16 Years Ago Today

[Hugh Jass]

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Interesting that from documents recently released it appears possible that members of the Saudi government did some prescouting of airplane security procedures for the terrrorists

http://nypost.com/2017/09/09/saudi-government-allegedly-funded-a-dry-run-for-911/

 

[VanessainVictoria]

Heart wrenching

 

[VanessainVictoria]

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Interesting that from documents recently released it appears possible that members of the Saudi government did some prescouting of airplane security procedures for the terrrorists

http://nypost.com/2017/09/09/saudi-government-allegedly-funded-a-dry-run-for-911/

I like how they edited that. Its interesting that they don't even use the "T" word (terrorist) until almost 6 minutes in. Still tough to watch.

 

[italian233]

This day is one of those I remember almost everything I did. The images are so horrifying its to hard not to forgot. I can only imagine what the families who lost loved ones that day and or witnessed the attacks in New York and Washington go through at this time.

 

[Hugh Jass]

I like how they edited that. Its interesting that they don't even use the "T" word (terrorist) until almost 6 minutes in. Still tough to watch.

It wasnt really part of the vocabulary yet.

 

[johnsmit]

It strange 16 yrs ago when I saw it on my computer at 630 in the morning, I tjought it was a new movie trailer.
And still find it hard to beleave that the two towers came down.
But yeah they did , the stock market toke a dive and any company that was just hype like Nortal, Enron.. Rim..and dozens of others were on there way out.And world was never the same after.

 

[storm rider]

It changed the world as we know it....even sicker are the conspiracy idiots that say the USA did this to itself....crashed passenger planes into biggest bastion of Capitalism....destroyed the home of the NYSE as well as attacking the Pentagon.....just to justify invading Iraq.....yeah I dont think so.

Glad there were no terrorist events today......given the work by homeland security agencies for something like what happened on 9/11 I dont think it will happen again....I hope I am right.

A lot of people lost their lives on this day 16 years ago through direct actions.....and a lot of people had their lives cut short responding to it trying to help them.

Anybody that says that the the USA perpetrated this act via conspiracy theory deserves to be wacked upside the head with a frozen salmon.

SR

 

[sevenofnine]

the world stopped that day for sure,
fuck it was an amazing thing, in a bad, way, fucking shit heads.

I watched a documentary, I don't even remember the name or where but this math genius guy, was using meta data before they were even calling it meta data
working for the nsa, he had this programme analyzing the data, thin thread I think it was called.

they shut him down something like a month or so before 9-11
he said his programme predicted it, and they could have stopped it quarantined

not sure how much sour grapes this guy had, if he was just belly aching because eventually he was out of a job.
but his story highlights how inefficient government agencies are, how wasteful they are,

the company that replaced him was into the nsa budget for billions, all ex cronies of the nsa naturally
and his budget was 100 million

if I remember the FBI said they dropped the ball too.

 

[take8easy]

My first thought was you reap what you sow. The good old US of A had spent a century or more bringing war and devastation to a good part of the world in support of their own economy. It finally came home on a very small scale compared to what they did to Iran, Vietnam, the Caribbean, Central and South America. My second thought was they are going to start another war they can't win but that will make a lot of very wealthy people even wealthier and keep the have nots rallying around the flag.

This is how it works for USA.

You find a country with oil or the one that is strategic in terms of military.
In that country, you fund a group to create an unrest.
You give it arms, Israel joins you. In the meantime, Russia arms the other side. (So both sides are making money by selling arms)
The rebellion group becomes powerful.
Time to brand them terrorists.
US invades the nation. Controls the oil supply and oil field (Iraq). Leaves some army there(peace keeping).
Now US has army presence in another corner of the world.
It has happened over and over again esp during Republicans regime.

Prime example is Taliban. During cold war, US needed a strategic location. They befriended Pakistan, helped Zia Ul Haq overthrow the democratic govt and put Zia Ul Haq in power. Funded Taliban (which in Persian means "seekers" or students in this case). Basically it was a students group that was causing agitation against Russia. So, Taliban got guns and funds so they started to uprise against Russian. Russia's grip on Afghanisatan weakened overtime. Taliban got stronger and started to rule Afghanistan with hardcore fundamentalism. Zia was not needed anymore, so he get killed in a plane crash. Now Taliban are strong so guess what, US attacks Afghanistan again. This time to get rid of Taliban.

You see, the circle goes on and on. First they make money planting a virus and then they make money removing it. While they do that, they are planting it in a region next to the original one.

Benefit to US: Higher gas prices. Arms industry flourishes. Other nations weaken. US stays on top. People's attention stays diverted from other issues.

As much as I feel terrible for people who lost their lives in 9/11 and I admire the cops and firefighters who did an extremely tough job, you would have a hard time winning any sympathy for US on a political level. As you sow, so shall you reap. I truly believe US doesn't mind the trouble though. More turmoil there is, more it benefits US.

 

[resercher]

I

did not even have internet hooked up when this happened
I had really bad time management skills
I decided after Driving to work one morning where I skidded my car almost into an on going train.

Which might have been a fatal crash because I was rushing to work .
that I would give up both listening to the radio and watching TV for a month . Because I was staying up way to late watching TV .

So i got to work and everyone was depressed talking about a plane . I had absolutely no idea what was going on.

I found out from the newspaper later that day . I continued to not watch TV or listening to the radio so I got the information images and so on. about a month later so the thing did not have as much of an emotional impact on

me like it did for most people who where looking at the TV seeing it on the internet watching the thing over and over again .

 

[apl16]

This is how it works for USA.

You find a country with oil or the one that is strategic in terms of military.
In that country, you fund a group to create an unrest.
You give it arms, Israel joins you. In the meantime, Russia arms the other side. (So both sides are making money by selling arms)
The rebellion group becomes powerful.
Time to brand them terrorists.
US invades the nation. Controls the oil supply and oil field (Iraq). Leaves some army there(peace keeping).
Now US has army presence in another corner of the world.
It has happened over and over again esp during Republicans regime.

Prime example is Taliban. During cold war, US needed a strategic location. They befriended Pakistan, helped Zia Ul Haq overthrow the democratic govt and put Zia Ul Haq in power. Funded Taliban (which in Persian means "seekers" or students in this case). Basically it was a students group that was causing agitation against Russia. So, Taliban got guns and funds so they started to uprise against Russian. Russia's grip on Afghanisatan weakened overtime. Taliban got stronger and started to rule Afghanistan with hardcore fundamentalism. Zia was not needed anymore, so he get killed in a plane crash. Now Taliban are strong so guess what, US attacks Afghanistan again. This time to get rid of Taliban.

You see, the circle goes on and on. First they make money planting a virus and then they make money removing it. While they do that, they are planting it in a region next to the original one.

Benefit to US: Higher gas prices. Arms industry flourishes. Other nations weaken. US stays on top. People's attention stays diverted from other issues.

As much as I feel terrible for people who lost their lives in 9/11 and I admire the cops and firefighters who did an extremely tough job, you would have a hard time winning any sympathy for US on a political level. As you sow, so shall you reap. I truly believe US doesn't mind the trouble though. More turmoil there is, more it benefits US.

You have in a nutshell. My first comment was that you reap what you sow.

 

[Claire Monet]

I was in my highschool Economics class that day and we saw the second plane crash live. It was terrifying. I don't even know how my teacher had heard about it but he wheeled in the tv with a ghostly white face and we all watched (except one of my friends who decided to take a nap... it was all so surreal, I guess it didn't register with her how impactful the news was that day).

My uncle worked in one of the towers and he would have been there had his plane from Toronto not been delayed.

 

[Hugh Jass]

My first thought was you reap what you sow. The good old US of A had spent a century or more bringing war and devastation to a good part of the world in support of their own economy. It finally came home on a very small scale compared to what they did to Iran, Vietnam, the Caribbean, Central and South America. My second thought was they are going to start another war they can't win but that will make a lot of very wealthy people even wealthier and keep the have nots rallying around the flag.

Interesting. So in your opinion those people out on the Promenade in Nice, the teenage girls and their parents at the Ariana Grande concert, the gays in the Orlando nightclub, the guests at the Christmas party in San Bernardino...they all reaped what was sown as well?

And what if more locally one day because this is a realistic scenario as there is little or no security..terrorists board a BC ferry with weapons in the trunk of the car, wait until its halfway out through Georgia Straight and then slaughter all the passengers ..... will they have reaped what was sown as well? Could be some of your friends or relatives...even you or god forbid... other PERB members on that ferry.

Are we supposed to be so laden down with guilt for past transgressions that its makes it legitimate for others to do whatever they like to us in return and we cannot object or fight back?

 

[italian233]

My first thought was you reap what you sow. The good old US of A had spent a century or more bringing war and devastation to a good part of the world in support of their own economy. It finally came home on a very small scale compared to what they did to Iran, Vietnam, the Caribbean, Central and South America. My second thought was they are going to start another war they can't win but that will make a lot of very wealthy people even wealthier and keep the have nots rallying around the flag.

Citizens losing their lives because of their countries past or current transgressions still doesn't make it less tragic. All terrorist attacks or government genocides are horrible and should never happen but sadly do. Yes the USA likes to stick their noses everywhere but did you say the same thing towards the UK after the 2005 London bombings? Societies across the world should always come together when it does happen. Whether its simply coming together to comfort each other or in unity to stop these horrors.

 

[Hugh Jass]

Not whatever they like in return. My point is perhaps they are just doing unto others what has been done unto them, and on a far smaller scale. It helps to know why your enemies hate you. Guilt has nothing to do with it.

And exactly what DID we ever do to them? It was basically a group of Saudis from wealthy families..possibly with help from the Saudi government. Not Vietnamese seeking revenge for Agent Orange.

And I guess you're right. Sympathy for the victims of 9/11 is completely overblown...for the men women and children who unluckily happened to be in those airplanes, for the first responders killed in valiant rescue attempts, for those people whose jobs be it as janitors or stockbrokers who happened to be in the towers that morning and their families and friends....completely overblown.

 

[PerbMod]

This is sliding quickly into animosity and sarcasm and political flaming. Closing it down, seems like every year (I have gone back and looked) this happens around this time. At least we didn't get anyone spouting off that it was an inside job this time. Closed.