgitating the obvious

even his Bitch finally caught on and left him

with her hand on her heart of course as she left :rolleyes: couldn't find the sarcasm one, but maybe you'll get it this time
 

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Alberta is worse, many things we build for use in Alberta needs 3 inspectors to check it, 1 checks the product, 1 watches the inspector the 3rd watches the 2nd inspector. Funny part is it needs no inspection if it was built in Alberta. Wonder if Alberta taxpayers know where their money is going
no, all provinces are the same it's just degrees of separation

you can't build anything in Canada anymore, due to political correctness, wokeness, green bullshit, lack of leadership, allowing anyone and everyone, actually only one person/Province/group to block something

Que, BC or a Native group now

we're becoming a banana republic, which we'll all pay for in the long run

it's why investment has fled Canada, even people who are in Canada with money no longer want to invest here

it's why Freeland is thinking of forcing Pension Plans to do it, which again will hurt people's pensions with lower returns

not that she hasn't made people poorer every day she's been in charge of the money, she's clueless just like the Turd
 

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no, all provinces are the same it's just degrees of separation

you can't build anything in Canada anymore, due to political correctness, wokeness, green bullshit, lack of leadership, allowing anyone and everyone, actually only one person/Province/group to block something

Que, BC or a Native group now

we're becoming a banana republic, which we'll all pay for in the long run

it's why investment has fled Canada, even people who are in Canada with money no longer want to invest here

it's why Freeland is thinking of forcing Pension Plans to do it, which again will hurt people's pensions with lower returns

not that she hasn't made people poorer every day she's been in charge of the money, she's clueless just like the Turd
This is what happens when you have a failed journalist as your finance minister.

Canada's own Kamala Harris.

Criminally incompetent and a complete and utter failure.

Just like Trudeau.
 

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Jesus Christ, you two can't recognize sarcasm when you see it?

really?

you really think this was a serious indepth article?

ffs

and instead of blaming the News Org's

maybe look at the reality of what Trudeau's policies, lack of real action

has cost millions of Canadians over the short 8 yrs

there is nothing, nothing that he's done well

the closest thing is selling pot, which he screwed up

there isn't one win in 8 yrs, not one, that's made life better for the country as a whole

despite all his Trump like lies

but you like the other TruAnons

blame the messenger, regurgitating the obvious

even his Bitch finally caught on and left him

with her hand on her heart of course as she left :rolleyes: couldn't find the sarcasm one, but maybe you'll get it this time
Moses, Bhudda and that Zorastrian god-dude! Im tired of people posting these bullshit articles to drum up irratational sentiment unchallenged. You dont like his policies and have a different politcal view, fine. Thr destrucrion of civil discourse with slurs and 'Fuck Trudeau' slogans is a slide into culure wars like the states, mosltly imported by American owned 'news' papers.
 
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