2024 Canadian Political Thread

[Drjohn]

if the price difference between carbox tax vs no carbon tax made no difference to sales then these companies would've been charging the higher price themselves, instead of charging the lower price and missing out on profits. There's plenty of basic economics videos on youtube, I suggest you watch them.

you realize that the rebates don't cover the ENTIRE cost of the gas, just the portion of the carbon tax right? of course what you pay to heat your home will be more than the rebate.

The carbon tax in Canada is one big Three Card Monte circle jerk.

It his having almost zero effect on global emissions.

Let's put a big tax on gasoline and then turn around and give people back part of what we took from them.

In the meantime, the money goes into general revenue.

During that time it gets wasted in a thousand different ways.

It gets used to hire more and more civil servants who do less and less work.

It gets used to fly to climate conferences where a lot of people discuss the "climate crisis" while they suck back lots of steak and lobster.

Fortunately, people are starting to see through this and time is running out for the eco clown crowd.

By the time the next election rolls around, we can say goodbye to the carbon tax.

There's going to be a lot of butt hurt earth firsters.

Boo hoo!

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

The carbon tax in Canada is one big Three Card Monte circle jerk.

It his having almost zero effect on global emissions.

Let's put a big tax on gasoline and then turn around and give people back part of what we took from them.

In the meantime, the money goes into general revenue.

During that time it gets wasted in a thousand different ways.

It gets used to hire more and more civil servants who do less and less work.

It gets used to fly to climate conferences where a lot of people discuss the "climate crisis" while they suck back lots of steak and lobster.

Fortunately, people are starting to see through this and time is running out for the eco clown crowd.

By the time the next election rolls around, we can say goodbye to the carbon tax.

There's going to be a lot of butt hurt earth firsters.

Boo hoo!

Administrative overburden is a major source of cost overruns and inefficiency, we’re screwed.

 

[Crookedmember]

This is what the carbon levy does to large polluters. It forces them to find clean ways to power their projects.

This is why economists say our anti-carbon-levy right wing friends are ridiculous and absurd and spouting nonsense.

https://www.mining.com/rio-tinto-to-build-canadas-largest-solar-plant-to-power-diavik-mine/

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

This is what the carbon levy does to large polluters. It forces them to find clean ways to power their projects.

This is why economists say our anti-carbon-levy right wing friends are ridiculous and absurd and spouting nonsense.

https://www.mining.com/rio-tinto-to-build-canadas-largest-solar-plant-to-power-diavik-mine/

What is stupid is the government hands these guys the money to decarbonize, which we pay for, they should use their own money.

https://www.mining.com/web/rio-tinto-gets-13-million-from-canada-to-decarbonize-iron-ore-processing/

 

[overdone]

if the price difference between carbox tax vs no carbon tax made no difference to sales then these companies would've been charging the higher price themselves, instead of charging the lower price and missing out on profits. There's plenty of basic economics videos on youtube, I suggest you watch them.

you realize that the rebates don't cover the ENTIRE cost of the gas, just the portion of the carbon tax right? of course what you pay to heat your home will be more than the rebate.

go figure out how much an average home uses, NG, then the tax on that alone, then add up the tax on gas/diesel, then factor in all the other products you use/buy, the tax that was included in the price of those, then the GST on all that Carbon tax

the Carbon tax itself is more than you will ever get back in a rebate

ffs, what part of if you get back more than you pay

YOU WILL NEVER CHANGE YOUR BEHAVIOUR, THE WHOLE POINT OF IT

WHY WOULD YOU CHANGE, WHEN IT'S NOT COSTING YOU ANYTHING?

MORE IMPORTANTLY

WHILE YOU'RE SPITTING IN THE POOL, 2 COUNTRIES, CHINA/INDIA WHICH OUTNUMBER US BY A FACTOR OF 75 TO 1

WHO HAVE ALREADY STATED THEY WON'T STOP UNTIL THEY'RE AS RICH AS WESTERNERS, WHICH MEANS EMISSIONS

THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE TOP 5, CHINA IS TOPS

CHINA USES THE BIGGEST POLLUTANT MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE COMBINED

COAL

THEY'RE SHITTING IN THE POOL

WHICH IS REACHING THE SHALLOW END YOU'RE IN

AND YOU THINK BANKRUPTING CANADIANS IS GOING TO HELP?

THE ONLY REAL SOLUTION IS TO CULL THE HERD, MOSTLY IN 2 COUNTRIES OR KEEP THEM POOR

WAIT TILL AFRICA EVER GETS GOING, GO LOOK AT A LIGHT POLLUTION MAP AT NIGHT THERE, COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE WORLD

THEY'RE AT 1.2 BILLION, EXPECTED TO DOUBLE, CAUSE THEY'RE ALL STARVING REMEMBER


THE TEC ISN'T THERE YET, IT'S DECADES AWAY

FACTS, OIL/GAS ISN'T GOING AWAY ANYTIME SOON




just saw the idiot Liberals in Question period

Cons are going to stop giving a rebate to people if they get rid of the tax, terrible, bad Cons


that's the argument, take money from someone, a tax, then stop taxing them so they don't have to pay it

then cry that the Liberals won't be able to delude them that they are better off when paying a tax, rather than having it in their pocket in the first place

to do with what they decide

little wonder why people are joining groups on the internet to get together to figure out

what dumpsters to dive into for scraps of food

or the 200,000 who are begging on go fund me to pay for basics

 

[overdone]

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/british-columbians-offensive

these are the same type who think a carbon tax is the solution, haha

 

[Crookedmember]

When government makes policy, should they base said policy on peer-reviewed research by scientists and economists . . .

or should they base policy on the unhinged rants of folks with high school educations who watch FOX News all day while sharing memes on Facebook?


This ain't rocket science. It's not a trick question.

 

[Drjohn]

When government makes policy, should they base said policy on peer-reviewed research by scientists and economists . . .

or should they base policy on the unhinged rants of folks with high school educations who watch FOX News all day while sharing memes on Facebook?


This ain't rocket science. It's not a trick question.

How much has the carbon tax on gasoline reduced GHG emissions in Canada?

What is the effect on global levels?

What is the baseline?

I know current "goals" aren't being met.

Where is the simple cost benefit analysis?

I can answer that, there isn't one.

I think pollution is bad. I think waste is bad.

I think flushing tax dollars down the drain is just as bad.

I don't watch Fox News and I'm not far right neo Nazi. I'm not on Facebook or Twitter.

It's not rocket science or a trick question.

It's just common sense.

The few people that still support the carbon tax are now the "fringe minority".

Ironic

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

Canada should export all the gas and oil possible to get rid of its debt, clamping down on the oil industry here won’t make a lick of difference globally it will just be replaced by a dirtier product from somewhere else. It’s a very uneven playing field out there and we are on the losing end, our environment minister needs to go, he’s an econazi who’s policies are hurting our country.

 

[richboy93]

When government makes policy, should they base said policy on peer-reviewed research by scientists and economists . . .

or should they base policy on the unhinged rants of folks with high school educations who watch FOX News all day while sharing memes on Facebook?


This ain't rocket science. It's not a trick question.

Don't bother. Those with unhinged rants don't listen to reason, otherwise where would the unhinged rants originate?

 

[80watts]

Lets take a look at what Canada spends it money on. A more detail budget.
https://www.canada.ca/en/treasury-b...timates/2023-24-estimates/main-estimates.html
Some highlights:
Department of National Defence: 26.5 Billion
RCMP 4.1 Billion
Shared Services 2.6 Billion
Via Rail 1.2 Billion
Crown Indigenious Rel/Northern Affairs 9.1 Billion
Fisheries 4.1 Billion
Health 4.1 Billion
Foreign Affairs/Trade 7.6 Billion
Dept of Indigeneous Services 39.6 Billion
Dept of Industry 5.9 Billion

If you check this list Its a little more clearer to see:
https://www.canada.ca/en/treasury-b...an-main-estimates/2023-24-estimates.html#toc5

Dept of Finance 128.9 Billion (Canada Health Transfer 50 B, Interest 33 Billion, Fiscal equalization 23.9 B)
Employment & Social Services 94.1 Billion (Pensions 78 Billion) as more and more people reach the age of 67 this will increase. All Baby Boomers will retire in 11 years.
Office of Infrastructure 9.6 Billion
Treasury Board 14 Billion

So you need a lot more money coming in. The Budget is set at 432 Billion.
Also any government must decide on it goals, on what to spend money on.

I don't see much decrease in taxes, in fact I think the GST will increase to 5.5 or 6%.
The prime rate in Canada is over 7%, it will in the summer time supposed to be decreased.

One thing about rebates. The Government charges the tax, holds the money and then gives you a % back. Nice Scam if you want to call it that.

But not to worry the government will be cutting back on some budgets.

 

[80watts]

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2021/as-sa/98-200-X/2021003/98-200-X2021003-eng.cfm
Canada age stats.
Wondering why immigration is so important to Canada? Look at the stats.

 

[Moan For Me]

i think the new meme for Canada will be once JT is finally lifted out office to make Canada respectable again, like how many ethics scandals need to take place first. His rhetoric is so pathetic at this point. Nothing is ever his fault. If something is overlooked, like inviting a Ukrainian Nazi to get a standing ovation in the HOC we need to sack the speaker. He invited him. Nothing to see here. Arrive Can scam? LOL the guy he paid 8M to was a member of PPC for election. Nothing this asshole says makes any fucking sense. Sack the Albertans energy sector because we gotta save the planet. Your 50cents a litre in carbon tax is going to save us. Whilst feminists scream murder yet i don’t see a single protest against Saudi Arabia. But thanks to bill C-36 i just committed $20K in fines and maybe life in prison. Wake up people. Stephen Harper is a wet dream at this point.

 

[Moan For Me]

if the price difference between carbox tax vs no carbon tax made no difference to sales then these companies would've been charging the higher price themselves, instead of charging the lower price and missing out on profits. There's plenty of basic economics videos on youtube, I suggest you watch them.

you realize that the rebates don't cover the ENTIRE cost of the gas, just the portion of the carbon tax right? of course what you pay to heat your home will be more than the rebate.

sure but the great and honourable pretty boy claims the rebates are higher than the costs paid. so why charge it in the first place? if i pay $1000 but get $1200 back, seems pretty stupid doesn’t it? Oops we live in BC. No rebate.

then it gets tricky. Instead of carbon tax being added at the end, as a separate charge no, it’s infiltrated as a “service” so it’s again then taxed on tax with the HST.

 

[overdone]

One thing about rebates. The Government charges the tax, holds the money and then gives you a % back. Nice Scam if you want to call it that.

exactly, look at what they done with the carbon tax and the Workers Benefit

a couple of years ago, you got it back right when you filed taxes, on the spot

now, you're being given it, if you do, after, months

to pretend they're "helping" you out, by giving you back some pennies after raping you

same with your actual taxes, they hang on to your money for months, over taxing most, cause they already know what you make are going to make in most cases

yet still take more, then give people a "tax" return, while they make money off you

time value of money, your dollar isn't worth what it was a year ago, specially with the Turds inflation


IF THEY GOT RID OF ALL THE LOOPHOLES, BULLSHIT, RAISED THE PERSONAL AMOUNT TO 24-30G'S, ONE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES WITHOUT THE BULLSHIT

Wake up people. Stephen Harper is a wet dream at this point.

haha, what were the odds you would have said that 8 yrs ago, hahaha

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2021/as-sa/98-200-X/2021003/98-200-X2021003-eng.cfm
Canada age stats.
Wondering why immigration is so important to Canada? Look at the stats.

it's a lie we've been sold, just like the rest of the western world

all of whom aren't flourishing economically, all are in debt, all have an Islamist problem, immigration problem

some immigration is fine, needed, helpful, some, selective, not open borders

important, no, to the woke politicians, the money hungry politicians who want more people to tax, sure

but if it was the cure, it would have taken by now, it hasn't taken anywhere

exponential math, diminishing returns, applies to people too

no one wants to do the math, cause if you do, you're a racist

we're now economically lower than the Hillbilly U.S. states in GDP per person

we used to be close, almost equal, till the Turd opened the borders to anyone and everyone at unprecedented levels

FOR OUR OWN GOOD

HOW GOOD ARE YOU FELLING? HOW GOOD DO THINGS LOOK ON THE STREETS OF THE MAJOR CITIES?

HOW DOES THE LINE AT THE FOOD BANK LOOK?

HOW DOES YOUR MORTGAGE PAYMENT LOOK?

RENT?

GROCERY BILL?

GAS BILL?

NG BILL?

YEAH, WONDER WHY WE NEED MORE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF INNOVATION, TAX POLICIES TO ENCOURAGE INVESTMENT, A BIRTH RATE OF 2, LOWER TAXES, LESS BUREAUCRACY/ 25% LESS BUREAUCRATS THAT THE TURD HIRED FOR NO REAL VALUE

WHY INDEED

KEEP BELIEVING IT WHEN REALITY SHOWS IT NOT TO BE WORKING

 

[Drjohn]

Don't bother. Those with unhinged rants don't listen to reason, otherwise where would the unhinged rants originate?

At least we got a good deal on that ArriveCan app.

Sixty million give or take.

Nobody asked for it and it didn't work very well.

I do understand that it probably saved millions of lives so...that's something.

 

[Crookedmember]

"Nobody asked for it and it didn't work very well."

Tell me you never travel anywhere without telling me you never travel anywhere.

"Sixty million give or take."

The Harper/Poilievre regime spent more than that on gazebos and fake lakes.

 

[Crookedmember]

Canada should export all the gas and oil possible to get rid of its debt, clamping down on the oil industry here won’t make a lick of difference globally it will just be replaced by a dirtier product from somewhere else. It’s a very uneven playing field out there and we are on the losing end, our environment minister needs to go, he’s an econazi who’s policies are hurting our country.

You misunderstand the oil industry in Canada.

The federal government receives virtually none of the revenue from oil and gas, so it obviously can't use it to "get rid of the debt."

The Alberta government receives some of the revenue through royalties, but even Alberta has managed to run up $80 billion of accumulated debt.

Alberta governments--conservative for almost the entire history of the province--gave away most of the province's oil and gas assets to foreigners.

Thus, 75% of oil and gas revenues flow to owners and shareholders outside of Canada--mostly the USA.

Alberta could be rolling in dough. Unfortunately, Albertans tend to vote for morons who couldn't run peanut stands. AKA conservatives.

But yeah, tell me again how bad Trudeau is.

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

You misunderstand the oil industry in Canada.

The federal government receives virtually none of the revenue from oil and gas, so it obviously can't use it to "get rid of the debt."

The Alberta government receives some of the revenue through royalties, but even Alberta has managed to run up $80 billion of accumulated debt.

Alberta governments--conservative for almost the entire history of the province--gave away most of the province's oil and gas assets to foreigners.

Thus, 75% of oil and gas revenues flow to owners and shareholders outside of Canada--mostly the USA.

Alberta could be rolling in dough. Unfortunately, Albertans tend to vote for morons who couldn't run peanut stands. AKA conservatives.

But yeah, tell me again how bad Trudeau is.

The govt can easily apply an export tax on new oil revenues and develop Canadian self sufficiency in oil production, it’s ridiculous to be importing Saudi oil when we have our own supply. This environment minister is a fool who has no business pulling the strings, we are a cold weather country and gas should always be a priority for our own use. These morons will be gone in the next election and it’s long overdue.

 

[Drjohn]

You misunderstand the oil industry in Canada.

The federal government receives virtually none of the revenue from oil and gas, so it obviously can't use it to "get rid of the debt."

The Alberta government receives some of the revenue through royalties, but even Alberta has managed to run up $80 billion of accumulated debt.

Alberta governments--conservative for almost the entire history of the province--gave away most of the province's oil and gas assets to foreigners.

Thus, 75% of oil and gas revenues flow to owners and shareholders outside of Canada--mostly the USA.

Alberta could be rolling in dough. Unfortunately, Albertans tend to vote for morons who couldn't run peanut stands. AKA conservatives.

But yeah, tell me again how bad Trudeau is.

Trudeau is really bad.

I think there's a pretty good consensus.

I guess you're part of the fringe minority.