Is the market for SPs not as lucrative anymore?

rainyday604 said:

10 years ago, it was pretty easy to find independent college aged fit girls on LL for very reasonable prices. Im not talking about absolute 9/10 bombshells but cute GND types who you could imagine playing at your university’s varsity team. It seems that they have pretty much completely disappeared from LL or am i not searching the right way?

You can still find them on Tryst albeit they are usually in late 20s and are charging $800+/hour. Not complaining about them as Ive had some great times with those ladies as well and obviously everyone is free to charge whatever they like - but Im just curious if fewer girls are going into this industry compared to 10 years ago

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Long story short. Cost of living . Our apartments & condos used to cost a fraction of what it does now. Not so attractive to a very young woman new in the business to do .

rainyday604 said:

10 years ago, it was pretty easy to find independent college aged fit girls on LL for very reasonable prices. Im not talking about absolute 9/10 bombshells but cute GND types who you could imagine playing at your university’s varsity team. It seems that they have pretty much completely disappeared from LL or am i not searching the right way?

You can still find them on Tryst albeit they are usually in late 20s and are charging $800+/hour. Not complaining about them as Ive had some great times with those ladies as well and obviously everyone is free to charge whatever they like - but Im just curious if fewer girls are going into this industry compared to 10 years ago

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Two words for you… Only Fans

rainyday604 said:

10 years ago, it was pretty easy to find independent college aged fit girls on LL for very reasonable prices. Im not talking about absolute 9/10 bombshells but cute GND types who you could imagine playing at your university’s varsity team. It seems that they have pretty much completely disappeared from LL or am i not searching the right way?

You can still find them on Tryst albeit they are usually in late 20s and are charging $800+/hour. Not complaining about them as Ive had some great times with those ladies as well and obviously everyone is free to charge whatever they like - but Im just curious if fewer girls are going into this industry compared to 10 years ago

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Long story short. Cost of living . Our apartments & condos used to cost a fraction of what it does now. Not so attractive to a very young woman new in the business to do .

maniacalone said:

Two words for you… Only Fans

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100% , Covid changed a lot , taught a new generation how to make bank without seeing anyone in person 😷

Four years ago. I was seeing absolutely beautiful young White girls. REAL girls. Who actually gave FULL service. I had a Stroke 4 years ago and had to go through Rehabilitation. Now trying to get back into this. But with no luck. The Providers today are complete rip off girls. Full GFE is nowhere to be found. Thanks for letting.

I feel exactly the same 2016-2019 it was amazing, everyone is young, from independent to agency to MPs don’t even need to discover gems they see everywhere, now it’s just not good at all.

jayholi said:

I feel exactly the same 2016-2019 it was amazing, everyone is young, from independent to agency to MPs don’t even need to discover gems they see everywhere, now it’s just not good at all.

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Well said my friend. Thanks for saying this. I appreciate your perspective. You are right about the current state of the sad state of " service" providers.

maniacalone said:

Two words for you… Only Fans

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This was what I thought too, however my conversations with ladies about this suggests a lot more input is required to be profitable on OF.

My observations are that rates are seeming to normalize a bit since we seem to have hit a ceiling in what people will pay but the volume and calibre of new entrants isn't what it was circa 2016-2019 and into 2020.

Sampling the ads off of LL: it's mainly OF scams, ads that model after what one would describe as a back east scam, all the MPs and then the odd gem here and there... so... I dunno?🤷‍♂️ Most of the agencies barely use LL and seem to have shifted to their own advertising, Telegram, and perb.

This business isn’t as lucrative as it was even 2 years ago so not only are there fewer girls getting into this business but many are also leaving and I can see why. . If you don’t have a good amount of regular clients getting new ones is almost no longer worth the effort. . You guys talk about all the scams which I agree there are but what you may not know is the number of no shows, fantasy bookers, address collectors and just straight up f*ck around has dramatically increased to the point that they take up probably 90% of the inquiries and bookings we’re getting these days which can be mentally exhausting and irritating. Plus because of all the scams thoughs of us who are legit are being asked to jump through hoops to prove we’re legit and it’s actually more demanding than asking. . Plus the economy has turned to sh*t so not as many guys booking girls like there was 5-10 years ago.

IvyLane91 said:

This business isn’t as lucrative as it was even 2 years ago so not only are there fewer girls getting into this business but many are also leaving and I can see why. . If you don’t have a good amount of regular clients getting new ones is almost no longer worth the effort. . You guys talk about all the scams which I agree there are but what you may not know is the number of no shows, fantasy bookers, address collectors and just straight up f*ck around has dramatically increased to the point that they take up probably 90% of the inquiries and bookings we’re getting these days which can be mentally exhausting and irritating. Plus because of all the scams thoughs of us who are legit are being asked to jump through hoops to prove we’re legit and it’s actually more demanding than asking. . Plus the economy has turned to sh*t so not as many guys booking girls like there was 5-10 years ago.

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Thanks for the perspective.
Looks like things will get worse before they get better.

Thank you Justin Trudeau and Liberal Party of Canada for all of this...

Kurtis2015 said:

Thank you Justin Trudeau and Liberal Party of Canada for all of this...

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Without going into a long and valid explanation of GDP, declining GDP per person, immigration for more people spend money to hide the recession and then the resulting inflation by way of pressure on rent and services and overwhelming healthcare, which his on civil service warned him about, you win the ”Exactly So” prize.

I don’t get the fomo like many ,

and on top of that I try to keep my hobbying as part of a balanced lifestyle meaning one of many many things in life I enjoy so I frequent far less often than many .

As a result I’ve been seeing mostly the same small handful of ladies for 5+ yrs now and have developed great professional , client / provider business relationships w all of them .
Because of that they never disappoint ( so far Zero bad experiences )

I see just enough sp’s to keep some variety and keep things from becoming too familiar w anyone .
Probably works out to me seeing each one every few months.

Also the fact that I am no longer hung up on younger makes this way easier for me , I’m pretty ok w anyone over 28 but actually prefer not to go below that anymore .

My 2 cents !

It's not only this industry. Any service based industry has been seeing a decline due to changing ecosystems and economics. Consider yourself lucky if you can afford this hobby and find someone who is a match.

There are many sides to this picture.

First, Gone are the days of part time providers or students who work from their home environment a couple of times a month to supplement an income or raise cash for a trip or expense. Some are doing the OF and some are doing sugar babes. But now most providers are more full time based providers who have full expenses that must be incorporated into fees. And as fees for anything increase so do expectations, so sometimes these skewed expectations incorrectly influence how a service is judged.
I personally doubt this type of provider will ever see a resurgence.

Second gone, for the most part, are the street walkers. These ladies were a price check for a lot of providers and hobbyists and the reduction of this source allowed prices to increase with no real system of balance. Along with this the disappearance of the SRO style hourly room rental has forced the hobby into more expensive locals like hotels and Airbnbs.

Next, the proliferation of the internet has vastly impacted this industry. Once a provider entered the business on the lower fee scale and could raise their prices based on the success of their service plan. Now providers can easily see what the market is and scale their fees at a higher established provider rate as soon as they start. There seems to be less of a range of fees that providers charge as in the past. Also the percentage of scams seems to me to be higher. In the past the negative experience was the exception and now that bar has moved closer to it being the norm.
However it is important to note that bad experiences have probably always existed without the ability to be as easily revealed.

This industry has always had ebbs and flows. Right now does seem to be more of a downside for the customer, but hopefully eventually will find a way to rebalance into something more favourable to both provider and client.