2024 Canadian Political Thread
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If government's shouldn't buy pipelines (which I tend to agree with), what say you about the federal government buying a pipeline for $30 billion and counting? Why is your disdain reserved for one party doing some "thing", whereas you ignore/give a pass to a party of a different stripe doing that exact same "thing"?
1. I didn't say the government shouldn't invest in pipelines.
2. The Trudeau Liberals bought an actual pipeline that exists in real life. They twinned it, and now it will flow ~1 million BPD.
3. The Kenney UCP gave TransCanada Energy $1.3- $1.5 billion for a pipeline (Keystone XL) that doesn't exist and will never be built. They lost $1.5 billion taxpayer bucks.
See the difference?
https://calgary.citynews.ca/2021/06/10/kenney-pipeline-money-wasted/
There is no difference. The government's job is not to be the bag-holders for all Canadian individuals' or corps' to download their risk onto. Trudeau buying TMX and Kenny buying a piece of Keystone XL both highlight why commercial risk should remain in the private sector. If the federal government didn't foolishly buy TMX, Kinder Morgan (and their shareholders) rightfully, would have borne the commercial risk of such an endeavor (i.e. the construction risk of twinning TMX). Instead, now, all taxpayers have underwritten and are responsible for $30 billion and counting. Government money DOES NOT obviate risk. If you start a restaurant, you take that risk - if no one eats at that restaurant or you cannot afford to buy equipment for the restaurant or you can no longer afford the lease of the premises, the government SHOULD NOT come along and "save your bacon." You took the risk - ergo, if successful, you deserve the rewards and the flip side to that coin is that you bear the risk of it doesn't succeed. If government constantly bails out companies, they would take bad risks (because big brother will always bail them out) - private enterprise/private citizens should only take good risk.
Almost as bad as the gun registry program that the liberals brought in. Allan Rock stood up in parliament and said it would cost no more than 2 million. Costs eventually ballooned to nearly 2 billion, talk about a colossal waste of money. Can you imagine someone in private industry whose project cost 1000 times more than they said it would ? They’d be fired a thousand times over. Some liberal clown does it in government and no big deal.
Part of the problem with elections is the way the lines are drawn around the population centers. If you are only going to get 40% of the popular vote, you concentrate on areas that bring in the most ridings with the minimum number of votes. The other part is that Ontario and Quebec win the house if you take the majority of riding there. The east coast and Western provinces are second string. The last 20 years of a divided Quebec has made for interesting elections in Canada.
In Canada most people I think are in favour of socialist programs for health care, day care, welfare, etc. So divided by NDP and Liberal policies on these topics divides the votes in each riding. Conservatives win only in rural areas and when people in Canada are sick of Liberal leaders.
For the most part policies set by Liberal and Conservative governments in the past, have been in my opinion okay with voters, that they really don't care who is the government, except when they spend too much, or is making life harder for the average voter.
There is a problem in your country when they spend more on Aboriginals (39 Billion) then on Military (23 Billion) budgets. Of the 697,510 aboriginal people in Canada with Registered Indian status, 45.3 percent live on reserve. Although some 5% claim Aboriginal descent. No doubt trying to get tax free status, which only works if you live on the reservation.
That is less than 0.02% of the population of Canada. I used 698,000/39,000,000.
Every where you turn it Aboriginal that, or Aboriginal this, you attend university you have to have an aboriginal course to graduate. If you work in any major government you have to acknowledge that the land you are on is Aboriginal Land of some type, where political correctness is being shoved down the populations throats. Not to mention that you have to put your personal pronouns in any email you send off in your signature block.
Canada is a multi-Cultural society with Europeans (Germans, Russians, English, French, Spanish), Asians and Africans.
No one person despite their race is better than any other race or ethnic background; why should Aboriginals be different. Why the fuck are they so special under politicians eyes. They are allowed to vote in Federal elections but they maintain that each tribe is a separate nation. I say wave the magic wand and take all that status away from them and tax them, like any other Canadian Citizen.
The problem now is the Canadian Charter of Rights. Now Governments are giving control/consulting of to Aboriginals where anything concerning use of Land, and its not on a reservation.
The Canadian government likely owes Indigenous people almost $76 billion for currently filed land claims and lawsuits, recent official reporting says — a sum that's nearly seven times greater today than when Justin Trudeau became prime minister. Again this a a CBC report, while in the past land claims covered over 110% of BC land area, which is worth Trillions of dollars. So someone is fudging the numbers.
Its been said that 71.9% of the population just pull statistics out of their ass. 80.9% of the time. Which is right about 47.7% in all cases
actually there was a difference, both were stupid
but one, TM was caused by Trudeau
Kenney didn't cause the other, Biden did
one is within, completely, our borders
one is in our national interest, while both would have benefited the country
bottomline you're right the gov'ts aren't/shouldn't be picking winners
just look at how bad Trudeau is at it, he hasn't had one winner yet
another one for all you delusional NDP/Liberal Carbon Tax cult members
Coal, shipments out of that Green Oasis BC, not British Columbia, that's racist
Thermal coal, the bad one, up basically double since the cardboard cutout got in
LNG, pretty much nothing, half the emissions
most of that coal is from the U.S., cause their Greenies on the Left Coast won't let it go thru there anymore
China, half of world's coal for electricity
India another 15%
for the short bus, ie Liberal/NDP cult members out there, that's 65% of the worst
which could be reduced with our LNG
not to mention everyone reliant on Putin
but there is no case for that according to our Dear Leader, which would reduce emissions worldwide by more than what Canada emits every year
if you could replace that coal
but you need to tax Canadians instead, Trudeau had 8 years to push LNG (go look at what the U.S did in that time)
on both coasts, create jobs, taxes
instead we're going the other way
but a Carbon tax is going to save the world
Coal, shipments out of that Green Oasis BC, not British Columbia, that's racist
Thermal coal, the bad one, up basically double since the cardboard cutout got in
LNG, pretty much nothing, half the emissions
most of that coal is from the U.S., cause their Greenies on the Left Coast won't let it go thru there anymore
China, half of world's coal for electricity
India another 15%
for the short bus, ie Liberal/NDP cult members out there, that's 65% of the worst
which could be reduced with our LNG
not to mention everyone reliant on Putin
but there is no case for that according to our Dear Leader, which would reduce emissions worldwide by more than what Canada emits every year
if you could replace that coal
but you need to tax Canadians instead, Trudeau had 8 years to push LNG (go look at what the U.S did in that time)
on both coasts, create jobs, taxes
instead we're going the other way
but a Carbon tax is going to save the world
I used google for those stats, sorry didn't pull them out of the thin air. LIke how many aboriginals live on reservations, etc.
But you are missing the point the federal liberal spent 39 billion on less than .02 % of the Canadian population and that was for 2023 Federal Budget.
If you don't believe me, google the facts yourself.
It always amazes me that the cult on the left never acknowledge they are no different than the cult on the right.
Memes are great for people that can't express themselves through regular forms of communication.
Like children and people with limited intellectual capabilites.
You're the one living in delusions. Feel free to go lie down in a forest fire this summer and pretend it won't burn you. There's more to choose from every year.
Do something to reduce the emissions? You say anti-tax, but of all the taxes that could be cut, it's the one the oil industry wants gone, not income taxes, sales taxes, small business fees. That proves where your puppet strings lead to.
Really your game is just to do nothing at all about a problem which gets worse every year. So like I said, fire + your unholy clown crew + ignition temperature = problem solved.
The fact the Libs still ship thermal coal is only proof that they should live up to their announcements, not apologize to fossil fuel fools who whine every time their F350 has to fill up on the way to conquer those speed bumps at the mall.
Since Xi Jinping and Narendra Modi are so anti-Canada lately, embargoing any thermal coal headed their way could actually be a good thing. Fuck em both.
"Not to mention everyone reliant on Putin". What a fucking joke.
I forget - is your political movement trying to be anti-Putin or pro-Putin this year. I guess you have to wait for orders from Washington before you can find out. Polly-fuckface will have to spit out Donnie's jizz before he can answer that one.
Trudeau has been pushing LNG along with Horgan and Eby, and pipelines too - what a fucking failure and waste of taxpayers money. Tens of billions of dollars, shit out of the federal treasury, because Trudeau wanted to make some half-assed apology to LOLberta, and they keep trying to overthrow him anyway. Is he stupidly naive, or are they ungrateful and treacherous? YES.
Either way, the carbon tax should stay, and the lower brackets of income tax should go down instead. Decisions should be made for the real world, not to satisfy the climate denier conspiracy thugs and their oil industry masters.
The writing is on the wall, the liberals are done and it’s high time. Once Trudeau carved out a carbon tax exemption for the maritimes use of home heating oil because of his falling poll numbers it pretty much indicated where his priorities lay. He can go back to teaching drama school, something he is better qualified to do.
Well, I have always refused to buy into that "If you hate Poillievre you must be a fan of Trudeau" BS. Nope. There are just different degrees of bad, and I do not want Canada to go from mediocre to absolute disaster.
The Liberals should have got rid of Trudeau after he failed in the last election, definitely. Normally one disappointing result would be curtains for a political leader, let alone two. The problem is not a policy one, nor management of day to day life issues. They got Canada through COVID with far less deaths and economic damage, after all.
As for the Conservatives, O'Toole was not nearly so much an asshole, and if the party had stuck to some sort of realism and decency as a party, instead of turning into a bunch of deceitful conspiracy thugs, maybe even I would consider them over certain issues.
But that "consider" from me died when I saw what the CPC was up to during COVID and afterwards - to me they are wedded to the idea of being assholes, absolutely disloyal to Canada and its people, and it looks like there is ZERO chance of that ever changing. Every time a conservative anywhere in Canada looks like they might be a non-asshole, some backroom institute in Calgary (or Washington?) waves its magic wand and that guy's career gets kicked into the gutter. The party zeitgeist is to have only MAGA-like assholes in charge, who will lie their asses off over literally any issue, and make nutcase thinking the basis of their party. To that effect, they dumped O'Toole for the biggest asshole they could find.
That fact might be the only actual chance the Libs have, because even if they have better policies overall, the Libs have done nothing but fuck up on communicating and delivering them. People are clearly tired of the current PM, and his way of ineffectually flailing around. Never have I seen someone who thinks chickening out on good polices somehow gives him political capital to press ahead on bad ones. They are committed to being wishy-washy - anti-decisive, and they actually think that works for them. They are their own worst enemy, and if they get defeated, it will be a testament to their mistakes, not their policies.
Carbon taxes, lowering GHG emissions, this should be easy issue to win - after Harper and his 9 years of backwards anti-science tyranny, after forest fires, floods, drought. They actually take action? Great. But then come the stupid give-backs to the other side of the argument (which has zero scientific credibility). "Oh we'll also spend $45 billion on the TMX pipeline; we'll also keep approving oil and LNG projects; oh we'll make an exemption for heating oil but only for these guys; oh we'll give rebates because people only understand getting a bonus cheque". What the fuck? I don't know exactly how much carbon taxes take in for them, but anyone can see that shelling out $45 or 50 billion to emission-creating industries just makes it ineffective.
The policy would be much clearer and 100% winnable if they just acted consistently and did not pussy out at the first sign of pushback. Guys like Guilbeault have the balls to do the right thing, but he's more abrasive because he is not a life-long Liberal; they recuited him, but then they always hang the guy out to dry (like with Jody Wilson Raybould). There is no "nice" way to take on snakes like Scott Moe or kooks like Danielle Smith, but Guilbeault is charging those enemy trenches basically alone. He might win a Victoria Cross for political bravery, but posthumously thanks to a PMO that's either too dumb or too timid to explain how carbon taxes actually work.
Same goes for the guns issue - the ONLY crime-related issue on which the Liberals had any credibility. They announce an assault weapon ban and a pistol ban, but once again, they let the disinfomation guys tell lies about it, they do not understand their own policy enough to counter-argue effectively, so then under pressure, they pussied out. Once again, god forbif you actually do something effective - your own PM and his staffers will undermine you with their mealy mouthed narratives that play into enemy hands.
Same goes on the military procurement issues, where the problem is not what they decide, but that they do not really decide anything for years, and even then might reverse it unexpectedly, while the expense just goes up and the world or war keeps changing. Not that their decisions are in the end any worse than their Con predecessors, but the dithering makes it seem like the system is deciding procurements for them, not the other way around.
Do not even get me started on how they promised electoral reform, said they would get rid of First Past The Post and actually had the power to do so, and then dithered the idea right into the grave. Now we're stuck with a system that forces politics to be worse than it ever needs to be, and (the way things are going) is going to be the demise of their party as some rat-faced scumbag laughs his way into absolute power which he does not deserve. It was an unforgivable fuck-up by the Liberals, and I guess they reap what they sow, but why does all of Canada have to reap it with them? We're the ones who need an electoral system that actually works, not the well-connected wankers who succeed at the dirty way politics are now.
Honestly, for all of Polly- Fuckhead's useless rage-farming noise about the Carbon Tax, the real weakness for the Liberals has always been the issue of crime. Every time the courts or prisons fuck up and a criminal goes free, every time junkies take over a city park or "randomly" attack people, it falls heaviest on them, because they like to be the average between the NDP which protects the street criminals too much and the Conservatives who protect the high-up criminals too much. They will never touch that sheltered little world of the legal elite, or dare utter the words that the Charter is being over-stretched by special interests to the point of absurdity. Justice? On the streets, the people know real justice is dead & gone. That is the thing quietly pissing everyone off, costing every honest person money, making them feel like they do not matter. Attacks against honest people go un-avenged; society breaks down as honesty itself is punished instead of rewarded. A smart and ethical conservative leader would focus on that issue, and never mind the oil-funded MAGA-junior conspiracy loon stuff. Such a leader could win an election even more easily.
But no - we have to get offered an alternative PM that's even worse than the current PM people are sick of. Voters might hold their nose and give that miserable opposition shitlord a chance to be PM, and after he spends a few years raping Canada until it's in a coma, then the Canadian people will go "oopsie, I guess he was full of shit the whole time!" .
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Too much coffee?Well, I have always refused to buy into that "If you hate Poillievre you must be a fan of Trudeau" BS. Nope. There are just different degrees of bad, and I do not want Canada to go from mediocre to absolute disaster.
The Liberals should have got rid of Trudeau after he failed in the last election, definitely. Normally one disappointing result would be curtains for a political leader, let alone two. The problem is not a policy one, nor management of day to day life issues. They got Canada through COVID with far less deaths and economic damage, after all.
As for the Conservatives, O'Toole was not nearly so much an asshole, and if the party had stuck to some sort of realism and decency as a party, instead of turning into a bunch of deceitful conspiracy thugs, maybe even I would consider them over certain issues.
But that "consider" from me died when I saw what the CPC was up to during COVID and afterwards - to me they are wedded to the idea of being assholes, absolutely disloyal to Canada and its people, and it looks like there is ZERO chance of that ever changing. Every time a conservative anywhere in Canada looks like they might be a non-asshole, some backroom institute in Calgary (or Washington?) waves its magic wand and that guy's career gets kicked into the gutter. The party zeitgeist is to have only MAGA-like assholes in charge, who will lie their asses off over literally any issue, and make nutcase thinking the basis of their party. To that effect, they dumped O'Toole for the biggest asshole they could find.
That fact might be the only actual chance the Libs have, because even if they have better policies overall, the Libs have done nothing but fuck up on communicating and delivering them. People are clearly tired of the current PM, and his way of ineffectually flailing around. Never have I seen someone who thinks chickening out on good polices somehow gives him political capital to press ahead on bad ones. They are committed to being wishy-washy - anti-decisive, and they actually think that works for them.
Carbon taxes, lowering GHG emissions, this should be easy issue to win - after Harper and his 9 years of backwards anti-science tyranny, after forest fires, floods, drought. They actually take action? Great. But then come the stupid give-backs to the other side of the argument (which has zero scientific credibility). "Oh we'll also spend $45 billion on the TMX pipeline; we'll also keep approving oil and LNG projects; oh we'll make an exemption for heating oil but only for these guys; oh we'll give rebates because people only understand getting a bonus cheque". What the fuck? I don't know exactly how much carbon taxes take in for them, but anyone can see that shelling out $45 or 50 billion to emission-creating industries just makes it ineffective.
The policy would be much clearer and 100% winnable if they just acted consistently and did not pussy out at the first sign of pushback. Guys like Guilbeault have the balls to do the right thing, but he's more abrasive because he is not a life-long Liberal; they recuited him, but then they always hang the guy out to dry (like with Jody Wilson Raybould). There is no "nice" way to take on snakes like Scott Moe or kooks like Danielle Smith, but Guilbeault is charging those enemy trenches basically alone. He might win a Victoria Cross for political bravery, but posthumously thanks to a PMO that's either too dumb or too timid to explain how carbon taxes actually work.
Same goes for the guns issue - the ONLY crime-related issue on which the Liberals had any credibility. They announce an assault weapon ban and a pistol ban, but once again, they let the disinfomation guys tell lies about it, they do not understand their own policy enough to counter-argue effectively, so then under pressure, they pussied out. Once again, god forbif you actually do something effective - your own PM and his staffers will undermine you with their mealy mouthed narratives that play into enemy hands.
Same goes on the military procurement issues, where the problem is not what they decide, but that they do not really decide anything for years, and even then might reverse it unexpectedly, while the expense just goes up and the world or war keeps changing. Not that their decisions are in the end any worse than their Con predecessors, but the dithering makes it seem like the system is deciding procurements for them, not the other way around.
Do not even get me started on how they promised electoral reform, said they would get rid of First Past The Post and actually had the power to do so, and then dithered the idea right into the grave. Now we're stuck with a system that forces politics to be worse than it ever needs to be, and (the way things are going) is going to be the demise of their party as some rat-faced scumbag laughs his way into absolute power which he does not deserve. It was an unforgivable fuck-up by the Liberals, and I guess they reap what they sow, but why does all of Canada have to reap it with them? We're the ones who need an electoral system that actually works, not the well-connected wankers who succeed at the dirty way politics are now.
Honestly, for all of Polly- Fuckhead's useless rage-farming noise about the Carbon Tax, the real weakness for the Liberals has always been the issue of crime. Every time the courts or prisons fuck up and a criminal goes free, every time junkies take over a city park or "randomly" attack people, it falls heaviest on them, because they like to be the average between the NDP which protects the street criminals too much and the Conservatives who protect the high-up criminals too much. They will never touch that sheltered little world of the legal elite, or dare utter the words that the Charter is being over-stretched by special interests to the point of absurdity. Justice? On the streets, the people know justice is dead & gone. That is the thing quietly pissing everyone off, costing every honest person money, making them feel like they do not matter. A smart conservative leader would focus on that issue, and never mind the oil-funded conspiracy loon stuff.
But no - we have to get offered an alternative that's even worse than the guy people want to get rid of. They'll hold their nose and give that miserable shitlord a chance, and after he spends a few years raping Canada until it's in a coma, then the Canadian people will go "oopsie, I guess he was full of shit the whole time!" .
It takes a special kind of person to be wrong about basically everything.
Your PDS (Poilievre Derangement Syndrome) has got you bad.
It's a tough one...good luck.
